all right, that s going to do it for this edition of way too early. morning joe starts right now. good morning! look at that, willie. that is a beautiful view. beautiful day. it s a beautiful day. last couple , not so beautiful. it s thursday, august the 14th. great to have you here with us. along with you, we have got washington anchor for bbc world news america, katty kay and nick consori and then with bloomberg news, al hunt. yesterday, willie, really bad storms out there. did you see some of the pictures? even out here on long island. cars on the highways up to their roofs. looked like a river. it was. yeah, parts of the mid-atlantic and northeast cleaning up and drying out after heavy rains sparked flooding across several states. the hardest appeared to be long island. islip 13.27 inches in under 24 hours and more than a foot in less than a day. more than the region receives in an entire summer. the rainfall shattered previous records and a lot of cars abandoned and a lot of people had to get out and run. bill karins, this was serious business yesterday. epic rains, willie. we tell you record highs and lows. this was all-time records for new york state. we have weather records back in new york to the 1800s and we have never seen in new york state s history this much rain in 24 hours in any single reporting station in the entire state. you re thinking about all of the hurricanes that have occurred. all of the huge storms. the nor easter. this was the most rain ever officially. it did up to 13.57 inches for islip, new york. the old record was set recently with hurricane irene when it went through in tannersville, new york at 17.5 inches. it wasn t new york we saw the flooding. last night at midnight in portland, maine, they were telling people stay off the roads and they were doing water rescues as cars were submerged, especially in the under passes, with 6.5 inches of rain. this went back to detroit with record flooding with over 4 inches. a slow moving storm and a very unusual amount of moisture in the air. the precipitation rates were very high for this storm and very unusual because it wasn t a hurricane or a tropical storm and makes you scratch your head. it wasn t forecasted all that well. we knew it would rain and rain hard but no one was expecting this much rain in this short of a period of time. when it comes down that fast, that hard, you get the pictures like you see there. today, we are much better across the region with that shot at the top of the show. it s a beautiful day out there, it feels like fall almost the next couple of days. if you want to scratch your head for extreme weather events this was one of them over the last couple of days. wild couple of days. bill, get the rest of your frac in a couple of minutes. the fourth straight night, the streets of suburb looked like a battlefield. police in full riot gear and using tear gas to control crowds simmering over the death of 18-year-old michael brown by a police officer there in ferguson, missouri. two reporters in town to cover the store last night detained after police ordered them to leave a local mcdonald s. wesley lowrie and ryan reilly claim they were handcuffed after police said they were not packing up their things to leave quickly enough. lowery caught part of his episode with the cell phone. stop videotaping. please don t do this. let s go. you see me working? please do not tell me not to use my cell phone. let s go. down to about 45 seconds. let s go. reporter: the street let s go. not time to ask questions. move your car if your car is out here. reporter: what i was asking. you didn t have time to ask me. let s go. reporter: i m working, sir. let s go. here is a door over here. let s go. let s go. you can move. let s go. move. reporter: sir, please let s move. let s move. last night, lowery who shot that avoid spoke about what allegedly happened when the camera stopped rolling. tried to direct me toward another door. i said, officers where would you like moo to go? the bag slipped off of my shoulder. officers, i need to adjust my bag and they said let s take him. slammed me into a soda machine and grabbed my bags. reilly said, in part, a s.w.a.t. team just invaded mcdonald s. i was given a countdown. i was told i had, you know, 45 seconds, 30 seconds, to pack up all of my stuff and leave. at which point, the officer in question who i have who i repeatedly asked for his name and was never or his badge number and never given it, decided that he was going to help me pack and he grabbed my things and shoved them into my bag and i was then when i basically, he then arrested me and he handcuff me and put them on tight. he used a finger to put a pressure point on my neck and it was just very difficult experience. willie, i don t know. what do you think? well, okay let me help you out here because i m always the one that gets in trouble. i ll get in trouble here. i ll just say if i saw that video and my son was the one the police arrested after that episode, i said, joey, here is a clue. when the cops tell you the 30th time says let s go, you know what that means, son? it means let s go. i m sorry. you know what? we have got a lot of questions out there. we got people angry in the streets because they won t release this cop name. we don t each know what happened. we have two sides telling something completely conflicting so there is a lot of unanswered questions here. but i do know this. when a police officer asks you to pick up i can only i can only i ve been in places where police officers said, all right you know what? this is cordoned off, you guys need to move along. you know what i do? i go, yes, sir, or yes, ma am. i don t sit there and have a debate and film the police officer unless i want to get on tv and have people talk about me the next day. i am sure i am just the worse person in the world for saying this. i can only judge how i would treat my son who is a reporter who, if he were in this position, okay, well, you know what? next time a police officer tells you that you ve got to move along because you ve got riots outside, well, you probably should move along. maybe i m in the minority. i don t know. i don t see any evidence there were riots outside that mcdonald s. i wasn t at that mcdonald s. i wasn t there either. i don t know why the police officers were there. i know it s bad out there. if you re a reporter setting up shop in a fast food restaurant you re going to have a laptop, a wi-fi card, your phone, your charger. going to take you more than 45 seconds to get it together. he was trying to imply. the question is what was the rush to push them out of there? when he slips basically and drops his briefcase, he gets arrested and pinned. it doesn t make any sense. we don t know how long that is. i don t know why the police were moving them along. listen, i m just concerned by what seems to be this common misperception that it s illegal to avoid a law enforcement officer or take pictures of them. it s not. i don t think it is, but if they are coming in and saying that we re cordoning off this area and they say you have a certain amount of time to do it and, instead, you re putting up a video phone and you re asking some kid with a gun who is 25, 26, 27, didn t make the orders. the only comment i m reluctant to have journalists become the central of the story and seem to have become in this case and something more seriously is happening in ferguson than what happened to these two reporters, but i think for a police force that is trying to show the country that it is capable of exercising restraint, this was not a particularly smart public to do to slam the reporter against the soda fountain and handcuff them. first of all, katty, i think it s a bad idea to look ukrainian guards. paramilitary. i m sitting there going, boy by the way, i m just talking about this one episode. right. and, no, i find it really hard to believe that they couldn t have shown a little more he subtly through this entire process. they were quickly released when they got there and the chief got wind of this and said let these guys go. they were sitting in the cell and the cop came in and said who is the two journalists. let me ask you guys something. am i a sucker for the police saying telling you to move along or should i sit there and question him? by the way, what was he packing up? if he was packing up our entire control room, that s fine. he had a friggin laptop. come on! oh, wait, i m packing up, officer, let me ask you a question. i m sorry. isn t there a broader question? if it happened to these two reporters, it is some indication what is happening to other people in ferguson who are not able to is it? there is accusations of heavy-handedness by police in ferguson amongst the local population. but aren t there accusations on both sides of this story? we hear the story cops bad. we had a police officer come out yesterday. they are calling basically signs holding and people calling for murder charges. and i understand, by the way, for everybody out there, going, joe just blindly know is on one side or the other. you know what? i caught hell what i said about trayvon for months. in this situation, we don t know what happened. we just have absolutely no idea and you ve got people, you know, the cops are trying to protect the identity of this cop and his family until they know exactly what happened. we have, willie, two completely conflicting stories here. one, that the officer was assaulted. they went for the gun. they shoved him back in the car. and the other that this poor young man was just walking down the street and he was gunned down execution style. yeah. what do you do with that? you have a couple of witnesses including his friend who gave the latter version of the story saying he was executed and the police say something. that is the core of this. what happened? we don t know. he was unarmed, we know that. until that, it s not worth of us sitting in new york or washington to debating. we can talk about what we see in the streets in ferguson and what is happening and i haven t been on the ground there looks like a heavy-handed approach by the police there. when you have what have been for the most part peaceful protests. it seems a lot over the top. and i don t understand that side of the story and one side of the story so everybody can take deep breaths at home if you re ready to eat cheetos. you know what? when we talk to bill bratton the other day, you know, what would fix all of this? have police officers wear cameras. absolutely. so we know what is going on. that would do two things. that would stop this from going on. that would stop people from falsely accusing cops and put a chilling effects on cops that use their power to push people around. i m not talking about what goes on in this case. i m talking about what we have all seen with cops across america at times they get a little too much power and they get a little too cocky. it would have a chilling effect on that type of behavior. i guarantee you if cops on staten island were wearing cameras, every one of them, they wouldn t have put that man in a choke-hold and killed him for peddling cigarettes. i agree. i can t think of a single argument left any more to not do this. it seems like good policy and it s good for the officers. and it s good for the people they serve. you know who it s bad for? bad cops. that is who it s bad for. if i m a good cop, i want that. because i want everybody to know what happens. i want to protect myself. i want to protect, in this case, if and we don t know if this cop is innocent, then if he had a camera on, he would be safe, he wouldn t be worried about his family. if he had children, he wouldn t be worried about his children. if you re in a tough call, do you want the only camera on the scene to be a bystander? exactly, with a cell phone. he could be coming in a minute whatever prompted the altercation. what you always hear from police unions and police chiefs and police officers, that shows a little part of it. okay, fine. give us the whole thing. put it on squad cars which we have on a lot of squad cars and put these cameras on cops. it doesn t cost that much. of the only group of people that it hurts are bad cops that abuse their power. there is another issue, with the ferguson police force and i don t know how this is replicated around the country. the fact it is ungrossly represented of the population it is serving. what is it? only three of ferguson police officers are black in a population that is 70% black in that neighborhood? i think that has got to be addressed too. how much effort are they making to diverse their police force and why aren t they hiring a more diverse police force? you re asking for trouble. you really are. its insanity. absurd. look at the pictures of the people in s.w.a.t. uniforms it s white guys in s.w.a.t. uniforms. if you re going to police any streets in any neighborhood, you need the community to be a willing partner. that s what bill bratton talked about in l.a. and what is talking about here. you can t do that if the police force is that grossly unrepresentative. willie good night. should we turn to some politics? i would love to. it was the hug everybody was waiting for last night. can i just say? i wasn t waiting for it. i know. a bit tongue in cheek. i m not much on fake physical contact. we don t have any evidence of it. no, we don t. i think we should have every politician wear a camera! so we know what they are doing and if they hug, we know. that s an idea. so president obama and hillary clinton came face-to-face last night for the first time since a public flap over foreign policy messaging and the debate to arm syrian rebels. they sat at the same table on martha s vineyard at a birthday party. hillary clinton said she was looking forward to making amends early in the day yesterday. hug it out with the president? absolutely! yeah! we are looking forward to it. going to be there tonight. is it a hard choice? no. in the book, we agreed, we are committed to the values and the interests and the security of our country together. we have disagreements as any partners and friends, as we are, might very well have. but i m proud that i serve with him and for him and i m looking forward to seeing him tonight. there you go. just two pals getting together. why is it that whenever we see bill clinton come on, we do and you can t see it, we need to wear a camera so you can see what happens. every time we see bill clinton, we just start laughing because he is just a natural. i love kentucky, you know? and everybody loves him. we were like cringing for her. yeah. after all these years, maybe she has bob dole-itis? maybe she is great in person but it s so canned. it s so calculated. al hunt, you know, hillary, i have made no secret of it. i m not ashamed. i called hillary my girlfriend in 2008. i love her. she is great. most people that talk to her and meet her away from when the cameras aren t turned on, think she is just a wonderful, wonderful person. i mean, some people who have worked for her might not think of her like that but in this case, she still seems so awkward, so stiff and so canned. let s be honest about it, so i insincere. the book could be titled dimple. i love your idea of cameras on politicians. i want to have the exclusive right to bill clinton cameras. oh! oh, my god. a lot of that has to be redacted! we need a seven-minute delay. how many minutes would end up on the floor? joe, you know, this pains me to say, but hillary clinton is having the same kind of season as bryce harper. she is underperforming and it s careless talk. i think it was careless talk in the interview. then the walk-back was almost worse. i just think she s just, whether it s sea legs, whether she is rusty, it s really been a bad several months for her. do i think she is still the favorite for the nomination? of course, she is but i think what is occurring she is pro wall street and pro intervention and says to a number of democrats this is an easy ride to get in a primary and win 35% of the vote. al, do you think as you ve watched the last couple of months this process of going back to be the ringer as she was in the past couple of years and giving book tours and responding to questions has given her any paws about re-entering the arena in a couple of years? willie, i don t know. i think it s a really good question. i doubt it because i think it s almost inevitable she is going, assuming her health is good. but i hope, for cher sake, the lesson she has learned is that she has tond that maybe there is an inner circle doesn t serve her well and think carefully about some of these things. she s a very smart woman. whether it s we were broke when we left the house or this latest, it s been a bad couple of months. al, whatever the calculations about president obama s approval ratings at the moment, do you think that for her there is any long-term benefit in what has happened over the last few days, showing that she is going to stand up to the president on foreign policy and distance herself? i think she has to strike some distance with the president over the course of the next year on both foreign and domestic issues. the same challenge that george w. bush faced in 1987. i think, a, she is not doing it well. if her message is, guess what, i m pro wall street and i am pro interventionist at a time when i think the country is more populous and wants to pull back, i think it s certainly important in the democratic primaries. we are sorry about bryce, by the way. so am i. it s kind of astonishing, isn t it? the democratic party, the grassroots does not want a hawkish, you know, she lost last time because of this, right? right. and now she is going out again saying i m more hawkish than the president. i m not each sure republican voters want that. while you re talking about this, i see the tubes going around in the background. oh, no. i m going to get dunked. are you doing it? yeah. bobby jindal, the son of a guy challenged me. i m going to get wet and we are going to have a special guest here also. really? you guys keep one of those in the building? i think mika may get dunked in too. coming off of vacation. her daughter is going to be leaving, amelia, wants to get one last shot in for her mom. this is for the als association. the thing that is going around. it s incredible. i did it a couple of days ago. i sent one to andy cohen. he did it live on his show last night and a couple of other ones. we will show that later. a couple of other ones, i think we should expand on. brooke shields, wanda sykes. 37 monkeys running around and a camera on me, i don t know. i figured it out. did you know any of those guys that got arrested last night in mcdonald s? yes. they are probably wonderful guys. they are professionals. they are professionals, exactly. have you seen any silicon valley? they sounded like characters out of sal convalley. i m sorry, they just did. i got my laptop. what are you doing, sir? i don t understand. hold on! 3.2 gigabytes in this laptop, sir. what are you doing? i don t know. have you ever seen silicon valley? never seen it. you will love it. you got to do it. i trust my judge. still ahead on morning j joe, the creative genius behind madmen. matthew wieiner will be here wih more on that. you re watching morning joe. we will be right back. (son) oh no. can you fix it, dad? yeah, i can fix that. (dad) i wanted a car that could handle anything. i fixed it! (dad) that s why i got a subaru legacy. (vo) symmetrical all-wheel drive plus 36 mpg. i gotta break more toys. (vo) introducing the all-new subaru legacy. it s not just a sedan. it s a subaru. that, my friends, is everything. and with the quicksilver card from capital one, you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase. not just everything at the hardware store. not everything, until you hit your cash back limit. quicksilver can earn you unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you could possibly imagine. say it with me everything. one more time, everything! and with that in mind. what s in your wallet? hing your favorite players come on, get open. yeah.with that in mind. with nfl mobile on verizon. yes! get in there! go, go, go, go, yes! let s go, drew. the not-so-good more would be them always watching you. go for it, paul! get open! come on, paul! let s go! hustle! what is that, chamomile tea?! uh, lattes. you wanna take a nap?! get the good more with nfl mobile, free with the more everything plan. exclusively from verizon. now get 50% off all new smartphones. can i just say if you like t.j. i don t know him. you ve never met t.j.? his wife doesn t even like him today. his kids? they call me up at night. come on. everybody likes me. everybody does. willie, what am i supposed to do? problem is he spends half of the day in the car. he lives six hours from work. he doesn t see anybody. t.j., you want to tell the world how you got to work. the horse. samuel. t.j. has a long commute for those of you that don t know. thank you, t.j. it s time for the morning papers. sacramento bee. lawmakers in california passed a 7.5 million water bill. the drought that continues to cripple the golden state. this is epic. the new plan marks the most aggressive investment the state has made in decades. the money is allocated to build reservoirs and clean up contaminated water. residents will vote on the measure in november. wall street journal, cutting back on assault in your diet to harm your health. this is what we have learned, okay? i m so glad mika is not here for this. you need more assault, right? and fat is actually good for you too. you see that? in moderation. i m sorry. like red wine in moderation. assault, fat, and red bull, the three staple of any diet. and wine? no that is always there. those who use less than 3,000 milligrams of assault had a 27% higher risk of heart attack, stroke, even death compared to those who consume between 3,000 and 6,000 milligrams daily. i like assault. like we count the milligrams of sodium. the fda says it plans to review the findings. the new york times. e-cigarette is said to be the cause of a smoking bag. boston fire marshal says recharger batteries into in the cigarettes can cause a fire. the department is considering adding e-cigarettes to the hazards material list. a texas teen was discovered living in a walmart two days after he ran away from home. employees said he lived off food in the story and wore diapers. come on. can home be that bad? incident to grow up to be an astronaut? he changed his clothes every few hours so he wouldn t be recognized. the teen was caught after employees noticed garbage which led to the area he was sleeping. so far, no charges have been filed. the diapers is proof enough. only two days. is that a testament to walmart? you could live in walmart, literally live in walmart. they have everything. i m stunned katty saying he was only living in diapers two days. that is like a long weekend at oxford. a bear mauling drove a girl to the hospital. thompson was hiking on thursday when she spotted a seven-foot bear that knocked her to the ground and bit her seven times. when the bear retreated she walked nearly two miles back to her car and drove to the hospital. she is expected to make a full recovery. that s a tough woman. wow. you know what we do? alex just said, we need cameras on bears. that s.o.b. thinks he is going to get away for this. he needs to be put down. need accountable in the bear community. terrifying video shows the moment water races through doors at a salve fear cafeteria in a hospital. the damage, full of three feet of water. where is this coming from? doors, tables, chairs, no patients or employees hurt during the incident. what happened? it looks like a scene out of the poseidon adventure. nick, that was about 20 years before you were born. upside down. under down. the morning after. maureen mcgovern. it has to be the morning after wow. that s terrible. the end of the last segment we had an inflatable pool going up and after this segment, we have mike barn a balance sitting over there. he is coming up next with sports. scary collision in the outfield. the number one baseball prospect in america is carted off the field after running into his teammate. also, show you a play at the plate that caused this manager to absolutely lose his mind. i love that! i love when they do that. so old school, billy martin. mike barnicle joins us next for sports. shopping online is as easy as it gets. wouldn t it be great if hiring plumbers, carpenters and even piano tuners were just as simple? thanks to angie s list, now it is. start shopping online from a list of top-rated providers. visit angieslist.com today. and cialis for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment is right. cialis is also the only daily ed tablet approved to treat symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or any allergic reactions like rash, hives, swelling of the lips, tongue or throat, or difficulty breathing or swallowing, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis for daily use and a free 30-tablet trial. we make inspiring things. cialis for daily use that go beyond the expected and get people talking. things that make you wonder. .how you ever lived without them. the all-new chrysler 200. america s import female narrator: the mattress price wars are on the mattress price wars are on at sleep train. we challenged the manufacturers to offer even lower prices. now it s posturepedic versus beautyrest with big savings of up to $400 off. serta icomfort and tempur-pedic go head-to-head with three years interest-free financing. plus, free same-day delivery, set-up, and removal of your old set. when brands compete, you save. mattress price wars are on now at sleep train. your ticket to a better night s sleep welcome back to morning joe. pause for quick sports here. mike barnicle is at the table with us. scary moment at a minor league baseball game in connecticut. minnesota twins star collides with a teammate in the outfield halting play for nearly half an hour as he lay motionless. oh! unconscious on the ground and taken off the field in an ambulance with a concussion. as if it matters his teammate hung on to the ball. we don t know the long-term prognosresnosresnosis but it wa concussion. number one prospect in major league baseball. five-tool player. can t miss but he has got some problems this morning and we hope he is okay. a huge talent. hope he is okay. manny machado placed on the 15-day dl. a right knee big strain. took an awkward fall. by the way, that was thomas fault. he dumped a bucket of ice over him before the game. the old roberts jinx. exactly. o s jonathan scope evened things up with a solo home run. same inning, adam jones up with two men on. he jacks a three-run shot to left center for the baltimore lead. they hang on. complete the two-game sweep with a 5-3 win. mike, they are starting to run away with this division now. the o s are very good. adam jones could be an mvp. where did this come from? they stunk about 30 years. they are a pretty good team but the rest of the american league east is really pathetic. really? really. how about old steinbrenner sounding like his old man? telling the yanks to step it up. might be a little too late. check out san francisco and white sox leading the giants 1-0 p.m. bottom of the seventh. crew chief reviewing a game time play at the plate. he is out by a wide margin. after the review, the umpires reversed the call because the new rule does not allow a catcher to block home plate so he was safe even though he was out. white sox manager robin ventura comes out of the dugout and gets his money s worth. a little lou piniella, a little billy martin. they have alter that rule. that is terrible. wait. you re telling me the new rule and a catcher can t block the plate? the rule was put that s why you knock them over! the rule was put in to prevent any more catchers going down with concussions. it s a sensible rule but it should be the umpire s judgment. clearly there was no threat to the catcher. that was a little swipe tag. wasn t like he was standing in front of the guy guy. why don t they put dresses on catchers. come on. they do have catcher cam. giants ran away with that game and won 7-1. we should tell you about a brand-new documentary title. the stars are aligned and takes a look at notable graduates from the s.e.c. schools and their favorite memories. although i said notable graduates, willie geist was interviewed about his alma mater vanderbilt history. the finest moment for vanderbilt football history was a game against tuscaloosa. our punter calls a fake punt. if it blows up, the game is over. we were so shell-shocked. we had a tyne pocket up in the corner of the stadium at tuscaloosa that we ran down the steps and ran back up and, for some reason, we had vanderbilt swagger and we were like, what is up now, alabama? yeah! vanderbilt swagger? now in those days to score a touched in tuscaloosa was big. you say that was the longest run in vanderbilt history? it was done by our punter on a fake punt. that is on the s.e.c. network which debuts today on espn. 9:00 tonight. that s right. stars a are aligned. still ahead the democrats make a big bet to the tune of 9 million bucks but will it be money well spent? a campaign under way to elect the dude. thousands of montana voters petition to get jeff bridges to run for the united states senate. we will have his response straight ahead. [ female announcer ] we help make secure financial tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people. [ mom ] with life insurance, we re not just insuring our lives. we re helping protect his. