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Says we understand what's at stake here. we understand that the congress has legitimate oversight -- oversight function. and the president's way out of line. and then the question you're asking is, what -- is it possible the president will just say, we don't care? >> take me to court. he just did. >> take me to jail. those questions now pop up. we hear it's a similar question to the what happens if trump loses and refuses to leave office? you know, all those things which are, i don't think, unreasonable questions given the president's -- the way to which the president's thumbed his nose to the...

Primary, ted cruz, marco rubio. both are here in the senate. cruz on this panel with an oversight function and senator graham himself. he made self effacing remarks that he wasn't seen as a big enough candidate to wind up in the texts. i wonder if you could walk our viewers through the politics that hangs overall of this with candidates who lost to donald trump, who are now trying to defend him and as you say are trying to carry water for a view of a quote, unquote, witch hunt even on the day of the testimony of the person who debunked it. >> there's such a split screen, including ted cruz, be...

Privilege. so this is just another step in this chess game that's going on. this procedural chess game. it's going to end up in litigation. they're already saying they're going to appeal. going to be a stay and where it's headed. >> a bigger issue. hard to imagine a more significant wound than alleged interference with congress' ability to detect and deter abuses of power within the executive branch for protection of the people of the united states. i mean, if this ruling were to be overturned, what would this mean for the balance of power in government in the united states of america? >> i th...

Making up laws like executive privilege to really try to avoid proper oversight function. so i actually think i heard you say mick mulvaney put out a statement he's going to refuse to compile and listen to trump if trump continues to say don't testify. i have to tell you, that couldn't be a more squarely unlawful act and it is in contempt of what a federal court judge just said with respect to the law. so i think these people now are really putting themselves in harm's way. >> what does this do, mika, to democratic strategy now? adam schiff said the investigative work tonights. we're learning ...

Help them kick out the russians who invaded their country. >> yes, 100%. >> dana: yet, what the democrats are saying is that might be true, but it still doesn't negate the fact in their minds that the president broke the law because he was engaging in bribery. how do you see that? the president said the phone call was perfect. do you think the phone call was perfect and if not, do you think that it rises to an impeachable offense to the point that they are bringing the country to a standstill congressionally? >> i don't think the phone call was perfect, i don't think there was any evidence tha...