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to use that information if they could possibly hurt their business later on down the line. we talked to congressman thornberry and he was saying that he preferred incentives over top-down regulation. do you agree? >> guest: i think it has to be a combination of the two. certainly we have to have better and stronger regulation was just incentives won't accomplish what we need to accomplish. but where we can collaborate and encourage incentives we should certainly do that. >> guest: another problem that you have identified is a shortage of trained professionals, who can deal with this ...

and there was a kind of backlash against the misconception -- because it really was a misconception of uncle tom -- there was a backlash against that on the part of these naturalistic writers who had a darker view and an angrier view, a more militant view of what african-american, and the way african-americans should rebel against culture. .. denies humanity and does exactly the opposite. it doesn't deny humanity at all. to me, it affirms humanity. and life, very, very angry. james baldwin because of that. but by that time ago tom had entered the vocabulary of people. that is how he ...