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. transamerica. transform tomorrow. [ female announcer ] aveeno® daily moisturizing lotion has active naturals® oat with five vital nutrients. [ aniston ] because beautiful skin goes with everything. aveeno®. naturally beautiful results™. israeli and hamas are marking the longest cease-fire since their latest conflict began more than a month ago. overnight both sides agreed to a five day extension of the truce before it was set to conspire and sparking re newed hope that egypt will be able to negotiate a long-term deal. it appeared the agreement may not hold up. both sides reported violence before the extension was reached. israeli accusing hamas launching eight rockets into israeli. official in gaza reported a dozen air strikes and no casualties. this israeli/hamas showdown front page of wall street journal. mike was just talking about it. a stunning story that israeli outflanks the white house. while the white house is trying to tamp down military operations in gaza, the pentagon secretly sending israeli more armaments. the story is filled with all sorts of nuggets, too. including u.s. officials said mr. obama had a particularly combative phone call on wednesday with mr. netanyahu who they say that pushed the administration aside but wants it to provide israeli with security assurances in exchange for signing on to a long-term deal. unbelievable. with us to talk about this and the cease-fire from tel aviv, martin fletcher. it appears the cease-fire is holding, one, after a rocky start right before the deadline. secondly, this story is just absolutely fascinating that netanyahu doesn t end runaround arched the white house. reporter: israeli quickly denied by many unofficial sources saying that it s actually impossible in terms of the in terms of the how israeli gets its hands on the weapons. you know, america, the united states has a weapon stockpiles in israeli and they are in warehouses in israeli for any kind of strategic need, so when israel deems it necessary, they get permission. wall street journal report on specifically, in particular, was the hell-fire missiles which are air-to-ground rockets, laser guided or radar guided. very sophisticated weapons that penetrate armor. israeli apparently used enough of those fired mostly from apache helicopters to need resupplied. whether or not they did it according to in the way they are supposed to from an israeli point of view seems unlikely. how do you bypass the white house and state department? on the ground, the weapons depot in israeli who has charge over this? the israelis or american presence on the ground? you have to have a permission slip to get the weapons? you can t walk through the door and get what you want. you need to get permission from the united states and the former israeli ambassador to the united states who was saying this morning there were strict protocols and strict procedures to get your hands on those. having said that wall street journal seems to be very athorough tative and a hostility between the president obama and netanyahu. whatever the details are whether or not israeli got a hold of the weapons in the proper way the more worrying thing in the long term i believe is israeli s relationship with the white house at a time when israeli needs american help facing the worldwide hostile its to its activities in gaza to the horrific death toll. martin, thank you so much. we really appreciate it. we will be following this throughout the day and the hour to see if the cease-fire holds up. let s hope it does. still ahead on morning joe, hillary clinton and president obama bury the hatchet on martha s vineyard but is a hug enough to mend fences between the democrats biggest stars? joe klein is with us in a minute. plus, it s very disturbing. this one, wow. we will be right back. weird. we always have the right hotel, in the right place, at the right time. 12 brands. more hotels than anyone else in the world. like ramada, you do your thing, leave the rest to us. for a chance to win one million dollars, visit wyndhamrewards.com . create a better website at squarespace.com start your free trial today. funtil to keep growing, theys hneeded a new factory,, but where? fortunately, they get financing from ge capital. we re part of ge, a company that s built hundreds of factories. so we can bring in experts to help them evaluate costs, incentives, and zoning to make a decision that would make their founder proud. if you just need a loan, just call a bank. at ge capital, we re builders. and what we know, can help you grow. who s more excited about back to school savings at staples? the moms? or the dads? with guaranteed low prices on flash drives, it s definitely the dads. staples. make more happen for less. welcome back to morning joe. blinded by the light. a beautiful shot of something. i don t know, thank you, t.j. reagan national airport. ready to hear come all ye faithful no, it s beautiful. great. so, any way we are going to get to north carolina in a second. nick, you brought up a remarkable wall street journal story. the story of the day. talk about what you found there. they were trying to undercut the administration s position and kind of create a misperception about the cease-fire position of the white house to delay a cease-fire. basically lying about our position. who is the client state? are we allies here or what? it s just amazing. now we spy on each other an awful lot. i don t know. let s go to north carolina. senator kay hagan looking to run as the party looks to hang on to the committee that is launching 9.1 million dollar campaign in the race against republican. watch this. it s right there in black and white. house speaker tom tillis drew a bull s-eye on public schools cutting nearly $500 million. he sliced and diced education and creating chaos in our classrooms and hurting middle class families while giving tax breaks to yacht and jet owners. tom tillis. cutting our schools, giving breaks to the wealthy. the democrat irsenatorial campaign committee are responsible for the content of this advertising. he knows jet owners? the war on jet owners. a recent poll shows tillis with a one-point lead so they are tied over senator hagan. well within the margin of error. what is going on in this race, nick? money, money, money, money, money. a lot of outside money. $43 million in outside money in this race. more than what willie makes in a week. this $9 million is about a third of the democratic party s cash on hand for senate races. that s a huge bet. really? what is amazing is all of that money, the poll numbers really are not moving very much. it s basically where it was, like, six months ago. can you imagine if somebody spent $43 million in the tax ads? yet this race is locked in place and it s absolutely critical. over the past several cycles, we have learned talk about law of diminishing returns. the one thing the big donors said hold on we look back at history as joe suggests and not getting our return for that investment. if i was a small businessman putting my money on american politicians at the moment wouldn t be seen as a very good return. they are paying very close attention to these senate races and all of the people who run these big outside groups, karl rove, folks associated with the koch s, they have a huge amount on the line. they sell their donors we temper expectations this time and we can get definitely three or four senate seats but we can t promise seven senate seats because, last time, in 2012 they said we will get the majority and easy to win. everybody understands the stakes and everybody is much more sense is a tiesed how their money is being spent this cycle and how effective it s going to be. al hunt, $43 million in a north carolina senate race, that s insanity. joe, i remember 30 years ago, north carolina, early january, jesse helm and jim hunt tied. they spent a record sum and jesse helms won by one point. they didn t basically persuade any voters so i think what determines that race is they have come in and i think the koch brothers have spent $20 million down there and roughed up kay hagan some. i think what is going to determine that race will be whether the african-americans and others in north carolina are angry enough that turn out to vote and hire numbers and they usually do in off-year elections. a real roll of the dice of the democrats and it s going to be tough. you look at the states, al. north carolina, arkansas, alaska, kentucky, you can go on and on and on. there are so many close races this year. this is going to be a big democratic year even though nobody is predicting that. it could be a big republican year or it could be a draw right down the middle. there are some tight races out there and all of the polls seem to be very close. joe, i don t think it s going to be what they call a wave election because as unpopular as obama is and republican party just as unpopular but it doesn t mean the close races may not break one way or most of them. clearly if they break the republicans way they are going to win at least seven of those seats that they need to win. but it s the red states that you mentioned but it s also colorado and it s iowa. there s a good eight or ten races out there that have very close. al hunt, thank you very much. we will see you soon. thanks, al. thank you, guys. at the top of the hour, the military calls off the mission of refugees in iraq. joe is going to take the als ice bucket challenge as we freeze the water. you re enjoying that way too much. there is baby pool here which is something else entirely. we will be right back. unlimited cash back. let that phrase sit with you for a second. unlimited. as in, no limits on your hard-earned cash back. as in no more dealing with those rotating categories. the quicksilver card from capital one. unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase, every day. don t settle for anything less. i ll keep asking. what s in your wallet? i ll keep asking. can you fix it, dad? yeah, i can fix that. (dad) i wanted a car that could handle anything. i fixed it! (dad) that s why i got a subaru legacy. (vo) symmetrical all-wheel drive plus 36 mpg. i gotta break more toys. (vo) introducing the all-new subaru legacy. it s not just a sedan. it s a subaru. glass on floors. daily chores. for the little mishaps you feel use neosporin to help you heal. it kills germs so you heal four days faster. neosporin. buy three johnson & johnson first aid products and get a free bag. [ male announcer ] when you see everyone in america almost every day, you notice a few things. like the fact that you re pretty attached to these. ok, really attached. and that s alright. because we ll text you when your package is on the way. we re even expanding sunday package delivery. yes, sunday. at the u.s. postal service, our priority is.was. and always will be.you. our prior ty is.was. here i am. rock you like a hurricane fiber one now makes cookies. find them in the cookie aisle. you ll soon discover our mighty love are you going to hug it out with the president? absolutely! we are looking forward to it. going to be there tonight. is it a hard choice to call? no. in the book, we agreed and we are committed to the values and the interests and the security of our country together. we are disagreements as any partners and friends, as we are might very well have, but i m proud that i serve with him and for him and i m looking forward to seeing him tonight. welcome back to morning joe. so good to have you guys with us. on set, the bbc s katty kay and the new york times nick consofori and at the table with us is columnist for time magazine, joe klein and chief foreign affairs and host of andrea mitchell reports of msnbc, andrea mitchell. andrea, got a couple of questions for you. and the spokesman coming up for benjamin netanyahu and ask him about the article in wall street journal. i bet you will. joe klein, we saw hillary there hugging it out. we were talking a little earlier and get the details talking about earlier how anybody who knows hillary clinton, i like her a lot personally, but she puts on the political suit and she just seems so stiff, awkward and forced at times like yesterday. yes, like yesterday. it was just painful. it s been a painful situation. i think that she wittingly separated herself from the president, although i m not so sure that i agree with the positions she took in that interview, and it raises the question about how she is going to separate herself from another prominent democrat, her husband. right. that is going to be a much big problem for her. i don t know if she is on foreign policy issue. not on foreign policy, on wall street. on financial policy. that is going to be a far more central issue in a democratic primary. right. she is going to have to make a decision about whether she supports things like her husband refusing to regulate stock options. she has already been down on to goldman sachs. you re allowed to go to goldman sachs and take a position that they don t like. she went to goldman sachs and granted them absolution in her speech there. she said to wall street, we are not making you our enemy and that is the message they want to hear. they will accept some policy differences but they really don t want to be is on the wrong end of a stick and to be demonized. she has given them that and it s fascinating to watch as joe points out. let s go to martha s vineyard and get the details there actually what happened up there, katty. well, when the officials say that the obama s, we don t have the actual photo, the obama s and clintons sitting at the same table last night, earlier in the day former secretary of state clinton was looking forward to making the amends. it s not clear if that actual hug was involved. officials do say the obamas and clintons had a great time and danced to almost every song. we don t know if they danced together almost every song. despite the much publicized dispute the white house defended the decision to keep reporters away. i believe the president and secretary clinton have had hugs over the past few years and i m sure some have been caught on camera. i think this is a private gathering for someone s birthday so it s hard to bring you lovely people in. one of the articles is titled is this island big enough for clinton and obama? one writes her aides are making plain she has no intention of running for obama s third term. another section, david axleford, obama s former senior adviser and analyst for nbc news is quoted as saying, i don t understand why they are doing this. if i were her, i would be be so sparing with this she makes herself a candidate and a target why she would want to be out there so early is beyond me. david is free to tweet his will, joe klein, the other day, a jab at hillary. everybody is ganging up on barack obama right now. hillary is knocking him down. nothing to do with his approval ratings of course. according to this story another drag down knock out fight with him last week. let s go to that story, andrea mitchell. pretty remarkable. netanyahu and israelis went around the white house s back straight to the pentagon to get more weapons, at the same time, white house was asking netanyahu to draw down, and if you read into the article too, they were also misrepresenting america s position in negotiations p.m. this dispute obviously, getting uglier between the white house and the israeli. israeli and the white house are going to deny these kind of details but the fact is even from the very sanitized readouts that we have been given of recent conversations between the president and the prime minister, it is clear and certainly from what john kerry said in that caught on mike moment that he wasn t aware of when he was taping the sunday shows a couple of weeks ago, they are very concerned that the state department at the very top, kerry and the president, very concerned that israeli was not using what the white house feels is precision weapons in these densely populated areas. there is no question about that. these are american weapons and there are rules of engagement where we provide these weapons and furl all the way back into the 1980s with sharon in lebanon when cluster bombs were being used and talk in the reagan white house because american weapons are not supposed to be used offensively in inappropriate ways. there are rules of engagement in the munitions that we sell. so there is is a lack of a lack of confidence here, a lack of trust, and one of the things that was really overlooked in hillary clinton s interview with jeff goldberg is that she disagreed with president obama on iran, on the iran negotiations, and on israeli. if you read what she said about israeli, she is uncategorically supported of israeli in ways this president is not. let s go to israeli right now and from jerusalem, we have chief spokesman for the prime minister of israeli, mark. a great day for you to be with us. we are reading stories in the u.s. which i m sure you guys are reading as well in israeli talking about how at the same time the white house and the state department are asking israelis to draw down a bit in the offensive in gaza, that israeli was going around the white house s back and actually securing more weapons from the pentagon without their permission. what is israeli s response to those claims? the response is in the story. you know, there s no man closer to my prime minister, closer to benjamin netanyahu than our ambassador in washington ron durham. we have a close military-to-military relationship as you know. it s only natural that that sort of military request would go through our defense ministry of the pentagon. there is no one says that we violated procedure and no one can seriously claim that what we didn t dough was routine. it s simply how do you say it? it s a pile of sand not based on anything. so, mark, are you saying then this is more of a communication problem between the state department and the white house and the pentagon, instead of between the white house and israeli? my prime minister has been in office now, what is it? this his second and third term more than five years and parallels president obama s first and second term. i don t think there has been an israeli prime minister and an american president in recent history who have spent so much time working together. my prime minister respects president obama. i know that he s called the american support during this recent conflict in gaza and called that support terrific. the iron dome which was recently pushed through again, that is extra support for our missile defense system. we greatly appreciate and so i think a lot of these reports, they are wrong both in tone and in content. time magazine joe klein is bus and has a question. hey, mark, how are you? go ahead. we got 12-second delay. don t ask how the weather is. go! military-to-military, i understand. what about politician-to-politician? what can you tell us about this angry phone call between the prime minister and the president? and there is, as you know, a lot of precedent for this in this relationship. i think the word they used in the wall street journal was combative. i don t think that s a correct description of the conversation. obviously, i m not going to go into details of a conversation between the two leaders. those conversations have to remain discrete and that is the way it should be. i can only tell you that since this conflict in gaza started president obama has been hearth for israeli and condemned hamas behavior unequivocally. mark, there are lots of times you can point to instances where this relationship has clearly and publicly not been very good when prime minister netanyahu turned up in the oval office and lectured the president and when the vice president turned up your prime minister announced new settlements on the west bank. this is not an easy relationship and the relationship between israeli and the united states is suffering because of it. i disagree when you use the term lecture. i was there in the room. i don t think that was the situation and i think the situation when vice president biden visited was also a bit different. that s my interpretation. that s my impression and i was there on both occasions. i can say the following. i heard hillary clinton at the top of the hour saying as secretary of state she not always agreed with the president. that s natural. people have different opinions. people have different policies. people don t see eye-to-eye on every issue. fountain president and the secretary of state don t see eye-to-eye on every issue, is it is not illogical to president and prime minister of my country would agree on every issue? from the bbc, all of us know about the great alliance between churchill and they were allies and partners and anybody on who reads the history know the disagreements they had and also a policy issue. if i can put a bit of perspective on this, israeli and america are so close so whenever we have a disagreement it s front page news this time in the the wall street journal, but we agree on much more than we disagree and we work together very closely. we should have actually listened to the british a hell of a lot more in 1945. andrea mitchell? mark, what about the fact, though, that the weapons, american weapons are used in a way that this president does not appreciate, that this president really is offended by. it s very clear from all of the statements from the white house. how can israeli defend itself against rockets coming from gaza if the united states is so upset about the tactics that israeli is using? you know, over the last few days, andrea, american pilots have been flying combat missions in iraq against isis and they are trying to be as surgical as they can to stop isis from committing mass atrocities. both you and me know that sometimes bombs go astray and unintentionally and civilians get killed. we made a maximum effort we would we never targeted civilians, not once. but, mark, if you look at the situation in iraq many people think we are not doing enough because we are hitting artillery pens convoys out in the clear and letting isis gain ground like in mosul. what about the u.n. claims that there were 17 warnings or 30 warnings in one case about the particular school? can you address those? i can. israeli did not target u.n. facilities. i can say that unequivocally. i know they were shooting at us from a u.n. facility or shooting at us from the immediate facility of a u.n. facility and using that for shields of their terror machines. i know there was combat in the vicinity of u.n. facilities because hamas and the other terrorists turned those fa sillities arls naturals of missiles kept in the u.n. we didn t want to see that in the first place. mark, thank you for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. he is doing his job. he is doing his job. i m sure he is a good guy, but let s just say what has happened. this is a relationship that was fraught with problems and it has just got worse because obama has found that netanyahu is going around him to get weapons. i mean, you know, this has been a lousy relationship from day one. i think it s felt on both sides. obama spent his first term not going to israeli. he did. you see that poll 3% of, like, israeli people believe that he had their best interests or something. got off to a rocky start. that people in the clinton state department perhaps including the secretary herself were really pushing him to go to israeli. right. and to, you know, show a little love. he had been to cairo, made that important speech there. and there is resentment on both sides, i would say. i like how you defined it in the negative. he spent his first time not going to israeli. like i spent my four years in college not studying. let s bring in jim miklaszewski. jim, thank you so much for being with us. so help us out here. we just spoke with, obviously, mr. regev, netanyahu s chief spokesperson, who denies wall street journal report, which is pretty stunning. tell us, what are you hearing inside the pentagon? reporter: where this entire issue arose, people here at the pentagon were discussing it openly because, at the time, it was considered a pro forma exchange. these missions are