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shells and missiles. because this is a very intense artillery war. i think in six months, we will be approaching the finalization of this war. >> reporter: and in the ukrainian viewpoint, the finalization of this war entails 1991 ukrainian borders which includes the retaking of crimea. he was very adamant about that. he was also optimistic about the possibility of more weapons including fighter jets being sent from the united states. he said that currently, the topic of fighter jets are on the negotiating table being actively discussed by d.c. and kyiv and he is confident that ultimately the united states will make the decision to send fighter jets to ukraine, which ukrainian leadership sees as necessary to win this war. >> erin, thank you very much. and joining me now is state
purpose of having tanks for an armoured force, really an armoured fist they can be used to penetrate these russian defences that have been constructed over the past couple months and that will be necessary to help isolate crimea from the rest of russia and from russian occupied ukraine. crimea is the decisive terrain. ukraine would never be safe and able to rebuild its economy as long as russia occupies crimea. so this land force will be important to help isolate crimea. , ., will be important to help isolate crimea. , . , . crimea. understand the significance a little further, _ crimea. understand the significance a little further, tell _ crimea. understand the significance a little further, tell some _ crimea. understand the significance a little further, tell some of - crimea. understand the significance a little further, tell some of the - a little further, tell some of the practicalities even with this tank, doesn't ukraine need better air cover to achieve the goals you are talking about?— talking about? you're making the urade talking about? you're making the grade point- _ talking about? you're making the grade point. none _ talking about? you're making the grade point. none of— talking about? you're making the grade point. none of these - talking about? you're making the| grade point. none of these things are a silver bullet by themselves.
will only be complete when all of ukraine's territory is returned, including all of the donbas and crimea? do you think that's a realistic goal and do you think it's a helpful goal as you try to find peace? a helpful goal as you try to find eace? �* , , , ., a helpful goal as you try to find -�*eace? , , ., _ peace? i'm sure this is a realistic coal but peace? i'm sure this is a realistic goal but it _ peace? i'm sure this is a realistic goal but it is _ peace? i'm sure this is a realistic goal but it is not _ peace? i'm sure this is a realistic goal but it is not enough. - peace? i'm sure this is a realistic goal but it is not enough. the - goal but it is not enough. the kremlin should understand to pay the price and they should understand that they can't afford this behavior. they can't be aggressive, they can't attack their neighbours when they want. it's not enough just to push back russians. because they will remain in their attempts to capture ukrainian territories, georgia, mall deauville, belarus and other countries. —— mall deauville.
whatever platform it is, there is no one weapon system and the most that we know from our own history is the most effective way to fight is in the combined team we have infantry, artillery, engineers and tanks, supported by airpower that will help clear the way and keep the enemy away from you as they are advancing. and of course, this isn'tjust for the platforms, you have to practice this and this might ukraine and general staff is working on over the next two or three months, training, practising how to co—ordinate this. let's talk about the strategic significance of crimea that you referenced in your second answer. help me understand why that is not such a focus for you given russia and next in 2014 for a number of years, there was no possibility of military action supported by the west? ~ , .,
military action supported by the west? . y., military action supported by the west? ~ i. ., military action supported by the west? ~ ., ., , west? when you look at the map, crimea is in _ west? when you look at the map, crimea is in a _ west? when you look at the map, crimea is in a place _ west? when you look at the map, crimea is in a place from - west? when you look at the map, crimea is in a place from which . west? when you look at the map, | crimea is in a place from which the russian navy, if the russians still occupy crimea, they could continue to disrupt any commerce coming in and out of 0desa or in and out of the mouth of the river. if they're still occupy crimea, they'll continue to block access and they had agreed to share with ukraine years ago and so, because of russia occupying crimea, ukraine economy would never be able to export with any sort of confidence and other ships would be reluctant to go in there. and that is a big problem from an economic standpoint and then of course, if they retain crimea, they will be in a position a couple of years from now where the west is lost interest in this area and the launch a new offensive into ukraine and finally, once this, what is this word about? it's about respect for
should be — russian military actions will be, should be perceived as the direction of those _ should be perceived as the direction of those territories which are all russian — of those territories which are all russian. . . of those territories which are all russian. , , ., russian. help us out with the psychology _ russian. help us out with the psychology of _ russian. help us out with the psychology of vladimir - russian. help us out with the psychology of vladimir putin l russian. help us out with the - psychology of vladimir putin here as well by annexing these territories, well by annexing these territories, we can see them all lined up, the leaders of those waiting for vladimir putin, by doing this is us an attempt to push for a ceasefire for a position of strength, to try and get the international community to accept this and then have years and years of simmering tensions on the new border of the russian federation with ukraine, such as we saw for example after the annexation of crimea in 2014 with donetsk and luhansk? . ~ of crimea in 2014 with donetsk and luhansk? , ,, . of crimea in 2014 with donetsk and luhansk? , ~ . , luhansk? yes, i think what we see now is an attempt _ luhansk? yes, i think what we see now is an attempt by _ luhansk? yes, i think what we see now is an attempt by russian - now is an attempt by russian government to start long—term occupation. the fact that those
russia and its people. this is not a bluff. a strongly worded speech from vladimir putin who, as we know, is currently facing extreme losses on the battlefield in terms of territory and personnel. >> claire, the other big issue is the plan to hold referenda in russian occupied territories of ukraine, this weekend, in an effort to join russia, a move which, of course, has the u.s. and europe on edge. what will be the consequences of this? >> that appears to have been the trigger, in some ways, for this speech. president putin says he supports the decisions of this region, which make up the donbas, and to others, the zaporizhzhia region and curzon in the south. we can see that russia's goal of taking the donbas has expanded to wrap around the southern coast of ukraine, as well. these votes are likely to be free and fair if you take into account the president of crimea in the context of this is a war, but could provide cover for russia to claim that this is now war footing, ukraine is
perspective, anastasia, on the false flag operations that president biden and other western allies have accused russia's vladimir putin in trying to corrupt. how do you believe that is to justify the war in ukraine? >> you know, there are russian people and there are russian people. it's a big country with millions of people, so there are definitely -- there is a contingency that watches the russian tv and the propaganda that's been pumped in them 24/7, now several years ever since anti-ukrainians with propaganda and the annex of crimea. that segment is really buying into what they're being fed but i also believe that there is a large group of russians that
they're making people, you know, say some horrific things in order to be able to get food or drinks. it's -- you know, it's -- it's psychological terror that they're imposing over there. so all of that, that was my main concern, that even if me and my family managed to stay alive and, you know, healthy, the living conditions, the things that we would need to face, that was something that i just couldn't, you know, let happen to myself and my family. >> the thing we've got to keep remembering is, you know, war really began here back in 2014 with the annexing of crimea, then what followed after that. your home city of odesa, it's close to crimea. did life change for you after 2014 in terms of did you think that you might be next, that
is calling the reunification of crimea. translation: to liberate people who started in donbas an ukraine and this is the main objective. i ukraine and this is the main objective-— ukraine and this is the main objective. ukraine and this is the main ob'ective. , , ., , objective. i remember these words from the bible. _ objective. i remember these words from the bible. there _ objective. i remember these words from the bible. there is _ objective. i remember these words from the bible. there is no - objective. i remember these words from the bible. there is no other. from the bible. there is no other love rather than someone gives the soul for their friends words from the scriptures. and we are seeing the heroic deeds of our guys in this operation. heroic deeds of our guys in this operation-— heroic deeds of our guys in this 0 eration. . ., ~ heroic deeds of our guys in this 0 eration. . ., ,, ., operation. vladimir putin talking at the rall in operation. vladimir putin talking at the rally in moscow _