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when this abusive justice department gets people in a perjury trap, they got nothing to go on, but if we can get you in and get you to testify, then we can prosecute you if you make a mistake while you're testifying. it was very very reasonable not to come answer the subpoenas when you couldn't have an agency lawyer and there's no negotiation with the other side. i yield back. >> the gentleman yields back. what purpose do you ask for recognition? >> to strike the last word. >> we've seen a stark contrast between the patriots who stood up to tell the truth and those who have turned a blind eye to the truth. so tonight, to those patriots, i want to lift you up. i want to tell you, thank you. i am in awe of you. i'm in awe of your courage to uphold your oath at great personal sacrifice. and professional cost.
when this abusive justice department gets people in a perjury trap, they've got nothing to go on but if we can get you in and get you to testify, we can prosecute you if you make a mistake while you're testifying. it was very reasonable not to come answer the subpoenas when you could have an agency lawyer and there's no negotiation on the other side, i yield back. >> for what purpose does ms. dean seek recognition? >> strike the last word. >> throughout the course of this investigation we've seen a stark contrast between the patriots who have stood up to tell the truth and those who have turned a blind eye to the truth. tonight, to those patriots i want to lift you up. i want to tell you thank you. i am in awe of you. i'm in awe of your courage -- patriots like lieutenant colonel
when this abusive justice department gets people in a perjury trap. they got nothing to go on, but if we can get you in and get you to testify, then we can prosecute you if you make a mistake while you're testifying. it was very, very reasonable not to come answer the subpoenas when you couldn't have an agency lawyer and there's no negotiation with the other side. i yield back. >> gentleman yields back. for what purpose does mrs. dean seek recognition? >> to strike the last word. we've seen a stark contrast between the patriots who have stood up to tell the truth and those who have turned a blind eye to the truth. tonight to those patriots i want to lift you up. i want to tell you thank you. i am in awe of you. i'm in awe of your courage to uphold your oath at great personal sacrifice and professional cost. patriots like lieutenant colonel
slandered, used by people for the purpose of getting at donald trump? >> that isnd who they were realy looking to get. >> sean: otherwise you would be in jail after a year of surveillance, right? >> really, there is tons of perjury trap. that is what they grilled me on. >> sean: let me go to you, sara carter. premeditated fraud, interrogatory, i don't have an idea if it's true, the fbi later said, 90% of it is proven false. they used it anyway, and they were warned repeatedly. how could they ever come up with anything less than premeditated fraud committed on a court to spy on him and take away his rights and to spy on a president, the transition team, and a candidate? >> remember, sean, inspector general michael horowitz is basically going to lay out the facts by the facts that he has collected. he doesn't have the same kind of prove you that john durham will have, especially in a criminal probe or he can subpoena witnesses, impanel a grand jury, look into the issues that we have been reporting on, for example, john durham is now expanding his probe into the pentagon, the office of net
gates who you may remember from several months ago who pleaded guilty and was cooperating against stone. >> this is manafort's number two guy. >> this is manafort's number two guy. when he took the stand, he testified that, in fact, there were communications between trump and stone. the reason that's so significant is if you go back even further, ali, there was a time when the president was giving written answers instead of submitting for testimony or a deposition, the president instead would only agree to give written answers that were curated by his attorneys. >> which was supposed to save him because he could avoid a perjury trap. he wouldn't lie if he had to write it down. >> but even then, observers cautioned that those written answers can be just as dangerous, especially if his lawyers are relying on what he says because those statements, sworn or not, are a crime whether they're perjury or they're false statements, those can be criminal. so now, you connect up the roger stone trial where there's evidence that there may have been communications. and then in those written statements many months ago --
no witness is in more trouble than the impeachment inquiry of gordon sondland who is now less than 11 hours away from testifying tomorrow morning. he will be under more pressure tomorrow morning than any other witness who has yet testified in the impeachment investigation because gordon sondland has to work his way out of a perjury trap that he set for himself. donald trump's million-dollar donor turned first time ambassador, gordon sondland, has already changed his under oath testimony once. tomorrow, he's going to have to change it again. now that we know about his famous cell phone call from a restaurant in ukraine to the president of the united states in which he told president trump that president zelensky was ready to do the investigations that donald trump wants and that president zelensky would do anything that donald trump wants. and i cleaned that up. the transcript of that phone
donald trump was not responsible for this. sondland was doing this kind of on his own as a freelancer. >> what a lesson once again for everybody who thinks, oh, if i just suck up to donald trump long enough, everything will be okay. everything trump touches dies. and he's the one who kills their reputation, and he does it proactively. he does it aggressively, and now it's going to happen to sondland, and it's happening to pompeo. >> and i think the reason why, you know, the speculation yesterday about the possibility he would take the fifth today, which we still don't know he may well do. given what his legal situation is now and his political situation, the conversations between him and his lawyers yesterday musculoskeletal vet h clear. he has a choice, he can either say i'm done with donald trump. i'm now going to implicate him in all of this. i'm going to tell the truth. i'm going to get myself out of the perjury trap i'm in, i'm going to get myself out of bribery charges that i'm
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