forward located in a stockpile in israeli that are under the control of the u.s. government so that in an emergency, if the israeli government needs munitions in a hurry, it s there. but, jim, doesn t the commander in chief need to define what an emergency is and what an emergency is not doing? i mean, i m surprised that somebody at the pentagon, in a situation this political, you and i both know that the more stars are on a general s shoulders, the more political they are, the more politically astute most of them are. i m stunned they wouldn t pick up the phone saying, hey, we got this request from israeli. if that happened, personally, i don t know that it happened that way. but officials here, at the time, described it as a prearranged pro forma exchange between the u.s. and israeli in terms of providing them ammunition. can i tell you when we asked questions about it here at the time, there was nobody that was attempting to side-step the issue, doing the tap dance. they said, oh, yeah, we did it, blah, blah, and here it is. so i can t tell you if, in fact, there was anybody here at the pentagon that fs trying to undercut the state department or the white house. quite frankly, with the iron hand in which the white house rules this building, they don t sneeze here without waiting for the white house to say gezhuntite. for the minute i can t believe personally that people here at the pentagon were trying to purposely hide this transfer of munitio munitions. it calls into the phone call between the president and netanyahu. it calls into question why is the white house so ticked off about this at this point? if what jim says is true and i m sure it is, why is the white house making a show of being really angry? the president has been doing this an awful lot lately. he is really seemed cynical, not just about the press. he was born cynical about the press. and about the republicans, but about his own policymakers and just about everything. you re beginning to suspect this is one angry man. the wj say they have been getting ammunition from the pentagon without their approval of the white house. there is either an issue of communication or it s something more underhand and conspiratorial about this. there is something here that is the white house is not happy about. jim, we will end it with you. what it sounds like, listen to what you re saying and what the israelis are telling us this morning, it sounds like you had a pro forma exchange, at least the two parties are saying it s pro forma exchange, that the white house didn t know about maybe because they didn t know the procedure? i don t know. it just doesn t add up. reporter: an example how they operate on the foreign military exchanges and sales. normally, when we ask a question about it the standard response in this building is talk to the state department. right. okay. they know the rules. they know the routes in which this is supposed to take. i find it difficult to believe. it could happen. a rogue general sitting in an office somewhere and work hand in hand with the israelis but it just doesn t add up. mick, thank you. joe klein, thank you. what music are you listening to? who should i go see in brooklyn? who should you go see? i don t know. right now, i m just coming back and i don t know. i am going on a road trip in the fall and going through the south and listen to some great blues but also you owe me something. you told me you were going to take me to a major college football game. i m going take you to an alabama football game. this fall? roll tide, this fall and do music at the same time. we will do music at the same time. andrea, thank you for being with us. a great day to have you on here. we really appreciate it. andrea mitchell s report is on at noon. nick, thank you. thank you. good to have somebody else who has seen silicon valley. i just want to watch the ice getting dumped on you. it s coming at 8:45. plenty of madmen, things are look like pretty dark for don draper. we will talk to the show s creator matthew weiner. president obama says no u.s. combat troops in iraq but the special ops that were on the ground were definitely armed for battle. air force secretary debra lee james joins us next. bill karins will have an update on the flooding in the northeast. you re watching morning joe. we will be right back. ganncr: we took care of your back pain. you make him the mvp. tylenol is clinically proven to provide strong, fast pain relief. but for everything we do, we know you do so much more. tylenol ahhh! what is it? there are no marshmallows in this box of lucky charms! huh. weird. seriously? what? they re magically delicious it can help your business save money. false. the truth is when you compare our fastest internet to the fastest dsl from the phone company, comcast business gives you more for your money. why pay more for less? call today for a low price on speeds up to 150mbps. and find out more about our two-year price guarantee. comcast business. built for business. for the fourth straight night, the streets of the st. louis suburb look more like a battlefield. police in full riot gear using tear gas to simmer the crowd. joining us now from ferguson, missouri, nbc ron allen. reporter: good morning, mike. this is a piece of one of the munitions that the police were firing, a gas canister. we found it here. the tear gas was so intense, you can still smell and feel it in the grass and in the air here, slightly irritating to eyes. many people aren t surprised that this happened because they say that the level of hostility between the police and protesters demanding justice for michael brown and his family seems to grow deeper every day. for a fourth straight night, intense clashes turn the streets of an american city into a battlefield. tear gas sending hundreds of people fleeing for safety. dozens of heavily armed police s.w.a.t. teams, military style vehicles, enforcing an order banning large gatherings after dark. police say they responded with tear gas when bottles and molotov cocktails were thrown at them. it had all started peacefully. demonstrators marching through the neighborhood where michael brown was shot and killed by a police officer. some weapons pointed at the crowd. you re subject to arrest if you do not leave the area peacefully j a man on crutches was removed by officers and this woman apparently got too close. we want peace and unity. we want to partner with the police to find out what happened and to bring justice for mike brown. reporter: police have insisted their tactics of recent days were necessary because of what they faced. the officers from area departments have been subject to assaults with rocks, bottles, an even gunfire directed at them. reporter: now some reporters also claim the police were heavy-handed forcing them to leave a mcdonald s where they were writing stories near the protests. slammed into a soda machine. grabbed my bag and my phone. and put me in temporary restraints. what do we want? justice! reporter: with the investigation into brown s killing expected to take weeks and residents demanding murder charges against the officer who allegedly shot him, many here fear still more confrontation. police say they made ten arrests last night and in this area, there s so much violence that the fear of it, that the schools are closed to children today, about a thousand affected. meanwhile, the police are trying to set up a meeting with the brown family as they try to do everything possible to try to calm the situation down. joe? ron, thank you so much. wow. it s extraordinary that that is happening in this country. we are going to keep following that throughout the day. turning now to news overseas. the u.s. mission to help iraq rescue thousands of refugees. debra lee james is with us. madam secretary, what a day to have you here. there s been so much bad news. we wake up every morning really early and scan through the news. it s all bad. this morning, it was like a ray of sunshine just because you never have good news. this morning, the good news came in the form of wire reports saying that actually what we re doing, what a lot of your people are doing over in iraq actually is easing the humanitarian crisis there. tels us about it. you re absolute right, joe. first of all, thank you for having me on the program today. you re right. overnight the news seems much, much better coming out of iraq and i think the key takeaway is that our humanitarian assistance and the limited air strikes that were ordered by the president are actually working. freed up the blockade, right, or the siege? so we and the u.s. air force, for example, have been able to deliver more than a hundred thousand meals ready to eat as well as 27,000 gallons of fresh water and the limited air strikes have allowed some of the people trapped in the mountain to get off of that mountain so this is all good news. madam secretary, most people read the newspapers and they see this and say that is great, look what we do, we are great and we are great, the united states of america is great. but the logistics behind a delivery like this, the daily drops of food and water has to be enormous. where are these flights emanating from? as you point out there s a lot of work in the back office so to speak of our military to produce the type of operations that we see going on around the world. the key thing about mobility and that is the c-17s and c-130s that delivered this needed food and water is that they can emanate from any part of the world. they can come from the united states, they can come from europe and elsewhere in the area of responsibility. the key thing we have assets to be able to refuel and to be able tote go our people out safely to provide that protection and to get that needed humanitarian shi assistance in there. madam secretary, i don t want to be the voice of gloom. you re british. why we have you on the set. isis is trying to control this region and given the chance they will probably try the thousands of people stuck on the mountain. this effort is not over for the united states or the europeans that are joining you. how do you carry on both with the humanitarian aid and the strikes against is circumstances to try to stop them from going back into the cities and villages where they are committing genocide against these people? the president has said this is not likely a short-term operation. first of all, later ask you why you re here before you go. 22,000. hi no idea. 22,000 air force personnel in new york? joe, i am here because of our people, our airmen. as you say, we have 22,000 airmen who either work in new york or who hail from new york. so just yesterday, i had had the opportunity to visit with our air national guard at our base and met with some terrific bronze star winners. they are combat rescue men to so these are people who rescue those on the battlefield. later on today i ll be going to rome labs for cybersecurity and the future of command and control and communications. we in the air force love new york. and from my friends at home in northwest florida, you also love? we love eglin weair force ba. thank you for joining us. thank you very much. coming up next, two years after sandy, long island got smashed by another record storm and this time, some flooding there was even worse. bill karins joins us for that. up next, things get weird with louis. this is bad. they made me say it. i don t know. we will be right back on morning joe. i dbefore i dosearch any projects on my home. i love my contractor, and i am so thankful to angie s list for bringing us together. find out why more than two million members count on angie s list. angie s list reviews you can trust. i m spending too much timer our calhiringer. and not enough time in my kitchen. need to hire fast? go to ziprecruiter.com and post your job to over 30 of the web s leading job boards with a single click; then simply select the best candidates from one easy to review list. you put up one post and the next day you have all these candidates. makes my job a lot easier. over 100,000 businesses have already used zip recruiter and now you can use zip recruiter for free at a special site for tv viewers; go to ziprecruiter.com/offer99. and cialis for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment is right. cialis is also the only daily ed tablet approved to treat symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or any allergic reactions like rash, hives, swelling of the lips, tongue or throat, or difficulty breathing or swallowing, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis for daily use and a free 30-tablet trial. scarborough country music comes in again. when it comes to politics, does the dude abide? let s go to our louis bergdorf. i m louis bergdorf. faster unseat belts because it s about to get holly weird. we will use any excuse to show you justin bieber s mug shot from last sun. he accepted a guilty plea of careless driving and resisting arrest with that infamous miami arrest. he made a donation for a youth charity and take a course in angry management. that ought to do the trick. martin hasn t finished writing the books to his wildly popular series but he says fans have suggested the ending. martin said, quote. at least one or two of the readers put together the clues i had planted in the books and came to the right solution. you re going to pay to answer those phones and get that coffee. you re finished. go. the weinstein company run by harvey weinstein is offering wide-eyed hollywood hopefuls an opportunity to get their foot in the gor a medoor with a mere fi figures. the dude for senate? that is exactly what thousands of people from montana are calling for in on online petition urging jeff bridges to make a run after embattled john walsh backed out of the race. they call bridges the only candidate you can post pictures of him naked and smoking pot and it wouldn t affect him. bridges told howard stern his week that his wife nicks the idea. i m unemployed. joe, the dude does not abide. back to you. the dude does not abide. i would like to see the dude run. he can just keep saying, that s just your opinion, man. that would be pretty good. yeah. so you were the reporters in mcdonald s? yeah. you think the cops did everything the wrong way? i think the clip that we showed earlier is evidence of how not to police, how not to police. i don t think the reporters necessarily moved fast enough and if i had been told by the cops waving a gun to move along i would have moved along before they got to the end of the sentence because that is me and i would want to do what they said. i think what they did after slam ago reporter under a soda fountain. was that on video? nobody. the guy talks about it. we need video cameras on cops. it also gets into, joe, another aspect we have talked about this earlier, and other programs, the increasing militarization of police departments in towns. hard to figure out how they could handled this worse from the very beginning. they look like they are in the middle of ukraine instead of in the middle of america. how do you trespass in a mcdonald s? i don t know what was going on, mike, all right? i m only paid to be here. that s why i m here every day 365 days of the year. that s true. whether the little red light is over that camera or not. you should take a break once in a while. i will not do it. this is my home. i ve got no life. outside of this. it s a grim existence. coming up next, the end of an era. we will ask matthew weiner about the madmen finale and a few other things to discuss when he joins us next on morning joe. moderate to severe is tough, but i ve managed. i got to be pretty good at managing my symptoms, except that managing my symptoms was all i was doing. when i finally told my doctor, he said my crohn s was not under control. he said humira is for adults like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn s disease. and that in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you ve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. if you re still just managing your symptoms, ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, remission is possible. hey there, i just got my bill, and i see that it includes my fico® credit score. yup, you get it free each month to help you avoid surprises with your credit. good. i hate surprises. surprise! at discover, we treat you like you d treat you. get the it card and see your fico® credit score. you sure i don t have to go in and talk to anyone? no. i have the note. happy valentine s day. i love you. what an incredible scene. i thought one of the more telling scenes of this past season. matthew weiner is with us. his emmy award tv work from madmen and writing to producing the sopranos. now behind the lens as director of a new movie are you here. take a look. let s get things started with a little shot of the harbor and some sea gulls enjoying the sunshine. how are you doing there, fellows? today s high will get up to about 65 degrees with unlimited visibility which means if we could get this knuckle head out of the way you could see down to the ocean city. clearest spot of the nation? that honor goes to bismarck. smooth as silk. seems like you on this is the hottest and wettest spot in the nation and i guess that makes it the number one destination for teenage boys. hey, victoria? i guess so, steve. oh, my gosh. back to you. back to you! matthew, we go back a long way, my friend. a long way. thank you very much for your maybe our earliest supporter of the show. i guess you had basically cable back then. i had basic cable and immediately called every to amc and i sat there and just watched it. talk about binge watching. let s talk about the movie first and then to madmen. tell us about it. that looks hilarious. it s kind of the first thing i wrote after madmen. i wrote the pilot for that and then wrote it right afterwards. it s sort of a it plays a little bit on the way that we feel like we re in a movie at some point. zach and owen play best friends. i think they think they are liverg living in a stoe stoner comedy they are in their 40s and it was a chance to play with the idea of like what holds a friendship together. tell me, because i ve watched the internship like during my vacation 70 times on hbo. what is it about owen wilson? so funny. i love owen wilson. what is it about that man on screen that makes everybody love him? i wrote the movie for him. did you? one of the thing that was kind of fun about it this plays with his on-screen persona because he is similar character. . he is a little wasted and has problems with authority and he is unreliable but he also, it sort of becomes a story about, like, what happens if that guy has to, like, look at himself in the mirror? what is going on underneath that? the thing i love about owen is he has this warmth. he has kind of like bill murray glibness to him which i love. he does. but he is also really an actor and i think a little bit of sensitivity to him underneath it and he is super smart and i think goes against the entire character he is playing. can you script zach? zach is a real actor and he learned his lines. no, i want people to know that. you don t need to script him to some degree. he radiates a kind of warmth and he is just like a really nice guy. we shot in north carolina, which is where he is from. he was he s just a lot of fun. it s exactly what you would want it to be. in the description you gave of owen and the fact you had him in mind for this part and you wrote it for him and then the description that you give maybe not a director s dream in terms of putting a guy that could be a little dry? that is his character. that is his character, you know? but he can take direction? he had an oscar nomination for writing. i don t. he is really smart. and so he s playing a person so he is thoughtful about it. but there is something he does with the silence and something about him being able both of these characters a lot of this movie is about telling the truth and both of these characters, especially owen s character says exactly what is going on in the in a moment most matter how incredibly awkward it is. you see that. he gets away with it. i don t even know what that quality is. i don t know if it s, you know, a childhood thing, adaption thing but there is a mystery about stardom and what people, talk about characters popping or actors getting in the screen and what they give off. i don t know. for me, he s always in this, like, a little bit of thought under neath all of that and a little bit of sadness. the movie has like this sort of change of tone and i think you will see that owen and zach are doing things they have both never done before. let s talk about madmen. it was a little darker this past season. i said it reminded me of watching let it be. the documentary you have all of these people you love but it seems to be surrounded by, what, a lot of sadness. yes. but it s also a story of triumph. yes. this is the whole thing about telling a story. there is going to be 92 hours of this thing when it s done. one of the things you want to do is not repeat yourself. you wano is not repeat yourself but you don t want to mix it up to keep it interesting. part of it is to sort of take the next step in his life. the previous season he had ruined his life. it was the story of 1968, it was also the story of don falling apart. his daughter found out that he was having an affair, his drinking was out of control and how ironic don didn t get in trouble when he was lying. he only got in trouble when he was telling the truth and that was when we had that wonderful scene with sally at the end, who s just an extraordinary actress. but he asked why she had gotten fired after he kept it from her and he said basically because i told the truth. yes. at the wrong time. not great parenting probably to share that with your kid but she knows a lot of things about him that we don t know about our parents, hopefully. and the story last season was kind of him working his way up inside his own business and kind of saying, well, you re waiting for him to self-destruct. you re waiting for him to act on his impulses and blow it like he always does. you re waiting for him to be selfish, and you re hoping that he can repair his relationship with peggy. telling that story, when we did that episode in particular with sally, which was directed by mike uppendahl. you re like he has to tell the truth to her, treat her like an adult. she knows everything about him. and that scene at the end which is every parent s dream. we were saying like don draper, a lot of his life is about his horrible childhood. he has just learned that you really got to work a lot harder to lose the love of your kids. every time the show can have a genuine earned emotion, i think it distinguishes it. i think it distinguishes it from the kind of liker for formulaic stuff. i just want to show one more scene. i m sorry, we re way over. i don t care. you don t have the scene? why don t you yes. which one. i think you can, question authority. i think one of the more do you have it? okay, play it. let s get things started no, come on. t.j., you suck. you did that on purpose. show me show me the one. do you have that one? here we go. here s one of the more telling scenes i think. i want you to tell me about it, go, t.j. you said you didn t know what was going on. this beatles album, start with this one. have fun. don draper in a world he doesn t understand anymore. he is a sinatra man, not a beatles man. i think everybody was a beatles person. this, like a lot of the stories on the show, was something somebody told me. and the guy told me this amazing story that he and his father, they had a lot of battles, but they both loved the beatles. and then revolver came out and they listened to the album and his father just said i don t get this anymore. and to me it was like don is not does not want to be part of that. it s not just it s definitely part of the thing about it being a sinatra thing but that s one of the interesting things about this period and about the show. we did my way last year. my way is a number one song in 1969. i don t know that everybody is a sinatra man or beatles man or the jefferson airplane. there is a subversive streak in the united states. there s also an openness that goes with it. and you see something where our perception of what it was like is not it s like it is now, you know. if you want to, you can keep up with things. my dad real emotion wins out. i became a huge beatles fan because my dad had every album up until revolver. so you tell that story, yeah, he didn t understand anymore. listen, we re excited. thank you for being with us, matthew. thank you. and the movie is are you here. it debuts next friday, august 22nd, in theaters. i m sure we will all be there to see that. thanks so much. what happens at the end? let me tell you. hold on. hold it right there. we ll get it right after break. you re watching morning joe. we ll be right back. start a team. join a team. walk to end alzheimer s. visit alz.org/walk today. [ thud ] visit tripadvisor rome. with millions of reviews, tripadvisor makes any destination better. hing your favorite players come on, get open. yeah. with millions of reviews, with nfl mobile on verizon. yes! get in there! go, go, go, go, yes! let s go, drew. the not-so-good more would be them always watching you. go for it, paul! get open! come on, paul! let s go! hustle! what is that, chamomile tea?! uh, lattes. you wanna take a nap?! get the good more with nfl mobile, free with the more everything plan. exclusively from verizon. now get 50% off all new smartphones. hard it can be.how .to breathe with copd? it can feel like this. copd includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. spiriva is a once-daily inhaled. .copd maintenance treatment. .that helps open my airways for a full 24 hours. you know, spiriva helps me breathe easier. spiriva handihaler tiotropium bromide inhalation powder does not replace rescue inhalers for sudden symptoms. tell your doctor if you have kidney problems, glaucoma, trouble urinating, or an enlarged prostate. these may worsen with spiriva. discuss all medicines you take, even eye drops. stop taking spiriva and seek immediate medical help if your breathing suddenly worsens, your throat or tongue swells,. you can get hives, vision changes or eye pain, or problems passing urine. other side effects include dry mouth and constipation. nothing can reverse copd. spiriva helps me breathe better. sfx: blowing sound. does breathing with copd. .weigh you down? don t wait ask your doctor about we ve got dr. jeffrey sachs, he isn t giving hillary clinton a free pass on foreign policy. why he says she s pushing for a mindless call for more war. plus leigh gallagher on who s topping the list of the 100 fastest growing companies. plus record-shattering rain leaves drivers stranded and the threat is not over yet. bill karins will be here to check