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Kilimnick and russian officials. this is a situation where remember collusion is the activity. conspiracy is the crime. that mueller found collusion, but wasn't sure whether it rose to the level of a conspiracy. and one of the things that may have turned out between volume 2 and one. the obstruction may have been sufficient to prevent mueller from discovering the under lying crime here. of conspiracy. >> interesting. interesting. so listen, phil, contradicting the claim of no collusion. indictments of a half dozen trump associations as well as all of the people that have been charged here. whi...

Attack on the political system. they stole private information. and then released that information through fake online and identities. and through the organization wikileaks. the central allegation of the indictment, that there were multiple systemic efforts to interfere in the election. and that allegation deserves the attention of every american. >> discuss now. phil mud is here. the author of the threat matrix. inside the fbi and war on global terror. phil, the president his attorney general keep repeating the lie of no collusion. no obstruction. mueller is laying out damming details about ...

Come out and denounce the president's comments about joe biden, you may find yourself quickly passing out. >> we wouldn't want that to happen on national television. >> look, it just underscores what a stronghold the president still has on the base of his party and that republicans think that it's much better to have him tweeting nasty things about joe biden than have him tweeting nasty things about them, particularly the ones who are up for reelection in 2020. >> lisa lair, phil mud, great to have you. the supreme court has made an important decision involving abortion rights. something to ...

Leaving it up to a partisan congress is risky business. >> and the idea you're subpoenaing someone who is part -- who is a target of an investigation. the department of justice, it's -- i don't know, it seems to me they don't normally do that. >> you don't normally do that. >> would they have done that in this case given he's the target. >> but they did ask written questions? >> they did. very different because it's not under oath. you can't -- >> but if he would have lied in the written answers, that is under oath. >> that was before -- that was -- >> you can't lie to the fbi. >> but that was...

Whether we should prosecute something we think is a little bit questionable. the attorney general said no. there is one final question, wolf, and that is where i think the president has been genius. the question is not simply whether the law was violated in terms of whether people did things that were inappropriate with the russians. the question for the american people is do you think that the activities undertaken by people in the circle of the president of the united states or for a candidate to be the president of the united states, do you think those activities were appropriate? i think i...