on the forecast. also, i am going to get dunked in very cold icy water. machines will be sprayed to be made. and making something stronger. will mean making it lighter. one day, factories will work with the cloud. one day. is today. dad: he s our broker. he helps looks after all our money. kid: do you pay him? dad: of course. kid: how much? dad: i don t know exactly. kid: what if you re not happy? does he have to pay you back? dad: nope. kid: why not? dad: it doesn t work that way. kid: why not? vo: are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is managed? wealth management at charles schwab thousands of yezidis have spent ten days looking death in the face. while the white house has insisted that u.s. troops would not be put back into a combat role in america american military forces were on the ground today in the middle of a combat zone. the heavily armed green berets were there to assess what it take to put together a rescue operation. the question is whether american forces will get drawn into a direct slash with the militants of the islamic state. after dark it does get a little dangerous. for the third straight night the streets of ferguson looked like a battlefield. tear gas has been filling the air and bullets of lighting up the night. two reporters in ferguson, missouri, were arrested by ferguson police. evidently i was not moving quickly enough. i m ready to take my kids and i m ready to go. it s scary. are you going to hug it out with the president? absolutely. at an event in martha s vineya vineyard, it s getting a lot more attention than it might have. since clinton criticized her former boss in a magazine interview. we had any disagreement as partners and friends and i m looking forward to seeing him tonight. she still seems so insincere. harry reid said what you re doing is a political stunt. we will do what we have to do in the state of texas to protect our citizens. harry reid needs to try that on. yes, sir. all right. welcome back to morning joe. great to have you back with us. do we have the clock, t.j., are are you going to screw that one up too? i have it. do you want to put it up there? oh, look at that. so there s the 50 minutes till i think i get in there and get ice water dumped on me, all for a good cause. this is mika s daughter amelia and graham. they re going to dump, i guess, ice on mika s head too. it s the last thing she s going to do before going off to college. she gets one last shot at her mom. that s good. it s good to end your 18 years at home. it s a good negotiation tactic for the allowance discussion. i think so. with us on set we have fortune magazine s assistant editor leigh gallagher. also the director of the earth institute at columbia university, dr. jeffrey sachs who, wow, hillary clinton s foreign policy deception. we re going to be talking about that in just one second. first, parts of the mid-atlantic and northeast are cleaning up and drying out after heavy rain sparked flooding across several states. yeah, the hardest hit area appeared to be long island where islip, new york, saw a record amount of rain. 13.57 inches. that is a lot in under 24 hours. it s more than the region typically receives all summer long. let s go to bill karins for more on this horrendous wet weather. bill? this 13.5 inches of rain, guys, is not just a daily record or monthly record, we re talking an all-time new york state weather. think how long weather records go back in new york state, back to the 1800s. no single location has ever recorded 13 inches of rain in 24 hours before. think of all the hurricanes that have hit, the nor easters and all the big thunderstorms. this was the most rain ever. so islip, new york, the new record holder at 13.57 inches of rain in 24 hours. the old record, by the way, was only set two years ago when hurricane irene went through, about three years ago and that was in tannersville, new york, at 11.5 inches of rain. where else did we get drenched? maryland saw 10 inches. what s amazing about this storm, a little bit of a head scratcher with our weather extremes is that so many locations saw flash flooding. this wasn t a hurricane, this wasn t a tropical storm. this is new pictures coming in from last night all the way up in portland, maine. they picked up 6.5 inches of rain from that same storm. that s as much rain as they would typically get in three months in portland, maine, during the summer. you can see this just adds to the hundreds of vehicles that were swamped up and down the east coast. other areas, of course two days ago in baltimore, three days ago in detroit, all from the same storm system. thankfully it s gone and we don t have to deal with it ever again but we have to deal with its aftermath for a while there. still some power outages and a lot of water waiting to recede, especially for those areas around long island and islip. greatly appreciate it. glad that has passed. we re actually going to have a nice weekend up here, going to feel like fall. so let s go from long island to iraq. obviously. obviously that s the next step. there are strong signals in iraq that the u.s. will not launch a rescue operation for those displaced civilians. a team spent 24 hours on top of mt. sinjar where waves of refugees fled from islamic militants. the pentagon said several thousand refugees are still there but far fewer than reported a week ago. ongoing u.s. air strikes have allowed many to escape. defense secretary chuck hagel says it is far less likely that an evacuation mission will be needed. meanwhile prime minister nouri al maliki is striking a defiant tone. he might as well be talking to a wall. i think he thought iran would help him but they have ditched him to. the u.s. as undercut him, the military has undercut him, now he s going to the courts? he does have these militias and special forces and military who are loyal to him, so could he try and get them out on the streets again? politically, it looks like he s over. we ll see. jeffrey, boy, this is seems to be a much tougher call. you know, we ve been against military intervention in a lot of been together since 2008, 2009 on a lot of issues like this. how do we respond, though, to the growing isis threat without trying to get a group of nations together to work with us to stop the spread of isis? well, the first thing is we understand it. what is it? well, it is very radical, obviously very murderous group but it emerged in the context of our syria policy. our syria policy was to destabilize the syrian government. this opened up space for every kind of horror, including the isis horror. so every time we intervene we have an anti-midas touch from libya, searia, iraq. we destabilized the whole region. we destabilized syria and then it falls to pieces, isis grows out of that. are you on hillary s side, are you on the president s side that we should have gone into syria earlier? barack obama says it s fantasy that if we went into syria earlier we could have actually done something to stop the killing of over 100,000 syrians. what do you think? we went into syria. it s been hidden from the american people by and large. we don t know how far in syria we are and have been. there s been lots of secret weapons moving, lots of secret money moving, lots of publicly announced money moving. we re in syria. we have succeeded, in quotation marks, in destabilizing a region and now there are the same way we were in bosnia, by the way. we got in enough to create a complete disaster. you ve established that. so we all agree. yeah. let s agree for argument s sake that we created the disaster. we re one of the parties and we contributed to it. so what do we do after that? what do we do now? what do we do moving forward with isis? i think you re correct that a number of governments have a critical stake in isis not being this murderous group that it is. where are they? where s turkey? where s germany? we have something called the united nations. that s a good place to start. instead of us just taking this on unilaterally, once again making the incredible kind of mess that we keep making, let s try to find a real solution that actually speaks to the interests of the neighboring countries. where are our european allies? they seem to be on a vacation from history. everybody has just assumed that the united states is going to clean up messes across the globe and when we go too far, they turn around and attack us for trying to clean up messes around the globe. why can t we drag the germans, why can t we drag the e.u. and drag other people who have more of a stake in curbing isis than do we? i think one of the things we have to remember is that many times the europeans have said stop, you re about to step into a land mine, like in iraq in 2003. they told us absolutely right, don t do that. we said what are you, cowards, pacifists and so forth and we ended up creating a disaster. it s 2014 now, jeffrey. well, i m saying we have a pattern now repeatedly in iraq, in syria, in libya that has destabilized now an entire region. it s incredible to read the interview with president obama where he says, well, yes, we overthrew gadhafi. we didn t think very much about what would come next. are you kidding? how can you say that in 2011 when we saw the experience in 2003. so the instability across the middle east is all the united states doing? no, no. it s just that we are so not smart in what we re doing, it s unbelievable. did you ever see team america? i haven t. you should see it. jeffrey, you write about hillary clinton s foreign policy deception and hillary may want to walk away from this mess but she can t. t of course the u.s. is not the only failure in this story, there s failure galore among all participants. yet with all of the urgent issues the world faces, fighting diseases, climate change, extreme poverty, high unemployment, widespread illiteracy, our political leaders have doubled down on war, including clinton s tough talk. most of us are utterly tired of the mindless call for more war that is leading the world deeper into despair. there s no doubt that this country is war weary and nearly bankrupt because of our expenditures in various wars. but with regard to this particular region and this particular group, katty, is it not the case this is the saudi duplicity, egyptian duplicity and even iranian duplicity, they are all our natural allies in this fight against the growing threat of isis. and there s been a stunning silence from around the region. from the qataris who were supporting them in syria as militant extremists. you haven t heard much from the iranians and the saudis. the only way that the situation is going to get resolved in iraq at the moment, the only chance we have of really rolling back isis and making this an organization that is no longer a real national security threat to the united states and to europe is by getting a political regional solution from those countries. bravo. this is exactly right. we can t do this. this is not the u.s. job. and i think when joe, to your point when it was about syria, i do think actually there was much more pressure in europe from politicians the french and the british. and britain too to get involved at that stage, to get involved earlier on in the syrian operation. but iraq is still seen as america s problem. it really is. and you re right, isis constitutes a threat to europe as well. there are fighters there from europe as well, but iraq is seen as america s problem. joe, we sat at this table when president obama and hillary clinton said assad must go. i remember saying to you, what? what are they talking about? how are they going to do it? what s going to happen? mubarak must go, assad must go, gadhafi must go. we talked about it and said you can t make a statement like this and think things are going to come out roses and here we are. they don t think. one of the big issues here that hasn t received the headlines that it ought to receive because of the ongoing conflict with isis on an everyday basis is jordan. if isis manages to control part of jordan or overthrow the jordanian government, which is very tenuous to begin with, think of israel, its next-door neighbor. what s going on in gaza is going to look like a day at the beach. and the thing is, yes, we started this in 2003. the reason i said it s 2014. we ve got to deal with it now. the europeans have to deal with it. the saudis have to deal with it. qatar would have to deal with it but they re at the root cause of so many problems across the middle east it s stunning what they get away with and why more people don t trace what they re doing with terrorist groups across the middle east. i m not sure why they get a free ride on that. but yeah, the saudis, for god sake, why aren t the saudis doing more? and you said the crucial word, political. not military. you said it needs a political settlement. jeffrey, you write in the arab spring in 2011 we were got wholly flat-footed. our policy has been completely reactive. why do you think that is? because nobody in washington is paying attention to on the ground. we just look at these countries only for what they mean for us in the most reactive way, oil, for example. or, you know, some immediate thank god we re going to get a lot more oil in america, huh, jeffrey? yeah, this is it s unbelievable. we ve just not paid attention for years. we don t have a feel on the ground. when you re there, i travel in these countries all the time, you see a lot that isn t reflected in washington at all. then when something happens, boom, war. overthrow them. that s what we do. jeffrey sachs, we ve missed you. happy to be back. come back more. i will. what are they saying about morning joe in sub-saharan africa. they love it. at the vatican, the pope, everywhere. you say wherever you go it s unbelievable. we ve heard this obviously from egypt i can be any place in the world. hey, i saw you last week on morning joe. i was in ethiopia, i was in row wanda, just hearing it everywhere. isn t that crazy? i know i m ironic a lot of times, but here we hear this all the time. world leaders from across the globe actually watch this show. jeffrey came back and he said, you know, i even get it at sub-saharan africa. no question. it s crazy. do they watch it on their phones? everywhere. they tweet it out,in incredible. coming up on morning joe why the pope means business. how pope francis is fixing the finances. plus i always thought bobby jindal and i are on good terms. we ll show you why i m starting to question that assumption. they re going to dump some ice on me and mika s daughter, dear, dear amelia, is going to spend her last moments dumping ice on her mother. a surprise visit from morning mika straight ahead on morning joe. it s time to bring it out in the open. it s time to drop your pants for underwareness, a cause to support the over 65 million people who may need depend underwear. show them they re not alone and show off a pair of depend. because wearing a different kind of underwear, is no big deal. join us. support the cause and get a free sample of depend at underwareness.com fancy feast broths. they re irresistabowl. completely unbelievabowl. totally delectabowl. real silky smooth or creamy broths. everything she s been waiting for. carefully crafted with real seafood, real veggies, and never any by-products or fillers. wow! being a cat just got more enjoyabowl. fancy feast broths. wow served daily. mom usually throws a gogurt in there. well mom s not here today so we re doing things dad s way. which means i get. two. (singing) snack time and lunch. (singing) snack time and lunch. gogurt because lunch needs some fun. he s excited for saving at staples for back to school. they re excited. these guys are super excited. because when you get crayons for less. mechanical pencils for less. and notebooks for less, all at guaranteed low prices, you can t help but show it. in a big way! staples.
that was a scene from the 1994 movie about how quickly business can take off. the latest issue of fortune magazine looks at the fastest growing companies. leigh is here to take us through that. also we ve got ceo and editor in chief of business insider henry blodget. thanks for having me. first of all, this guy is turning over the tables in the temple. unbelievable. he is making a lot of people in vatican city nervous. tell us about your story about the holy reformer. sure. well, we ve all seen in the past 18 months what pope francis has done. the francis effect, the 4.3 million twitter followers, the way he has completely re-energized the catholic church. we made him our number one world s greatest leader a few months ago because of that reason. but what a lot of people don t know and what s lost in this story is that he is actually an incredibly savvy manager. and what he s done, he has gutted the way the vatican does business, the way it manages and in particular rearranged its finances soup to nuts. the cardinals never saw this coming? they never did. he replaced old guard cardinals. he brought people in from ernst & young. you re kidding. no. he knows how to bring in the right leaders under him and motivate them to get the job done. as a result, it s just being completely transformed. there had been a level of corruption and secrecy in the vatican bank that was historic. and dealing with that bureaucracy would have to have been mind boggling. yes. in fact before he was named pope, he was a long-time critic of the way the vatican did business. the inside dealings, bids go to friends of the church and no competitive bids, an insular way of doing business, which is not a good way of doing business for many reasons. he s got this elite managerial skill set that i think is something people have no idea, for all the other things that he s done that we know about. he also knows a lot more about economics than most economists. he understands actually what s wrong with the world economy. we have this incredibly growing inequality gap. what even people in the united states don t understand is the wages that you pay to people who work for you are revenue for everybody else. we are now obsessed with profitability, maxing it out. we ve got to start actually paying our folks more. that s one of the messages he s preaching. absolutely. and he says that you can t he can t meet his bigger need, which is helping the poor around the world, help get needy is his biggest mission. you can t do that unless your books are in order and that s also something new. let s go to the fastest growing companies. sure. i m glad henry is here. i m going to ask henry some questions about this as well but let s talk about the fastest-growing companies. this is a list we do every year and we rank them on profit, revenue and stock growth over the past three years. this is who s hot in sort of the recent past. what s interesting this year is a full quarter of the companies are involved in shale oil and natural gas. so a fourth of these companies are either refining, delivering, servicing, selling, discovering, so it s really a metric of what s hot in our country. does one company stand out? no. there are probably a lot you haven t heard of. number one is actually a pharmaceutical company that s developed an anti-inflammatory drug so that s always an yar where we see a lot of growth. i just heard a funny term this week, hopium for pharmaceuticals. hunger games very good for liongate entertainment. toll brothers has really risen a lulu lemon is on here. apple still? apple is still there. henry, let me ask you, you look at the bubble in 99, 2000, you look at the housing bubbles. when you look through these lists, how do we sort through the pets.com versus the apples versus the microsofts. there are pockets of incredible opportunity. energy, the united states has a huge energy boom which is driving a lot of job growth, it s been very good for reducing dependence on the middle east and so forth and a lot are in there, but it seems to be relatively widespread right now. part of the issue in the 1990s was it was centered on technology and housing, everything was tied directly to housing. now it seems to be relatively diversified. so you mentioned income inequality which is a staggering problem we have to confront in this country, but how do we get through the mindset, you get these big corporations and they announce we laid off 10% of our workforce and their stock goes up. you have to ultimately focus people on the longer term, which is that if we keep destroying the american consumer by reducing costs to the absolute minimum we can pay people, you re ultimately destroying the buyers of your products. the reason our economy has been so strong since 1950 is that we had a very well off middle class that could support every company. if we gut it, and we re continuing to do that, there s no revenue for other companies and ultimately the economy just breaks down. if you really want to get somewhere, you can try appealing to fairness. maybe share a little bit more of the wealth that the company creates with the people who create it. if that doesn t work, appeal to long-term greed which is companies will grow a lot faster if you put more of what you re making back into the economy with wages. henry ford famously figured this out over a century ago. his employees were customers, so pay them well. exactly. great points. leigh, this is great. holy reformer on the cover. thanks for being with us. thanks. coming up, what s the next best thing to creating your own internet startup? investing in one just as it gets off the ground. one of the top ceos joins us on the web on morning joe. plus, you invite someone on the show and how do they repay you? by publicly coercing you to dump a bucket of ice on your head. look, the tarp is coming out, mike. obviously it s going to be wet around here. rain delay. bobby jindal, thanks so much, buddy. we ll be back with more morning joe. so ally bank really has no hidden fees on savings accounts? that s right. it s just that i m worried about you know hidden things. ok, why s that? no hidden fees, from the bank where no branches equals great rates. [ male announcer ] when you see everyone in america almost every day, you notice a few things. like the fact that you re pretty attached to these. ok, really attached. and that s alright. because we ll text you when your package is on the way. we re even expanding sunday package delivery. yes, sunday. at the u.s. postal service, our priority is.was. and always will be.you. our priority is.was. machines will be sprayed to be made. and making something stronger. will mean making it lighter. one day, factories will work with the cloud. one day. is today. with us now the co-founder and ceo of benovos inc., andy dunn. thank you so much for being with us. thanks for having me. we were talking about a lot of different companies that were growing fast in the last segment, but you obviously, you re the founder of red swan ventures. consumer products and the way they re being sold is changing pretty radically. well, that s what s exciting about new york right now is you ve got technology enabling the transformation of industries like retail. right. where not much has changed since the invention of the automobile. with the development of the internet and the smartphone, our belief was you re able to build a brand with the internet at its core. so we took these great-fitting pants and said let s deliver a digital model where we can deliver not only great clothes but great customer service. that was 2007. people said you can t build a brand with the internet as its core. we said not only do we think we can but we re going to offer better product and service as a result and now you see companies, transforming eyewear and harry s transforming razors so it s not just about us. so here s the friction here. obviously a great idea for people that don t have tons of money, have a great idea, they can go out and have the internet as their core. stores, you don t have to hire thousands of people. and so there s a good side to that. but the bad side of it is, again, that you have less people working in retail. how do we strike that balance moving forward? well, hopefully they are paying the people who are working for them well and the people who are no longer working in retail can either work for companies like yours or can create new companies. the economy is always transitioned. we used to be a farming economy, then it was a heavy industrial economy. jobs have always been created as long as people are creative. the point is, the goal shouldn t be to pay the people who create the value as little as you possibly can. it should be to share the value with them. talk about the boston store. mike was asking about the boston store. talk about that, if you will, because it s fascinating how your operation works. well, one of the things in responding to henry s point tying to the store that we found to be exciting is actually sharing the ownership with the company. so most of the time in retail what you do is you say we re going to hoard all the profits and you ve got the employee peons. we flipped the script and said let s make everyone in the company owners. so coming back to our guide shops, we ve got ten now. boston, chicago, san francisco, all these places. the managers are equity owners in the company. same for our customer service ninjas, which is our customer service team. most people are talking about running customer service on the other side of the planet, we re running it here in new york city. if you want to offer great service, you have to make the people who are providing that service, in case the ninjas and the guides, you have to make them owners of the company. but what happens in the store, to joe s point? our stores we think are a revelation. we think this is the future. you come in, you get an amazing customer service experience. a great one-to-one interaction. you come in, you have an appointment, you try stuff on, you touch and feel the product but the whole thing is guided. so you re getting great-fitting product but awesome style advice as well. at the end of your time with us, we place an e-commerce transaction which fulfills through the mail. so you take all this inventory out of the store and that enables you to focus on just great human interactions in the store. i think apple was the pioneer of this with the genius bar. you were talking about lululemon earlier. they re great at offering a great experience in stores. i think stores are just changing into more experienced and customer service. you are hiring people in your stores. this is not just online only. you re actually hiring giving people real jobs and some of the you have a venture capital firm that you started and is investing in similar companies. one of those companies is task rabbit, which is a great counter argument and making another point what henry said is that a lot of these new companies are giving people new ways to work. this outsources tasks. i need a dress to be picked up, i can t get out of the office. you hire someone to do it and they bid on it. now they changed the model a little bit. so they do your task for you. they are students or part-timers and they are finding new ways to is there an app for this? yes. did you get reviews on this? look it up. it s the future. i ve got to get out of 1979 and get the 8 track tape away. get yourself a cell phone. these are pretty cool, you should get one. i ll try one of those things. try an app. an app? yeah, a-p-p. what s that? i m just going to go home and watch my beta max. this is fascinating, aebd. are you wearing our clothes? not just our pants anymore. shirts, jackets, we re seeing huge growth in suits and blazers and button down shirts. all right. fantastic. greatly appreciate you coming. andy dunn, thank you so much. you can log on to afternoonmojo.msnbc.com to hear more about andy in our exclusive web interview. henry, great to have you on, greatly appreciate it. coming up next, for the governor of a warm weather state, bobby jindal has a cool, cool sense of humor. we ll explain what i mean next on morning joe. if energy could come from anything?. or if power could go anywhere? or if light could seek out the dark? what would happen if that happens? anything. hey, i heard you guys can help me with frog protection? sure, we help with fraud protection. if there are unauthorized purchases on your discover card, you re never held responsible. you are saying frog protection ? fraud. fro-g. frau-d. i think we re on the same page. at discover, we treat you like you d treat you. fraud protection. get it at discover.com dovisit tripadvisor new york. with millions of reviews, tripadvisor makes any destination better. and cialis for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment is right. cialis is also the only daily ed tablet approved to treat symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or any allergic reactions like rash, hives, swelling of the lips, tongue or throat, or difficulty breathing or swallowing, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis for daily use and a free 30-tablet trial. i want to thank drew brees for challenging me to take the als ice bucket challenge. i m happy to accept in honor of team gleason. i ll also be making a donation. i want to challenge les miles, willie robinson and joe scarborough. you ve got 24 hours. oh, my goodness. with us now is republican governor bobby jindal of louisiana. governor, my goodness, is it i don t know, what is it? is it some past criticisms that we may have had about your esteemed office or being an alabama fan? why are you picking on me, man? why are you picking on me? joe, i ve never been more popular with your staff and your producers. they were so excited when i did this. you know, look, as an alabama fan, you guys aren t going to be able to do a gatorade shower later this season when we beat you. look at this, lsu fan already talking smack, mike barnicle. you can take care of him this fall. that s what i m saying. so have you heard back from les miles. you challenged les, is he going to do it? i ve heard back from willie robertson. i m thrilled you re going to be such a good sport about this. i want to be very clear, there s a new trend called the naked ice bucket challenge. i m not challenging you to that, that is not at all that s not good tv. so this is just the plain, vanilla, ice bucket challenge. mike barnicle wants to actually volunteer for that. that will really help ratings a lot. through the roof. we re going to talk about why you did this, why you challenged me. the bigger cause in a minute a little bit later on right before the ice is dumped on my head and mika s head as well. first of all, let s talk about a couple of things. let s start with common core. this is an issue that seems like a great idea to a lot of people, including conservatives like jeb bush. it seemed to take a nasty turn. i ve actually heard parents from moderate republican and democratic families walk up to me and express concern about common core. it s not just been right wing nuts, as the mainstream media would want us to believe, but a lot of concerns about common core. what s your what s your evolution on this? well, look, i originally thought the idea of standards locally was a great idea and i m still for rigor in the classroom. the reason i m opposing common core so strongly and fighting to get it out of louisiana is that it has become something very different than what it started. now it s become driven by the federal government, the federal bureaucracy. it was never intended to be a top down approach. the federal government has never made curriculum decisions in our local schools. i think it s a mistake to do that. a lot of times people who are for common core try to say if you re against us, you re against standards. that s not true. i m for tests, i m for standards. i don t want the federal government driving these standards. as a parent, i look at the math standards and some of the reading text and i m very worried about my kids doing these things. i think it would have been better if they had slowed down, let the teachers, let the parents have more involvement, have more transparency. i think they have rushed to do this. so i think the idea of standards is good, i just don t like the idea of a one size fits all approach from the federal government. speaking of high standards, the bbc s katty kay is here. governor, you were up in des moines, iowa, there, and the register there said you got a warm welcome. so how is 2016 looking for you? look, i m thinking and praying about it. won t make a decision until after november. we ve got to win some important races this november. if i were to decide to run, i certainly think that our country is hungry for a big change in direction. not incremental change, especially when it comes to restoring the american dream for our children and grandchildren. there s a lot of frustration with both democrats and republicans in both parties that all they want to do is make incremental changes. even in d.c. you hear from republicans you can t repeal obamacare, you can t pal the budget, you can t grow the economy. we need stronger foreign policy. but there will be time after november to make those decisi s decisions. right now let s win the senate and these governors races. governor, back to the common core, where does louisiana rank in terms of education and math in national standards? well, historically louisiana has not done well but recently we ve implemented very aggressive reform so in new orleans, 90% of our kids are now in charter schools. we have doubled the percentage doing reading and math on grade level in five years. we have got the highest ever graduation rate in our high schools. at one point in new orleans before these reforms, 60% of our kids were in failing schools. now it s less than 6%. you look across the state, record growth in the number of kids taking a.p. exams, more kits doing well on the a.c.t., so we have seen rapid improvement and rapid progress. we ve still got work to do. i m not saying we re where we want to be but we re doing better than we have before because we ve done charter schools, merit evaluations of our teachers. we do school choice. i m all for reforms and i m all for accountability. i think it s important. louisiana s kids learn the best math and we can compare them to kids in other countries and other states. my problem with common core is, again, the federal department of education, arne duncan through race to the top, no child left behind, has made this into a federal takeover of our local curriculum. that s what s not acceptable. governor, this is thomas roberts. just two quick things. first of all, thank you for accepting the als challenge that you took and thank you for challenging joe. did your other two nominees accept and have they done it? willie has accepted. he s going to do it later today. we ve not heard from les miles. i think we can raise a lot of money for als by auctioning off the rights to dump joe. think about all the money you could raise offering people the chance to bid on that. bobby, you stick around. we re going to get this over with next. plus we re going to reveal who i m nominating for the challenge, and here s a hint. one of them is sitting in our little swimming pool here on the morning joe set with tarp all around it and with our kids around. amelia is here and i ve got kate and jack here as well. straight ahead on morning joe. can this decadent, fruit topped pastry. .with indulgent streusel crumble, be from. fiber one. new fiber one streusel. are you new to medicare? are you wondering about your choices? with over 30 years of medicare experience, unitedhealthcare medicare solutions can help. call now to learn more about plans available to you. including aarp medicare plans. or to get this free medicare made clear answer guide. it was created to help make the different parts of medicare easier to understand. medicare has two main parts parts a and b to help cover a lot of your expenses. like hospital care. and doctor visits. but they still won t cover all of your costs. unitedhealthcare has the information you need to help you be better prepared when making medicare decisions. so call toll-free now. or visit us online. are you looking for something nice and easy? like a single plan that combines medicare parts a & b with medical and drug coverage? well, a medicare advantage plan can give you doctor, hospital and prescription drug coverage all in one plan. maybe you d like help paying for your prescriptions. consider a part d prescription drug plan. these plans can help reduce the cost of your prescription drugs. call now to learn more about what unitedhealthcare offers, like aarp medicare plans. we ll send you medicare made clear, free. one of the many ways unitedhealthcare can help guide you through your medicare choices. if you or someone you love is new to medicare, retiring, losing employer s retiree health benefits, or simply looking for answers to medicare questions, like what s the difference between parts a, b, c and d? call toll-free now, or visit us online and download your guide free at answerstomedicare.com/tv. it s full of useful information to help you understand your medicare choices. and it s only from unitedhealthcare medicare solutions. call right now or visit us online. all right, everybody, welcome back to morning joe. we still have governor bobby jindal with us who did the ice bucket challenge the other day and he nominated joe to take the challenge. thanks, bobby. so we ve got joe s kids, kate and jack are here, we ve got graham and amelia. amelia is off to johns hopkins. this is my college wish. is this your college wish, amelia? sure. so mika is here because joe, your nominations are? carol king, lyle lovett and mika brzezinski. mika, who are yours? mine are my brothers mark and ian and bradley cooper. these are all really good ones. governor jindal, do you have any final words before they get ice baths? i want to thank them for supporting a great cause. i think we should start dunking members of congress every time they say something stupid on your show. do you support that? that would be niagara falls, are you kidding me? we should go into the ice-making business. okay. are we ready to do this? okay, give me this. let me take glasses. here we go. on the count of three, are you ready? 1, 2, 3. get em, get em, get em, get em! attack! attack! get em jack. get em. get em good. oh, my goodness. it s absolute mayhem! and the crowd goes wild! oh, my goodness gracious. that was a good job, jack. kate, good job. graham, good job, amelia, good job. louis, good job with the trash can filled with ice. governor jindal, thank you for the spectacle you created here on morning joe. support the als foundation. it s a great cause. it really is a great cause. go check out their website because if you weren t inspired by this oh, goodness! wait, i already did it! i already did it! here s jack. i ll protect you, jack. [ male announcer ] ours was the first modern airliner, revolutionary by every standard. and that became our passion. to always build something better, airplanes that fly cleaner and farther on less fuel. that redefine comfort and connect the world like never before. after all, you can t turn dreams into airplanes unless your passion for innovation is nonstop. lactaid® is 100% real milk? right. real milk. but it won t cause me discomfort. exactly, because it s milk without the lactose. and it tastes? it s real milk! come on, would i lie about this? [ female announcer ] lactaid. 100% real milk. no discomfort. come on, would i lie about this? hard it can be.how .to breathe with copd? it can feel like this. copd includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. spiriva is a once-daily inhaled. .copd maintenance treatment. .that helps open my airways for a full 24 hours. you know, spiriva helps me breathe easier. spiriva handihaler tiotropium bromide inhalation powder does not replace rescue inhalers for sudden symptoms. tell your doctor if you have kidney problems, glaucoma, trouble urinating, or an enlarged prostate. these may worsen with spiriva. discuss all medicines you take, even eye drops. stop taking spiriva and seek immediate medical help if your breathing suddenly worsens, your throat or tongue swells,. you can get hives, vision changes or eye pain, or problems passing urine. other side effects include dry mouth and constipation. nothing can reverse copd. spiriva helps me breathe better. sfx: blowing sound. does breathing with copd. .weigh you down? don t wait ask your doctor about spiriva handihaler. welcome back to morning joe. it s time to talk about what i learned today. i learned i have a lot of enemies around here. miss katherine got wet, as did little jack. amelia, you enjoyed that far too much. congratulations on going to college. i did this just for you. thank you, graham. graham, thank you so much. you re welcome. fantastic. so what did you learn? you re nervous. my daughter is going off to college next week. we leave tomorrow. lifting two ice buckets at the same time is heavier than i thought. that was really cruel. i learned that thomas shoes are made out of plastic. those things are water resistant. i think they re really duck boots. this is fantastic. i love that. thank you for pushing me in here. thomas, you started all of this. thank you so much, a good cause. that was a violent attack, by the way. i think you two suffered a violent attack. that s how we roll. but again, all for a good cause. and, you know, i had a guy a mentor in pensacola, a great man who passed away from this terrible, terrible disease. we want to thank everybody. we re going to be making a $10,000 donation on morning joe. let s get applause for that. that s fantastic. we thank bobby jindal for dragging us into it. we hope you get dragged into it and take the challenge yourself. we have to cure this disease. it s been with us far too long. give her a big hug, she s cold. if it s way too cold, it s morning joe. of course my hands are cold, sweetie. you dumped 12 buckets of ice on me. what s wrong with you too? all right. oh, look at that. it just kept coming. look at louis. oh, my lord. now the daily rundown with luke russert. chaos in missouri. another night of protests is met with tear gas and flash grenades. this morning we ll talk to the man representing michael brown s family, attorney benjamin crump. meantime in iraq, the answer to the question of whether more u.s. troops will be needed to save iraqi refugees gets a little clearer. we ll have the latest from erbil. and back here at home, president obama and hillary clinton cross paths at a party. is the space between them getting wider as 2016 gets closer? good morning from washington, it is thursday, august 14th, 2014. this is the daily rundown. i m luke russert in for the great chuck todd. we ll start with morning with stunning developments in ferguson, missouri, where police in riot gear used tear gas again
you know what? i have been known to wear a tan suit myself. don t forget, a politics nation baseball cap is always in style. thanks for watching. i m al sharpton. hardball starts right now. a dove named paul? a hawk named hillary? let s play hardball. good evening. i m chris matthews in washington. let me start with the president s decision today to hold off on air strikes in syria. i don t want to put the cart before the horse. we don t have a strategy yet. i think what i have seen in some of the yous reports suggests folks are getting further ahead of where we re at than we currently are. that s not just my assessment but the assessment of the military as well. we need clear plans that we are developing them. i will consult with congress. and make sure their voices are heard. there is no point asking until we know what it will take to get the job done. that was a surprise. the big debate is do we go the direction of george bush again back to pursuing grand goals of ideology? the freedom agenda or do we stick to the dovish stance of president obama trying hard the to wind down the military intervention in the islamic world? here come it is big irony. could the voters be asked to choose from are a dovish republican in rand paul versus a relatively hawkish hillary clinton? listening to what they are saying it s hard to see anything else. in a wall street journal op-ed today senator paul had strong words for people who pushed for stronger action in syria. he wrote, shooting first and asking questions later has never been a good foreign policy. the past year has been a perfect example. our middle east policies unhinged flailing about to see who to act against next with little thought to the consequences. this is not a foreign policy. he pointed out if the hawks got their way and we brought down the government of al assad, it would have been strengthened. the administration s goal has been to degrade assad s power, forcing him to negotiate with the rebels, but degrading assad s military capacity also degrades his ability to fend off isis. joining us are howard fineman and ron reagan. we were talking before the show. very much like the way he s been. dovish. stay out of this stuff. it s as though he read rand paul s op-ed piece. my head is spinning. you have rand paul writing an op-ed piece that could have been written a generation ago by george mcgovern, and the national committee came out with a statement attacking rand paul from the right. basically from the hawkish perspective that sounded like something that could have been produced by dick cheney or john mccain or rudy giuliani a few years ago. this is who he is. he ll go so far as to say, hey, i don t have a plan. i have no strategy as a way the to buy time, rather than shoot first and ask questions later. ron reagan, i have been looking at this for weeks nowment i saw it coming. rand paul is an isolationist, a dove. in many ways he conforms to what i think, probably for different reasons. i think the united states has gone way overboard in involvement in the world. too many fights, too many enemies looking for trouble. an itchy trigger finger. hillary clinton seems to want to be at least two notches to the right if not one notch to the right of the president. much tougher on russia, ukraine, the middle east, china, everywhere. she s much more ornery and wanting to fight. what s your thinking? what s going on with american foreign policy in the debate? the rand paul brand looks better on a bumper sticker than when you flesh it out. howard fineman is a fine editor. if rand paul were one of his columnists and turned this in as a think piece howard would send it back in no uncertain terms saying you need to put thought into it. what was he saying exactly? that we should learn from mistakes in the middle east especially and not repeat them. well, thank you very much, senator paul. next column maybe you can do something on the importance of washing your hands after using the restroom. what did this piece say? nothing. it said let s not be stupid in foreign policy. there is no prescription there from paul. the political point that up is down and black is white with hillary. what i remember about eisenhower is he didn t take us to vietnam. that was a good thing he didn t do. when it comes to foreign policy i believe some of the best stuff you do is what you don t do. lyndon johnson did a lot in foreign policy, right? yeah. a lot of foreign policy. as howard said rand paul s essay is like barack obama s don t do stupid stuff. they are a mirror immanual of one another. hillary clinton says not doing stupid stuff isn t enough. you have to do other things. what are those? that s what we ll see in the depate if she runs. if i had been editing rand paul s piece and i ll ask him to submit the next one to me, ron. you should. first of all, he should have said what he would do. ron s right. he didn t say, okay, you re cautious, you re smart. leave syria alonement stay out of it. that s true. what s wrong with saying we don t have to mess in everybody s rhubarb. why are we building syria, iraq, egypt, the emirates? we are largely leaving syria alone. we have not gone into syria. you want to ask rand paul, what happens when isis beheads other americans? what if they attack oil fields vital to the national interest, an ally we have a defense treaty with. what then? well, hands off? it s more complicated than rand paul s imagining would have it. here comes senator paul again. he called out hillary clinton by name for her hawkish views on syria. wrote, to interventionists like former secretary of state hillary clinton we would caution that arming the islamic rebels in syria created a haven for the islamic state. we are lucky mrs. clinton didn t get her way and the obama administration didn t bring about regime change in syria. that new regime might have been isis. on meet the press sunday the senator called hillary clinton a war hawk. listen. in a general election, were i to run there will be independent and democrats who say, we are tired of war. we are worried hillary clinton will get us involved in a middle eastern war. if you want to see a transformational election in the country let the democrats put forward a war hawk like hillary clinton and see a transformation like you have never seen. amazing stuff that this campaign has begun in 2014. two years from thousand. to look at history, a generation ago all the fights about intervention, isolation and so on were within the democratic party starting with johnson and kennedy, through mcgovern and so forth. now it looks like, if rand paul is to be taken seriously, that the fight will be within the republican party. i would have said, who are the unnamed republicans you are also putting in hillary clinton s camp? if you re going to get to hillary clinton you re doing one of these. come at me. where is that from? pittsburgh? you want to go directly to hillary clinton and set up the general election. who are the republicans you will take on here? it s great. isn t it good? yes. isn t it good we are debating instead of just doing it? we never had a debate about going into iraq, as i recall. a few of us opposed the war. john kerry, biden. who didn t support the war? hill ry. hillary. i don t want to get caught on the wrong side of this baby. i don t want to look weak. i have to look at strong as republicans. that kind of chicken is where the democratic party didn t show its finest colors when they said we don t want to be caught off base. i think you are right, howard. the great debate might be in the debates which by the way, the media won t be involved in the debates next year. we re not involved. i think if paul starts the serious argument within the republican party it could spread to the democrats as well. hillary clinton better watch out. who s going to carry the banner i don t know. for the dovish side. i don t know. who would be the dove against hillary if she runs? she sounds like it. a couple notches from the president. one would be appropriate. if she s two notches from russia, china, the middle east, somebody will commit against her on the left, i think. do you agree? boy, i don t know. i can t see anybody actually challenging her now are from either side from the democratic party. interestingly enough for rand paul he s got the opposite problem hand paul has decided to go into the republican primary running to the left of hillary clinton. that s a novel strategy for a republican. i have to say. i love it. some of the primaries and caucuses you can register on the day, go in and participate where the action is. i think that s one thing rand paul is looking at is a strategy. independents and dems to vote for him. if he s the only anti-war, let s be careful, let s get involved, get in other people s rhubarb to use your are phrase. that s from batman. i grew up with people like mark hatfield, john sherman cooper. these were the people opposed to the vietnam war, republicans out front. it s not the craziest thing for a republican to be dove issue. great to see you. coming up, karl rove s group crossroads gps commissioned a record looking at the republican party standing with women. the blunt finding of the group, female voters think the republican party is intolerant, lacking in compassion, stuck in the past. that s the republican view of their own party. also, what do you think when you mix a private donor s conference sponsored by the koch brothers, an unguarded politician and an audio recording. the latest behind closed doors look at what they really think. this time it s mitch mcconnell explaining what the republican agenda will be if he gets to be majority leader. yesterday, we saw the tragic consequence of what happens when a 9-year-old girl is allowed to shoot an automatic weapon, an uzi. for some gun people i can call them gun nuts, like the nra people, it s the tip of the iceberg. they want virtually no restrictions on guns. wait until you see laws pushed across the country. they are on a slippery slope on the far right. finally, people who speak with a forked tongue like mitch mcconnell and mitt romney. this is hardball, the place for politics. we re less than 70 days from midterm elections now. the senate race in iowa can t get any closer. let s check the hardball scoreboard. the latest poll has democratic congressman bruce braley and republican jo any ernst even at 40%. we have new numbers for the governor s race in the hawkeye state. terry branstad is up by 12 over jack hatch. that s 47-35. things are happening in iowa. we ll be right back. choose nexium twenty-foureople hour for frequent heartburn. i was worried about orange juice, coffee. everything. not anymore. get nexium level protection ™ and for a limited time save six dollars at nexium24hr.com for over 19 million people. [ susan ] my promotion allowed me to start investing for my retirement. transamerica made it easy. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. transamerica. transform tomorrow. transamerica. could help your business didavoid hours of delaynd test caused by slow internet from the phone company? that s enough time to record a memo. idea for sales giveaway. return a call. sign a contract. pick a tie. take a break with mr. duck. practice up for the business trip. fly to florida. win an award. close a deal. hire an intern. and still have time to spare. go to comcastbusiness.com/ checkyourspeed if we can t offer faster speeds - or save you money - we ll give you $150. comcast business. built for business. welcome back to hardball. when president obama won 55% of the women s vote to romney s 44% republicans could no longer deny they had a problem. it was acknowledged in the 2013 rnc autopsy report. now a new report commissioned by two major republican organizations including one founded by karl rove. it has bleak news for the grand old party among women. it concludes female voters view the party as intolerant, lacking in compassion, stuck in the past. if hillary clinton is their democratic nominee for president in 2016 the republican party s un popularity with women voters could grow exponentially. joining us is kelly ann conway, a great pollster with the republicans generally and michelle bernard, president of the bernard center for women, politics and public policy who i can never figure out politically. kelly, you know karl rove and we all know him in different ways. what do you make of the republicans doing their own polling and coming out with words that suggest a real problem? i thought this polling was the opposite of breaking news. it s what we saw when developing the contract with america. it shows the caricature of the republicans takes hold. i can tell you what the party is doing. the party is doing its own polling. i have been involved in focus groups and we find there are certainly some of the stereotypes that persist. there are a number of policies that when explained matter. if you have a happy optimistic message that connects with people, remember the famous washington post poll after the 2012 election? mitt romney beat barack obama and who has a vision, he lost 81-18 on which one cares about people like you. even a majority of republicans agreed. there is no question you have to here s the question. why are women more susceptible to buying the caricature. are men buying the caricature of what the party is? sometimes. does it work both ways? sometimes that s true, chris. the genderer gap works both ways. president obama, president clinton, it is difficult for democratic candidates to win men much the way it is difficult for republican candidates to win women. in the case of clinton, she may be the democrats mitt romney in 2016. what evidence is it that she connects with all women? i don t know how good a candidate she ll be. it s one answer we have to wait for. how good a candidate will hillary clinton be? she has the name i.d., credentials f. she s great she walks away. if she s okay, it s close. it s a terrible summer of unforced errors for her in the book tour. terrible. okay. that was a late hit. to this one. 15 yards. 49-39 among women. my question is do you know why it s important? here s the answer before kellyanne gets back. there are more women than men so the gender gap on the women s side is lethal. not only that there are more women than men but women go out and vote. women go to the poll and vote on the issues that matter. what i like and find interesting. i know what people think about karl rove. i m a fan. we have talked about it before. i think he s a brilliant strategist. i watched him work. i personally witnessed him go out with george bush and work hard for the african-american vote. regardless of people say the increase bush got was negligible a 3% increase in the african-american vote is a big deal. i like the poll did you vote for bush? i think he got he once, not twice. first or second? when everyone was worried about the vote for the first or second time. i don t remember. would you vote for him again? when i was worried about terrorism, i saw the massacre in russia. i saw those children could have been mine. george bush was my man. the hanl out of the poll is that the republican party keep s doing autopsies on lots of things. how do we get white women to vote for us. how does the republican party get anyone that s not a white man to vote for them. in 2014 we have a poll that shows among women voters, republicans favored to run the congress, 37% want the congress in republican hands and 51% of women, a real majority want the democrats. explain that. is that caricature. not at all. they are probably going to vote for their incumbents. particularly in the house if they are republicans chances are that individual s connection with that woman and his or her performance on the job will trump party i.d. on the senate side it s fascinating. 2014 is incredible. you have female republics ded republicans . i bet you that mary landrieu, kay hagan and michelle nunn, three female democrats in the south are not going to run on the war on women, anti-woman republican meme. how can they do that? georgia, louisiana and north carolina. they re not talking not that it s the only issue. they don t talk about abortion rights down south. right? right. let me ask you this profound thing. you are fighting a number. 51-37. that s a huge change. it seems women i look at people like joanie ernst. i bet she ll do better among men. that s odd. people vote ideology not gender. correct. you have an african-american senator from south carolina who s a republican. yes. people you have our friend michael steele running in maryland. in our state, yes. he got blown away by the african-americans. they killed him because he s a republican. one of the things we have to look at and kellyanne is my favorite pollster, we have used her. we have to look at the browning of the country. if you look at how voters, the democrats of the republican woman who votes republican. most are married. most are white. most live in upper middle class families. the country is browning. you are seeing fewer white women just like you are anywhere else. and not getting married. they are not getting married. economic issues, the democratic party looks friendlier. i agree. people that go to church a lot, married tend to be republican. those who aren t married, don t go to church a lot tend to be democratic. kellyanne, please come back. we have so much to talk about. great conversation. i almost got a word in there. up next, a word to the wise for rick perry. if you have been indicted on criminal charges you should probably know what the charges arement another oops from the man from texas. this is hardball, the place for politics. one day, machines will be sprayed to be made. and making something stronger. will mean making it lighter. one day, factories will work with the cloud. one day. is today. tigers, both of you. tigers? don t be modest. i see how you ve been investing. setting long term goals. diversifying. dip! you got our attention. we did? of course. you re type e well, i have been researching retirement strategies. well that s what type e s do. welcome home. taking control of your retirement? e trade gives you the tools and resources to get it right. are you type e ? you owned your car for four you named it brad. you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends. three jobs. you re like nothing can replace brad! then liberty mutual calls. and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement, we ll pay for a car that s a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. when folks think about wthey think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that s not a coincidence. it s one more part of our commitment to america. will you be a sound sleeper, or a mouth breather? a mouth breather! [ whimpers ] how do you sleep like that? well, put on a breathe right strip and shut your mouth. allergy medicines open your nose over time, but add a breathe right strip and pow! it instantly opens your nose up to 38% more. so you can breathe and do the one thing you want to do sleep. add breathe right to your allergy medicine. shut your mouth and sleep right. breathe right. back to hardball. time for the sideshow. president obama can t be happy, nor are most people, that burger king is moving to canada to avoid taxes. but the deal has the financial backing of his political ally warren buffett who previously backed the doctrine of tax fairness. david letterman weighed in on the controversy. take a look. burger king is moving to canada. they think it is a tax dodge. the if they move to canada and they bought up the donut place tim hortons, now the government isn t happy about it. president obama isn t happy. look at what happened when he heard that burger king was moving to canada. watch this. financed by billionaire warren buffett, burger king will purchase canadian donut chain tim hortons in order to avoid paying american taxes. upon hearing about the deal president obama immediately took back warren buffett s medal of freedom. [ applause ] more news after this. next up, speculation this week that the u.s. led fight against isis in iraq could expand into syria led many to point out a move could put us on the same side as bashar al assad blurring the lines of which side we are on. here is jon stewart reacting to that. could you see as crazy as it might sound some sort of covert cooperation between the u.s. and the syrian regime of al assad in damascus? you know, it is [ bleep ] like this that makes you almost regret us destabilizing the region in the first place. i get it now. now we find ourselves trapped between iraq and assad place. are [ cheers and applause ] finally, if there is one thing we learned about former presidential candidate rick perry during the 2012 campaign it was that he doesn t have the best memory. who can forget the oops heard around the world. the third agency of government, i would do away with education, the um commerce. commerce. and let s see. oh, my. i can t. the third one i can t. i m sorry. oops. that was a small oops. anyway, it seems the recently indicted governor of texas has forgotten which criminal charges have been filed against him. according to abc news he told a group of business leaders in new hampshire over the weekend that, quote, i have been indict bid the same body now for, i think, two counts. one on bribery, which i m not a lawyer so i don t really understand the details here. well, in fact, the charges do not include bribery at all. perry has been indicted for, quote, abuse of official capacity and coercion. you ought to know what you are being charged with. if you are talking about taking down the president make sure nobody is recording you. senator mcconnell caught on tape. that s next. you re watching hardball, the place for politics. thank you daddy for defending our country. thank you for your sacrifice and thank you for your bravery. thank you colonel. thank you daddy. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance can be one of them. if you re a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. let that phrase sit with you for a second. unlimited. as in, no limits on your hard-earned cash back. as in no more dealing with those rotating categories. the quicksilver card from capital one. unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase, every day. don t settle for anything less. i ll keep asking. what s in your wallet? and cialis for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment is right. cialis is also the only daily ed tablet approved to treat symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or any allergic reactions like rash, hives, swelling of the lips, tongue or throat, or difficulty breathing or swallowing, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis for daily use and a free 30-tablet trial. hi. i m frances rivera. president obama says russian s ongoing incursion into ukraine will bring more costs and consequences for moscow. russia has stepped up military intervention inside ukraine. u.s. air forces targeted a tank, a humvee and other vehicles near the mosul dam. police say there is a strong possibility the body found is that of a 23-year-old american student from new jersey. he disappeared friday while hiking with a friend. comedian joan rivers is in a hospital after suffering complications of throat surgery. according to e news she s in stable but critical condition. thrill-seeking surfers have been hitting the waves but tropical storm marie has caused flooding and damage on the california coast. life guards rescued dozens from the water. then we take you back to hardball. welcome back to hardball. kentucky republican mitch mcconnell was are recently recorded bragging at a koch brothers retreat in california about what he ll do to destroy president obama s legislative accomplishment if he become it is the senate majority leader. mcconnell is currently in the political fight of his life in kentucky. he promises to use the budget process to defund things like the affordable care act itself. nbc news is not independently verified the voice on the audio but the recording was taken from the left-leaning youtube source called the undercurrent. let s listen. we re going to go after them on health care, on financial services, on the virlt tall protection agency across the board. all across the federal government, we re going to go after it and we are not going to be debating all these gosh darn proposals. that s all we do in the senate is vote on things like raising the minimum wage cost the country 500,000 new jobs. extending unemployment. that s the great message for retirees. the student loan package the other day. that s just going to make things worse. these people believe in all the wrong things. when the audio is that bad you know it s worth listening to. somebody snuck in the recorder. politicians get into trouble when they think they are addressing a small group of similar-minded people. remember mitt romney and the 47%? here it is again. same problem. 47% of the people who vote for the president, agree with him. 47% are dpen dend upon government who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe they are entitled to health care, food, housing, you name it. it s entitlement. that the government should give it to them. they will vote for this president no matter what. the negative messages the candidates are sending behind closed doors that get caught never play well when they are made public. jonathan ways man is is with the new york times and perry bacon is a political news reporter. the rule was don t say anything in politics unless you are ready to see it on the front page of the newspaper. right. that s a caution a lot of them can t abide by when they get in front of fat cats they are trying to kiss. exactly. it usually requires an exclusive cute deal that i will do something for you that will offend other people. let me whisper it when nobody is listening. your thoughts. this is a bipartisan problem. these are the donors backing you up. backing up the party. you feel you need to give them something. the mcconnell campaign said this is something he says all the time. this is not his stump speech. this is what he was telling a group of donors that s not just bank rolling mitch mcconnell but all the candidates that would make him the senate majority leader next year. this was the koch brothers? right. not just americans for prosperity. this was a koch brothers conclave for the whole afp, just universe of koch brothers people that wanted their money s worth. the audio always sucks because it means somebody snuck a cell phone in or a bartender. let s look at the bartender. we showed that one already. this is one from catching the democrats. this is the president of the united states in 2008 talking to a bunch of liberals in san francisco telling them we don t have to worry about lower level people who need guns and bibles. people have been beaten down so long that they feel so betrayed by government. let s pardon them that they get bitter and cling to guns, religion or antipathy toward people who aren t like them. as a way to explain their frustrations. the president lost the pennsylvania primary by nine points. in 1984 colorado senator gary hart was in a tight nomination fight with former vice president walter mondale over california and new jersey when he stepped into it, too, in front of a private audience in california. he described what it was like campaigning apart from his wife. the deal is we campaign separately. the good news is she campaigns in california and i campaign in new jersey. i got to hold a koala bear. mrs. hart said i won t tell you what i got to hold samples from a toxic waste dump. hart lost new jersey by over 15 points. they don t like to be called the solid waste types. it must have worked with the community in california. you never want to say something you would not say in public. obama would never talk about religious people like that in public. romney would never say that. i think mcconnell got away here because he said he ll block things obama is doing. that s not news. it was a total destruction. he said something similar to politico, laying out the idea for attaching anti-obama stuff to spending bills. he talked about it already in some ways. i wasn t shocked. let me go back. do you know what i think the news is? when talking to the koch brothers they are not interested in a mix of progressive here, but mostly conservative here. they want an end to government because they are in the oil and gas business. all they want is no more taxes and certainly no more environmental regulation. they want no more government. that s what the koch brothers want. i think go ahead. i think what s most significa significant, believe me is the optics of it. what you will do is see these audiotapes super imposed over a picture of mitch mcconnell looking mean. you will see them in october in the run-up. it feels like he didn t say anything particularly outlandish. it s not going to look good on an advertisement. how would you find a picture of mitch mcconnell looking mean? i have no idea. you re playing down your own scoop. good work here. perry, thank you. a programming note. allison lundergan grimes will talk to lawrence o donnell tonight on the last word. her first national interview. don t miss it tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern. we ll be right back. age? [ male announcer ] that s why there s ocuvite to help replenish key eye nutrients. ocuvite has a unique formula not found in your multivitamin to help protect your eye health. ocuvite. help protect your eye health. i got this., whenever you re ready. ocuvite. no, i ll get it! let me get it. ah uh, i don t want you to pay for this. it s not happening, honey. let her get it. she got her safe driving bonus check from allstate last week. and it s her treat. what about a tip? here s one.get an allstate agent. nice! switch today and get two safe driving bonus checks a year for driving safely. only from allstate. call 866-788-0900 now. hold on man, is that a leak up there? that s a drip. now that s a leak. that is a leak! and if you don t have allstate renters insurance. game over. protect your valuables from things like water damage for as low as $4 a month when you add renter s insurance to your allstate auto policy. call 866-788-0900 now. and, if you re a safe driver, you can save up to 45%! just a few more ways, allstate is changing car insurance for good. call an allstate agent and get a quote now. hey, i heard you guys can help me with frog protection? sure, we help with fraud protection. if there are unauthorized purchases on your discover card, you re never held responsible. you are saying frog protection ? fraud. fro-g. frau-d. i think we re on the same page. at discover, we treat you like you d treat you. fraud protection. get it at discover.com press your tonguenture, against it like this. it moves unlike natural teeth. do you feel it? it can happen with every denture. introducing new fixodent plus true feel. it helps keep dentures firmly in place. with a smooth formula, free of flavors and colorants. so you get a closer feeling to natural teeth. new fixodent plus true feel. fixodent. and forget it. republicans are fighting hard to keep their spots. the latest poll has scott walkerer down by two the points to his democratic challenger mary burke. it s burke 49, walker 47. a similar story in michigan where governor snyder is trailing former democratic congressman mark schauer 45-43. a close one. look at what s happening in pennsylvania. the latest poll from franklin and marshall has governor tom corbett trounced by 25 points. tom wolf, 49ment the democratic challenger. the incumbent, 24%. can t get much lower than that. we ll be right back. [ male announcer ] it s one of the most amazing things we build and it doesn t even fly. we build it in classrooms and exhibit halls, mentoring tomorrow s innovators. we build it raising roofs, preserving habitats and serving america s veterans. every day, thousands of boeing volunteers help make their communities the best they can be. building something better for all of us. we re back with a gun range story. it confirmed the death was caused by a single shot to the head. the instructor at the bullets and burgers gun range was shot when the girl lost control of an uzi. it ignited new debate over gun safety. the fact that the recall is too strong for a child of that age seems a matter of common sense. it was reminiscent of a 2008 incident in which an 8-year-old boy in massachusetts fired the very same weapon with disastrous results. the gun tilted up, killing him in the process. unfortunately these tragedies are part of a bigger problem in the country which has seen an erosion of gun restrictions over the past 30 years. unsurprisingly the national rifle association has been con speck lousily silent since that event. for years the nra raised money on the notion that any restrictions on guns will lead to their confiscation which they call a slip vi slope. but there is a slippery slope on the other side toward complete unrestricted access to firearms. guns are ubiquitous thanks to advocacy of the nra. joining me is jim cavanaugh, retired atf special agent in charge and chief johnson of the national law enforcement partnership to prevent gun violence and police chief of baltimore county, maryland. thank you. i want to speak to mr. cavanaugh first. what is it about the nra s current position that seems to the allow them or force them to say nothing this these days since the tragedy where the young 9-year-old girl was shooting an automatic weapon. chris, i would say that lobby groups like the nra don t feel they have to say anything. today tuck in, get advice from the public affairs specialist to just stay out of the fray. you know they are very adept at maneuvering the trenches on the hill up there as you are know. they will probably stay out of the fray. if they say anything they something. i think they ll let it play out for the operators and ranges around the country. you know, there s associations for them. and they re going to be more the outfront speakers on the issue. does silence mean consent? well it often does in law. well, i think it does as far as they don t want to go any way against guns at all, no matter what. and that s what you described in your opening there. it s sort of a fanaticism and doesn t go to any moderation in anything. you know, it has to be one way or the highway and that s the way the lobby groups see it. they see it as just an idealism fanaticism with no compromise at all. what do you make of the no comment, mr. johnson, not even the words, no comment, nothing, just nothing. i mean, this involves guns. you know, uzi, a pretty dangerous weapon, is an automatic weapon. it s light. it s a submachine gun basically. and everybody with it can do a lot of damage. we saw what happened here. a lot of damage, unintended. totally unintended. it was the gun that killed people here. not just the person. certainly it s irresponsible on the part of organizations like nra not to speak out. it s, frankly, irresponsible to put an uzi of that capability in the hands of a 9-year-old. for groups like the nra who have been founded upon, you know, gun safety and range and the sport, itself, you know, putting a ruger .22 in the hands, for example, of someone to train them is totally different than putting a gun of that capability in a 9-year-old s hands. totally irresponsible. let me ask you, mr. cavanaugh, what would be a restriction that would make sense here? i know everything they see sounds like confiscation to them, the slippery slope. here we are at the other end has become a slippery slope. anything goes. from what you said, it sounds like they don t want to hear that you can have an age requirement, say 18, something reasonable about being able to handle an automatic weapon. that would be pretty liberal. they don t even want to see that at these gun ranges. right. i don t think you re going to see any lobby groups get in the press for any change here. they re going to stay out of the fray. it would generally be up to the sta states, chris, if there were any laws that talked about ages a gun ranges, and likely states that would pass the law don t need the law. and the states that need the law won t pass the law. and it s unlikely that we re going to have any change on the hill, and probably federal law wouldn t be the right place to address ages on guns anyway. so i d say we re not going to have any legislative change, although it would probably be good if little children were, couldn t do that, but the children need protection immediately. that s where common sense comes in. that s where range operators have to say we re not going to do this anymore. we ve had two deaths, they shouldn t be shooting these kinds of guns. they re submachine guns for the military, for the police, for trained people that collect them, certainly we understand that. in the citizens hands that have a permit for it. but not for children. it s not disneyland. you don t need to go out there shooting those kinds of weapons. chief johnson, seems to me even a fire hose had a kick to it. you need a couple serious firefighters to know how to handle one. an automatic weapon like this, what kind of kick does it have? what kind of sense would anybody have i don t want to speak over the dead. this guy s dead. the idea of putting something like that in the hands of a skinny little girl. a 9-year-old girl. doesn t make any sense at all to anybody, right wing, left wing, down the middle. i don t get it. well, certainly common sense should have been applied here, and the muscular development of a child of that age certainly is not to the point to handle that weapon. look, as a nation, we implement all sorts of different rules, policies, and laws in some cases to safeguard children and others. have to be a certain height to ride an amusement ride park. require bike helmets. but yet we won t tackle an issue like this. certainly here i think common sense should have prevailed. you know, we pass common sense laws in this nation. we re seeking common sense gun laws like a national background check. but in this case, you know, i don t care what type of rule, policies you may have put in place, or the way the range instructor hovered over the child. there s very little you can do with, you have a kid with that kind of weapon in their hands. that thing s going everywhere. here s a crazy law in vermont, which i thought was a pretty liberal state. apparently you can get a gun at 16, you can buy a handgun or a shotgun at 16 but have to be 17 to see an r rated movie. interesting how we make these judgments. thank you, jim cavanaugh, thank you jim johnson for joining us. another tragedy. and we ll be right back after this. e freedom of the open road? a card that gave you that i m 16 and just got my first car feeling. presenting the buypower card from capital one. redeem earnings toward part or even all of a new chevrolet, buick, gmc or cadillac - with no limits. so every time you use it, you re not just shopping for goods. you re shopping for something great. learn more at buypowercard.com if energy could come from anything?. or if power could go anywhere? or if light could seek out the dark? what would happen if that happens? anything. then you don t know aarp .e trip when you think aarp, get inspired with aarp travel. plan and book your trip online and get hot travel tips from the pros. find more real possibilities at aarp.org/possibilities. why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? this is the age of knowing what you re made of. talk to your doctor about viagra. ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain. .it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. side effects include headache, flushing, upset stomach, and abnormal vision. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than four hours. stop taking viagra and call your doctor right away if you experience a sudden decrease or loss in vision or hearing. this is the age. .of taking action. viagra. talk to your doctor. let me finish tonight with people who speak with forked tongue. you know, the old tv shows, the american indian would accuse the white man of speaking with a forked tongue. well, apparently according to webster s dictionary, it really is a genuine american-indian term. means being deceitful. means lying. it always struck me it meant saying one thing while intending another, like all the promises made to the indian tribes while the real loyalty was to those who wanted the indians land. well, this is what politicians do. not too many years ago they could sly get away with it. there was one in louisiana who would go into a catholic area and suggest he was raised catholic, then into a baptist area to imply the same thing about that religion. can t do that anymore. why? someone in the room is going to have a cell phone or some other piece of electronics and get you on the record and send it out even if, especially if, that s the last thing you want done. how do we know that barack obama talked to the liberals of san francisco about the people who, quote, cling to their guns or religion? because someone had a cell phone and put it out. and we know what he said. how do we know that mitt romney was talking down to the 47% he said lived off the rest of the country? because a bartender record it. don t you love this stuff, when a politician gets caught pandering to one group while putting down the other to have the other group learn what he was saying behind closed doors. it shouldn t surprise us, none of this. why do you think the press out of political fund-raisers? they don t want us or the public to hear what it is they re throwing out when they re throwing out the raw meat.
as a nation, we are united and when people harm americans, we don t retreat, we don t forget. we take care of those who are grieving and when that is finished, they should know we will follow them to the gates of hell until they are brought to justice, because hell is where they will reside! hell is where they will reside! all right. mika, boy, what joe biden said yesterday, very strong. i m sure a lot of people, a lot of republicans on capitol hill have been calling for stronger words. it might take some of that. what do you think? i think he is tapping into a growing sentiment in a country that might be war weary but certainly is not impervious what we have seen the last two weeks. sounds likes the guns of war across america. you heard the vice president saying america would follow isis to the gates of he he ll to get justice. the secretary of state says they don t want to contain is circumstances, they want to destroy isis. you know what is happening here, they are hearing from constituents who are concerned and you also know, because they are politicians, internal polling, obviously, showing americans want action now. kay hagan she joined john graham and lindsey graham late night in a debate. al franken sent a terse letter to the white house calling for military action and they were not alone. but you know what? there were more developments, i think, mika, yesterday that weren t driven by political poles. the indianapolunited arab emira out. they are going to support america in any military action taken against isis. also the iraqi parliament. you know what would have happened if we shot first and then asked questions later. now they are begging us to take action. while it s one thing to have kay hagan calling for a stronger use of force, americans asking questions first and shooting missiles later may actually lead to our country not having to go it alone again. yes. as we protect other country survival. i got a question this morning and i hope it s a question my republican friends will ask and i hope it s a question john mccain and lindsey graham both will ask. i hope it s a question that everybody who is calling for immediate action will ask for. it s one thing for kay hagan to say we need to move now and i m angry at the president of the united states. how about this question? where is egypt? where is saudi arabia? where is jordan and where are the countries whose very existence american fire power against isis is dependent? that s what i want republicans asking. that s what i want these new democratic war hawks asking. if the united states is going to go after isis and destroy them, and we are, let s not go it alone again, and let s not, once again, spend american blood and american treasure protecting other tyrant s power. let s go right now to chris jansing who is traveling with with the president in wales. chris, the administration not ambiguous yesterday. it was seek, search, and send to the gates of hell. tell us what is going on there. yeah, you re going to pay that was the message, right? and what a difference a couple of years makes from the last nato summit. this is high stakes. i just was listening to the secretary of state general of nate tow saying we are not a cold war relic, we are involved. i saw the president going into a multilateral meeting with leaders. ukraine is not a member of nato but another high on the list of what to do here which is what to do about vladimir putin. but look. there s a lot that hasn t been done with nato. they have been sort of deescalating for a while. a couple of years ago the talk was how do we get out of afghanistan and spending less money. there are 28-member countries and four of them contribute what they are supposed to contribute which is 2% of the gdp so they are pushing for that and pushing for a rapid response force, about 4,000 troops they would have that would respond to a crisis within 48 hours. but i think to your point, joe, it s important to say that isis and what to do about the rise of extremism wasn t even officially on the agenda. we now know there are going to be a number of sides, there was a little bit of time already morning for president obama and david cameron to meet. the folks who were close enough said there was a lot of whispering going on. we don t know what was said. but there is a rising sense of insecurity here as there is around the world and particularly when it relates to isis. you see the foreign fighters and the possibility of them coming back to the homeland whether here in the uk or europe or in the united states. has put this on the agenda in a way it wasn t before, joe and mika. thank you so much, chris. greatly appreciate it. this is getting to widespread that you have turkey and qatar have not been the most helpful in this fight. turkey had what is called the jihadist highway, you know, any foreign fighters that wanted to join isis, you know, directly through turkey. they are now even joining in and trying to shut down the jihadist highway. yes. it s like a bell was rung last over the last day or two and the world is suddenly, pow. it s megahow the rhetoric has coalesced around this. how long will that last? they are talking tough right now. when president obama initially started talking tough and isis is a cancer and all of these things, my initial question is he just trying to look as if he is doing more than he really is? now it feels as if there is more of a momentum but the question this is going to be a very long that will involve building a coalition and holding the coalition for years. what are you going to do? there is more news on this. new details with steven sotlof sotlof, the second journalist to be beheaded. israeli reports say he faked being sick so he could fast on yom kippur. a debate on islam and gave a tribute to sotloff. steve had a gentle soul that this world will be without, but his spirit will endure in our hearts. today, we grieve. this week, we mourn. but we will emerge from this ordeal. our village is strong. we will not allow our enemies to hold us hostage with the sole weapons they possess, fear. the mother of james foley is speaking out, offering condolences to steven sotloff s family. diane foley says she hopes their murders can somehow lead to positive changes in the world. we just want to extend our deepest sympathy and hugs to the sotloff family, all of his dear friends and colleagues. steven was another talented, courageous young american out there trying to share all of their suffering of the people in the middle east with us. i would hope that their deaths might not be in vain, that they might awaken the world that we must act as a unified world for peace and for goodness and just work together. it was so wonderful having an opportunity to talk a beautiful family. to her and mr. foley. a wonderful and extraordinary family. wonderful gesture to come out of her mourning, which has to be so extraordinarily intense to try to do that. they are in a unlikely and terrible position and she is doing her best. she really is. harold ford, let s turn to what happened last night. kay hagan was in the debate. al franken in minnesota, if he is responding to constituents calls for military action, this is why it s spread. we had two republican, one pollster and one consultant, steve schmidt, who spends a good bit of his time, talking about like me what the republican party is not getting right and why they are going to lose elections. he said yesterday it s a wave election for republicans and internal polls have to be showing a big, big break. what does the president have to do? he s god to keep his head here and not just shoot missiles into the desert. what does he do? do you support this path of slow and steady and waiting for arab countries to ask america to get involved, or does he have to act faster? i think any president, including this one, has to act to protect the interests of the country, and i give the president some credit in being sober and smart and trying to be reasonable about this. i mean, you think about the doctrine where you identify the threat and the forces behind it to achieve your goal and you re able to exit. i think the president is trying to think about it in those ways. colin powell, by the way, let s forget about the slip on friday where he said we didn t have a strategy. if colin powell were president of the united states or secretary of defense or what we wouldn t be rushing into war, because you re exactly right. powell identifies a threat but before he sends the first troop in, he says we need to know what the exit date is. he got pushed in 2003. and never get pushed gep. i think president obama is trying to do that. his language has been awkward and at times maybe dangerous. you look at al franken and kay hag hagan, they probably represent different spectrums of the party. i think for them to be the way they are i think it s the president talking about what it is. i don t think the polling shows yet that these issues rank foremost on people s mind in all of these battleground states. i imagine if i al franken and kay hagan up for re-election you want to be in front of this as you possible could. the other major foreign conflict is russia and we will focus on that in our must reads. new developments there. in a few hours, the justice department will announce a sweeping civil rights investigation into the city s police department. they will look at the conduct of the ferguson p.d. over several years. in the last five years the justice department has opened 20 investigations of police departments across the country. true to her message. senator elizabeth warren is openly criticizing former house majority leader eric cantor s decision to take a multimillion dollar job on wall street. cantor will be the vice chairman and managing director of an investment bank, earning more than $3 million over two years. in an interview with yahoo! s katie couric, warren says it sends a bad message. you know, how wrong can this be? that basically what is happening here is that people work in washington and, man, they hit that revolving door with a speed that would blind you and head straight out into the industry, not because they bring great expertise and insight, but because they are selling excess back to their former colleagues who are still writing policy, who are still making laws. makes sense, right? the democratic senator was a little less blunt, however, when she was asked about hillary clinton s relationship with the financial industry. i m curious if you think that hillary clinton is too cozy with wall street? i know you ve disagreed with her in the past on issues like bankruptcy, legislation. you know, i worry a lot about the relationship between all of our regulators, government, and wall street. what about hillary clinton in particular? i worry across the board and here is part of why. we have got a washington now that works for anyone who can hire armies of lobbyists and lawyers, and it doesn t work for regular families. families don t have armies of lobbyists, they don t have armies of lawyers. and that is why i think it s so critical now that we speak up on these core issues. so very interesting, joe. i want your take. when it s a republican, it s bad, it sends a bad message. when it s a democrats, she is worried. worried. she s in a bad position. listen, if you re going to be a straight shooter. she should say it s not good. if you re going to be a straight shooter, you got to be a straight shooter. what is wrong with her saying, you know what? it s not good. her relationship raiseses a lot of questions. she gets paid a lot of money by a lot of these banks and then tells them that what they did is okay. with the hillary team, like, close in on her? she went down to goldman sachs and told them everything you did was fine, which was great. i d do that because i ve been trying to a job and begging for a job there for years now. who did? hillary. elizabeth didn t. she didn t. yes, she did. she went down and basically waived the wand of absolution toward them. you have to be a straight shooter for republicans and democrats alike. i think joe is right. if you re that critical. i agree. mrs. clinton represented new york state which is the home to the headquarters for the financial service industry. okay. i understand. her and chuck schumer the fact they stand up people in new york lost a lot of money in their pensions in the bust of 2008 and elizabeth warren supposed to be worried about them, should be worried about them. we have more politics to get to. scott brown in new hampshire and major news out of kansas and get to that in a bit. three-hour show. major news out of kansas? yes. what happened? what is the matter with kansas tell me! it s a tease. my father is not in kansas. he is here to talk to us. doctors zbigniew brzezinski will join us and tony blinken and andrea mitch and ayman mohyeldin. how do get your kids in a ivy league college of your choice? i can get them into alabama. actually, 20 years ago i could but not now. the latest on the condition of comedienne joan rivers. a brush with death off the coast. we will be right back. don t just dream of being the hero. make it happen. i can t believe we re missing the game for this. we re not i ve got xlte. it doubles our 4g lte bandwidth in cities nationwide, so be that guy with verizon xlte. now get 1gb of bonus data, and our best pricing ever on the more everything plan. thomas? look who is here. he is ready for the open today. are you going to the open? i am. i think so. if i can stay awake. i ve never been you wanted there. i ve lived in new york city now for 73 years, and i ve never been out to the u.s. open. i thought it was 72? no, 73. i was there when the guys were wearing skirts and, you know? really? i don t want to see that. you ll have fun. do you play tennis? i do. i m quite aggressive. that doesn t surprise me. and i hear your father cheats. he would never say he cheats. was it in? out. i think that was in. right on the line. mine. that s not surprising at all. let s take a look at the morning papers from our parade of papers. the boston globe two kayakers lucky to be alive after surviving a great white shark attack in plymouth, massachusetts. paddles and i looked over to talk to her and it came completely out of the water and got the bottom of the boat and flipped her over and knocked my my kayak completely over. i saw at least four feet of its head. four feet of it came up out of the water. it bit through the boat. bite marks through the bottom of the kayak. my gosh. both of them so traumatized by the shark attack they had to hold the beachside press conference for four and a half hours. what else do we have? stop! they were scared! i know. if i survived a shark attack i probably am not going in front of a bank of cameras but i d go home. the attack came after hours officials say they heard of a shark sighting in the same area and it was near ducksbury, massachusetts. the shark was between 12 and 14 feet long. that s big. this is exciting coming to us from the dallas morning news. tesla motors. you got your driver s license! no, i passed my precertification. i m there with every 15-year-old in america. are you kidding me? you don t have your driver s license and just got your precertification? i went to driver s ed in new york city and we watched dvds from 1994. they said if you had road rage, you put it in an audio tape. what do you do? did you right around on a bicycle in baltimore when you were 18? no. i got my license when i was a kid. then when i moved to california, i let my license conspirexpire. when you call california saying i want a new license, they can t send it to you. can you send it to new york? they said no. now you have to prequalify to take a test? yeah, i need my mom to come here and bring me a car. mommy, can you come take me? and a tesla as well? this car is great for people who can drive cars? and afford one. tesla making this big announcement, a plan to build a battery factory in nevada. i say nevada, you say nevada. it s a gigafactory and produce the batteries expected to make the batteries for the tesla car. if you ve seen these cars on the road, they are good looking cars and they are really cool. 4 to 5 billion is about as much mike bloomberg makes on a long weekend. no. that is about in one hour. get his numbers right. he gets upset. former mayor michael bloomering will return to the lead the company he founded. throughout his tenure as mayor, bloomberg maintained 88% ownership of the organization. detroit free press. protests over fast food workers are supposed to be across the country. they are will be targeted by demonstrators from the fight for 15 campaign. they want a pay increase up to $15 an hour. if you see them, walk with them. or just go in and buy a big mac. guys, seriously, this is ridiculous. i m serious. i haven t had a big mac in a long time. joan rivers is resting comfortably in a private room in mt. sinai hospital in new york. she breathing during a throat procedure. thoughts are with her for sure. certainly. the guinness world record sold in seattle. this hot dog features a bratwurst topped with beef and shaved black truffles and cav r caviar. the creators sold six dogs during his first day on the menu and all proceeds went to charity and customers looking for a bite of the dog must give two weeks advance notice. i think that s a foot long. i think i m sick. yeah. i ve got a plan. why don t we do this. you can have a big mac. no. i m just ignoring him. and you can support what the marches are doing outside so we will compromise on that. thank you. you should support the marchers. but then go in and have a big mac. the more big macs you buy the better the mcdonald s can afford to pay them more. did you hear our friend nicolle wallace is going to the view. i m so excited for her for so many reasons! she deserved it and she is going to be great and she is going to add so much to the show! it is such great news. way to go abc. how smart? off the mid terms of 2016. she is going to be fantastic! we will have her on and talk all about it. she is coming on friday. i m responsible for the shoes she wore at the audition. can you get me some shoes? coming up, the cost of taking on isis. is the obama foreign policy stretching the u.s. too thin? the new york times david sanger joins us with his behind the scenes reporting on that. first, today s must read opinion pages, including one from president obama and prime minister david cameron. we will be right back with much more morning joe. when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that s not a coincidence. it s one more part of our commitment to america. [ girl ] my mom, she makes underwater fans that are powered by the moon. she can print amazing things, right from her computer. [ whirring ] [ train whistle blows ] she makes trains that are friends with trees. my mom works at ge. oh, he fakes a handoff quaand he s making a run... for mattress discounters fall kickoff sale! right now, save up to $300 on sealy posturepedic and serta mattress sets. even get 24 months interest-free financing on every tempur-pedic. you re going to love their football field-size selection. this calls for a little touchdown dance. don t miss the fall kickoff sale at mattress discounters. mattress discounters mike barnicle joins the table for the must read opinion pages. vladimir putin has laid out a proposal to end the conflict in eastern ukraine. that s so nice of him. it s perfect. it s great. the timing is so interesting. the new york times reports the seven-point plan to deescalate months of bloody stalemate was apparently written out during a flight over siberia. he had on to dropped two reporters who had written something bad about him from 30,000 feet from the plane and went back to do the draft. he is multitasker. he can kick somebody out of the pl plane and kill them at the same time. as they consider a rapid response unit for eastern europe and another round of economic sanctions. meanwhile, another sign of weakening russian influence in europe. france has decided not to send 1.7 billion dollar amphibious warship manufactured for russia after coming under pressure from the united states. they say the behavior has under mined the security of the continent. our first must read is about putin s little document that he wrote up on his plane. putinesque cease-fire wall street journal. it s no accident mr. putin has floated this cease-fire plan before the nato summit in wales and before the eu discusses broader sanctions on russia on friday. mr. putin hopes to forestall sanctions and divide the west a strategy that has worked before. ukraine will not mr. putin s last military destination. i mean, are they really going to fall for this at nato in terms of dealing with sanctions? are we going to say, oh, thank you so much, you ve written this lovely that is ridiculous. gideon, i don t know what the options are for a lot of the eu countries. require some action. i think the nato countries are actually probably red-lined for putin. this wall street journal editorial talks about how putin uses kazakhstan is not really a country. i think my take is that putin s mainly got what he wants now. he has eastern ukraine where the russian speaker majority is and where the country s industrial base is. and with that, he basically has ukraine destabilized and weakened and that is all that matters to him. if he thinks, mika, like a politician, even a brudish politician. if he goes into kiev there will be a lot more pain for the russian people. i think he is where he is. let s talk about an op-ed written by david cameron who has been very forceful towards isis and also the president. mike barnicle has that. they are writing the times of london today we will not be coward by barbaric killers whether regional aggression unchecked or prospect that foreign fighters have a threat in our country. our nations have always believed that we are more prosperous and secure when the world is more pros purse and secure. so we have a real stake in making sure they grow up in a world where schoolgirls are not kidnapped and women are not raped in conflict and families aren t slaughtered because of their faith and political beliefs. that is why we have des core al qaeda and supported the afghan people and why we will not waiver in our determination to confront isil. it is interesting, joe, over the past couple of months how what has happened in the middle east with isil has altered really the dynamics of the political and economic dynamics of two countries and more, great britain and the united states specifically. it really has. but i ll tell you something else it s done. i m looking on the international page of the new york times. they talk about hamas, look at this. walking around claiming victory in a completely destroyed area. wow. this has also changed the calculation for groups like hamas, and they were feeling the noose tightened around their neck because of egypt and other arab countries withdrawing sport. the silence was deafing during the latest battle in the middle east war. because of isis you actually have arab countries starting to strike out against radical islamists. this is bad news for isis and also bad news for hamas. i would agree. thank you, harold ford. they are saying one thing in my ear. i ll let your dad answers if he thinks we should announce they won t be accepted in nato. i m curious to hear his reaction. one time he listens to alex in his ear he blows through it. i did but then i told them i couldn t take it. here is the deal. we have him on the show. kind of a big deal. but they did send me a t-sitter saying i m a big deal. mike allen that has report. president obama vowed a commitment to protect eastern europe from russia but can the united states sustain their presence there and two other parts of the world? the new york times david sanger is our guest and he talks about the three-headed monster confronting president obama. that is coming up. we know we re not the center of your life, but we ll do our best to help you connect to what is. hello! three grams daily of beta-glucan. a soluable fiber from whole grain oat foods like cheerios can help lower cholesterol. thank you! take and. exhale.in. aflac! and a gentle wavelike motion. aahhh- ahhhhhh. liberate your spine, ahhh-ahhhhhh aflac! and reach, toes blossoming. not that great at yoga. yeah, but when i slipped a disk he paid my claim in just four days. ahh! four days? yep. find out how fast aflac can pay you, at aflac.com. we will defend our nato allies and that means every ally. in this alliance, there are no old members or new members and no junior partners or senior partners. they are just allies. i believe our alliance should extend these defensive measures for as long as necessary. because the defense of tallin and others are just as important as the defense of berlin and paris and london. here with us now from washington is national security correspondent for the new york times david sanger. he writes in his piece this morning with his speech in estonie estonia on wednesday about the as a result nes vulnerable nations will last for as long as necessary to deter russia. president obama has now committed the country to three significant projection of american power. as david reports, it seems to cost a great deal of money. it did. david sanger, thank you so much for being with us. when i sasat on the armed servi committee we obsessed on being able to fight a two-front war. did we have the power and manpoman d manpower to fight a two-man war. it s not only expensive but it would stretch our military beyond its current capabilities, wouldn t it? it s a big stretch, joe. and beyond that, it s a stretch that nobody anticipated. remember. the concept in the first term was that the president would use drones, cyber, special forces and use those to deter adventurous major powers and you wouldn t have to have a big sustained presence. just think about the list that we put together in the lead that mika just read. it requires a lot of naval resources and no one doubts its long term because the chinese aren t going away. the isil effort is going to have to be a sustained one, particularly if we are concerned about putting ground troops on. so you re going to need an air campaign that, you know, is going to run up to probably a quarter billion dollars a month at the current rate. then if you need a sustained effort against vladimir putin who probably isn t going to leave office 2024, if then, that is a long commitment as well. there has been a lot of prrp leaders criticizing the president s so-called pivot to asia and it looks like he won t make that pivot any time soon with isil rise in the middle east. in many ways the pivot is hard to see right now, at least on the military side, because it requires the deployment of a new class of ships and a movement of resources that is going to take a while. but when you talk to the pentagon to the people who are doing it, it s slowly under way. now, isil could get in the way and putin could get in the way and people say we can t keep 60% of our forces, which is the target, in asia starting in about 2020 and, of course, you ll have another president to make a decision on that closer to the date. but it s headed in that direction. frankly, joe, when you think about all of these threats, it s china s rise over time that is probably the one that will require the most sustained attention. i m just wondering, and when you look at isis and the cost at 225 million $2 billion a year basically when you look at those numbers, the pentagon usually underestimates these things, what choice do we have? number one. how do they put a number on this? there s so much we still don t know about how to take on isis. that s right. it s very hard to put a number on it and in some ways the number is the least of it, mika. while $2 billion, $2.5 billion a year if you stay at this level, isn t that much when you think in the last years of the full presence in afghanistan, we were going through $100 billion a year. so on that scale, it s not that big but, remember, those are numbers, assuming we don t go after isis in syria and, of course, we all know that if you re actually serious about taking isis to the gates of hell, to use joe biden s line the other day, you re going to have to go to syria. david sanger, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. thank you, david. the problem is the pentagon always underestimates how much a war is going to cost. right now $2 billion a year doesn t sound right. if you re going into syria, if you re going to take isis to, quote, the gates of hell, that is going an expensive trip. the beauty store bandit. how one woman s request for a free makeover went horribly wrong. oh, my god. that s a makeover? that is news you can t use. up next the 50 ideas changing politics in america and the people behind them. politico has a list and we will explain the reason hillary is not on it. how did that happen? we will be right back. man: i know the name of eight princesses. i m on expert on softball. and tea parties. i ll have more awkward conversations than i m equipped for, because i m raising two girls on my own. i ll worry about the economy more than a few times before they re grown. but it s for them, so i ve found a way. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we re owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. ready to plan for your future? we ll help you get there. fill their bowl with the meaty tastes they re looking for, with friskies grillers. tender meaty pieces and crunchy bites. in delicious chicken, beef, turkey, and garden veggie flavors. friskies grillers. my motheit s delicious. toffee in the world. so now we ve turned her toffee into a business. my goal was to take an idea and make it happen. i m janet long and i formed my toffee company through legalzoom. i never really thought i would make money doing what i love. we created legalzoom to help people start their business and launch their dreams. go to legalzoom.com today and make your business dream a reality. at legalzoom.com we put the law on your side. great. this is the last thing i need.) seriously? let s take this puppy over to midas and get you some of the good ol midas touch. hey you know what? i ll drive! i really didn t think this through. brakes, tires, oil, everything. (whistling) republican scott brown is running for senate in new hampshire as you know. this video from a town hall in hudson released by an opposition research group shows brown react to go a question about how he would create jobs as a u.s. senator. here is the thing. when folks say, you know, what are you going to do to create jobs, i m not going to create a job. my job is to make sure that the government stays out of your way so you actually grow and expand and obama is a great example. the number one job right now is obamacare. a poll last knot month showed senator jeanne shaheen leading brown. that is getting closer. who knows what it s like the past week. we are seeing democrats scurrying to the right and taking a hawkish position. i suspect new hampshire, like a lot of other states, are tightening up. it s a jump ball right now. given scott brown s propensity for malappropriateness, jeanne shaheen has lived in new hampshire all her life and knows new hampshire. why is it a tie right now if that is the case? i think president obama is a big weight for a democrat to carry in new hampshire. all right. a big weight. let s go to politico. with us is the chief white house correspondent for politico, mike allen. politico is unveiling an annual list of key thinkers and doers who are reshaping politics in 2014. congratulations, joe! yeah. i m sure number one. and hillary is not in it, mike. why? maybe she is 51. politico magazine decided this year, rather than doing a traditional list of washington s powerful or rising stars, to do thinkers, people who, at a time when washington is locked up with gridlock and dysfunction, actually, are out promoting ideas. so that is why you find rand paul and ted cruz on this list. they are out actually, you ve got rand paul as number one. oh, my lord. explain. yeah. well, we have seen on this show, he has been talking about issues like justice reform, changing prison sentences and making it easier for people who have been convicted of small drug offenses, to get work again. whereas, hillary clinton has not been talking about idea. she had a whole book without ideas in it. being very safe. mika, you say good lord, but even mika is saying, wow, this guy is really interesting. number two. ambassador to main street you call her, janet yellin. explain. so the fed chairman who at the time when the fed used to be remote is now can talk a language that people understand and also is bringing a more populace view in the past. you talk about capital, a rock star. thomas piketty in a book very few have read. there have been some stats on that and how far into the book people comment, but he s someone would captured the debate about inequality. as you know, joe and mika, in 2016, whether you re on the right or whether you re on the left, this issue of income inequality is something every candidate will have to say something creative and convincing about. and let me just say it has a very compelling table of contents. as far as i got. no, i got a couple of chapters in. it s a compelling argument, not realistic how he is going to take care of the income divide but still very compelling. number four, ted cruz. ted cruz is someone who, not only wants to have his own think tank, is building a staff almost like he has a political organization, a government organization, and a think tank. he is someone who we saw this weekend in dallas at the americans for prosperity conference. very ambitious and wants to run about right ideas. look at number six. i love that. pope francis, washington s favorite populace. elizabeth warren takes on a cozy relationship. plus the u.s. is gearing up for a prolonged war against isis. the drums of war seem to be taking off in d.c. we will live to the white house to speak to tony blanket. first, stephen colbert answers the question will washington run easier if fictional character were in charge? news you can t use is next. eenie. meenie. miney. go. more adventures await in the seven-passenger lexus gx. see your lexus dealer. so what we re looking for is a way to plus our accounting firm s mobile plan. and minus our expenses. perfect timing. we re offering our best-ever pricing on mobile plans for business. run the numbers on that. well, unlimited talk and text, and ten gigs of data for the five of you would be. one-seventy-five a month. good calculating kyle. good job kyle. you just made partner. our best-ever pricing on mobile share value plans for business. now with a $100 bill credit for every business line you add. (yawn) . toaster strudel! more fruit in the filling, ya? mmm! ya! warm, flaky, gooey, toaster strudel! now, with more fruit! if energy could come from anything?. or if power could go anywhere? or if light could seek out the dark? what would happen if that happens? anything. everybody take a very close look. okay. at this next picture. the face of crime. brandy allen was arrested for shoplifting of 144 bucks of eye makeup at the ulta beauty store. here is her mug shot from fayetteville police. an officer found her in the bathroom flushing the toilet several times and asked to see what was inside her purse she pulled out eye shadows and running her fingers over the makeup to make it app it was already used and smudging it on her eyes. you look above the right eye it s sort of a david bowie look. i like it. stephen colbert thinking president obama could learn something. his idol is frank underwood. look at cameron s suit during the speech. it says power, dignity, and strength and obama s suit says i m a groomsman in an august wedding but even david cameron pales in comparison from frank underwood from house of cards. if you have not stolen your ex-girlfriend s netflix password yesterday, he s a washington power player rising to prominence in lying, scheming, back stabbing, and murder but gets things done in washington. president francis underwood, i can t believe it. please, stephen, i detest formalities. just call me president frank underwood. it s a real honor to have you here, sir. i m a huge fan. how do you get so much done? well, it s like i say, stephen, a dog doesn t need to show its teeth as long as his growl deep enough, the food bowl is full, and he knows where all the bones are buried. wow. i have no [ bleep ] idea what that means. but he sounds good saying it. he does. it s the top of the hour now. we were talking last hour, ayman, about how you look at what the vice president is saying and following isis to the gates of hell and what kay hagan said last night in her debate. al franken in minnesota, of all people, he is writing letters to the white house demanding action on isis. it looks like certainly, the president of the united states, the secretary of defense, they are not going to contain isis, they say they are going to destroy isis. i was asking the question, though. kay hagan is fine but i d like to hear from egypt. al franken is great but i think the saudis have more of a stake in this than we do. so uae came out yesterday very forceful against isis and said they are going to be on board and the iraqi parliament, it s pretty interesting too. are we going to see egypt, saudi arabia, and other countries whose very existence would be threatened by the rise of isis? i think you ll definitely see it on certainly levels. certainly intelligence, perhaps trying to cut some of the finances flowing to them and curb the ideology. will they join bush 41 coalition? if the u.s. can put it together. the bottom line they are american militaries pretty much but they don t have the ability for operational ability. what would the impact be in egypt if the generals came out tomorrow like the uae and said we are behind the united states of america, destroy isis? i don t know if they would use those exact words we are behind the united states of america but if they say we are standing with the united states of america. look at me, being an american. shoulder-to-shoulder strong against isis. the international community to destroy isis, i think it would have an important effect. they are dealing with elements of extremism in their own country. they are struggling with very similar ideology they consider to be just as extreme so they have an interest and stake in fighting isis. i m going to show you a picture from a place you recognize all too well. it s gaza. you have hamas claiming victory, despite the fact that so much was destroyed and they got pounded militarily. i said earlier, even hamas is hurt by the spread of isis. the middle east is changing and you have arab countries that are now striking out against what they consider to be radical elements. and this is one issue which as much as prime minister netanyahu say they are the same but that is definitely not bought in the arab world and nobody will accept that. i think a lot of people in the west would reject that as well. at the same time, as you mentioned there is this kind of perception that the rise of groups, any kind of group, particularly in societies where they may not know the difference between hamas and isis, their image and their reputation is going to be tarnished. people i think are generally fed up with what is going on in the middle east. this constant state of instability and just the violence and i think there s a lot of frustration generally, even inside the arab world. you got to keep that in mind. this is something that is new, mika. it s rising. we got the uae and egypt going after extremists in libya. that was crossing a threshold that hadn t been crossed yet. i think the arab world is changing dramatically. you have the president and vice president and secretary of defense showing some unity here and their sharp tone against isis. here is chuck hagel yesterday echoing the president. here is joe biden. as a nation, we are united and when people harm americans, we don t retreat, we don t forget. we take care of those who are grieving and when that is finished, they should know we will follow them to the gates of hell until they are brought to justice, because hell is where they will reside! hell is where they will reside! the president sounding a tad bit more measured but biden is biden and tapping into the fears that certainly what we have seen the past two weeks have been arising americans. chuck hagel says the u.s. knows of more than a hundred americans fighting with isis overseas. in an exclusive interview with nbc news one u.s. citizen named don morgan revealed the details of his attempt to become a member of isis. someone has to defend islam and someone has to defend innocent people. i purchased the ticket with the intent of entering syria, either joining up with medical and food aide convoys or directly with the islamic state. a push came from being mistreated by people around me who didn t share the views i had. reporter: he decided to join last june and began to make his way from beirut to syria, but he was stopped on the way by authorities in turkey and sent back. morgan is currently in federal prison because he allegedly tried to sell a gun online, despite having a prior unrelated felony. somebody has to defend islam. i don t think it s him. i don t think it s him either. that is a pretty shallow bench, harold ford, if he is a guy going to defend islam. that is how they get to people. operationally, as we talk about destroying and degrading and tough language coming from the administration, what actually can be done? it seems that this threat is pretty disperse. how would an operational set of attacks what would it look like? why that sound bite is so important because it gets to what i think is actually the bigger problem which is this ideology and the sentiment people think they need to come and defend islam and bring all kinds of narratives to this ideology that we have been struggling with for the past decade and even lrng. what the u.s. can do militarily is stop people like this from traveling with the help of turkey. once they congregate in the battlefield, carry out strikes on those positions, try to target facilities they are using to store am nirks and try to go after key decision-makers within the organization. at the end of the day, you re going to still have people like that who want to go and fight because of an ideology and if they don t do something to stop that and make people feel they belong elsewhere and the psychological reasons why this guy wants to go, you re going to have these problems for a while. from the white house is tony blinken. thank you for being with us. a lot going on and happening very quickly. yesterday, certainly, the president of the united states, the secretary of defense, the vice president of the united states all talking about destroying isis and following them to the gates of hell. what is the first step? if one is going to actually travel across the river sticks and go to the gates of hell, what is the next step? is it getting allies to cross that river with us? joe i was listening to you earlier and yesterday and i think you ve got it exactly right. the president is being very deliberate about this. first, we got to look before we leap. we tried the opposite about a decade ago and that didn t help us very much in the middle east so we are being very deliberate about putting together a coalition of countries to deal with the isis problem. that coalition is critical. could i ask you, tony, i brought up a couple of countries that have a lot at stake here. so glad uae came out yesterday forcefully and good to see what the iraqi parliament did. what about egypt and what about saudi arabia? can we expect them to make the sort of statements that the uae made yet? the short answer is, i think, yes. what we are seeing is countries that don t often have a lot in common and sometimes couldn t cooperate are us starting to stand up because they see the isil threat is first and foremost the wolf at their door. we had a strong statement from the uae yesterday. i ve been talking to the saudis they are on. they are starting to put the coalition together and we have to be very deliberate about it. a lot of work to be done and it s going to take time and i think we will do it. when you say that certain countries are beginning to stand up and they are on board. what is on board mean? and which countries are you hopeful or even convinced that you will have collective unity on this? a number of things we have to do to achieve the goal the president said which is in the first instance disrupting isil and ultimately defeating it. first deal with the war fighting capacity. it tends to mask troops. we have got to take a whack at that. we started to do that in iraq. second, we have to get a support network. the terrorists financing. the propaganda. the recruits. all of that. the foreign fighters. third, we have to deal with some of its local support and move them back to the other side. alienate sunnis in iraq and, finally, enable local actors who can take and hold the territory with we may help them get with our air power and bringing all of that together and bringing countries together to do that is exactly what we are working on now. that is the comprehensive plan the president is enhancing. did you get a sense of supporting the syrian and giving them to the poopopposition you spoke of? when congress gets back, next week, we will talk to them about that. a train and quick program involve countries in the region hosting the trainers to make sure that we can strengthen the opposition so that it can both deal with isil and deal with the assad regime. tony, thank you. thanks very much. we greatly appreciate it. i want to follow up on what tony said, harold, really quickly. he is right. the president, and i know a lot of people get angry about this, you know? the president said something he shouldn t have said on friday. he said it inartfully. the whole world exploded like we weren t going to survive. did they want to send the missiles on saturday, sunday, on labor dah? i brought this point up in real-time you seriously would have thought i was walking around with makeup on my eyes like that lady that leave her alone. that knocked off the cosmetics store in arkansas. what was he going to do some we talk about leading from behind. this isn t leading from behind. this is saying we are not going to do your bidding for you any more. if you want to join us in a true coalition of the willing, then we will do it. and it sounds like. it s what they are doing. because we are being deliberate after not being so deliberate a decade ago, we are going to have egypt, we are going to have saudi arabia, we already have the uae. we already have iraq. i m sorry. that s starting to sound a little bit like 1991. we all talked about why couldn t we have presidents more like bush 41? it sounds like that is the direction we are heading. the deputy national security adviser right there, mika s father at a different time over the weekend, sounded clear, stronger, more passionate and forceful and, frankly, more understandable than the president sounded in his press conference. it was the brown suit. the president stand before the country and say we have no strategy you should just wait and no need to talk. i agree with you. what the president is doing, being deliberate i think is smart. at the same time, you know he was talking about syria. again, nobody that has watched this seven for seven years think i carry president obama s water. you know what i like to call him? the commander in chief. at a time of crisis, that is just child s play. and as you know. i would agree. because you grew up in a church. i ve seen your political commercials. when i was child, i behaved as a child. when i grew up, i put away childish things. i m serious. there is a true analogy. we can scream and yell over health care, this, that and the other but when we have a existential threat to the countries in the middle east it s time to put away s child play and start working and looking at the long-term range and i think he s got it right. you made two of three eloquent powerful statements the last several days on this. fountain president had that kind of confidence and clarity and consistency in his language it would have been a different take. nobody said he has ever been a good speech maker. oh, wait. yes he has. stop. in the words of george w. bush, it s hard, it s hard. it looks a lot easier from this side of the camera, harold p.m. you know that. i know but what our effort would actually look like on the ground. ayman and tony were clear that i think the american people have heard from the president over the last several days which i think is what we need here. a lot of people think we are going to deploy troops in a broad way. a different way to do this. ayman, i thought, said it well. a couple of more headlines and then to the break. my dad is on the other side and he is nervous already. raising the minimum wage on the arkansas state ballot after a petition received more than twice the signatures it needed. what more do people need to know about what we need to do here? if passed it would raise the state s minimum wage from $6.25 and hour to $7.50 an hour in 2016. mark prior embraced the increase in february calling it the right thing to do and signing on to the petition. his opponent republican congressman tom cotton has yet to make an decision. this is an important issue. i said it after labor day and believe it now. this is a bigger issue as we move forward and puts republicans, like tom cotton and like myself when i was in congress, you know, a couple of decades ago, in a difficult position. is it hard to take a position on this right now at this time? i don t think so. i don t think so. it s not. if you can get a deal out of it. exactly. mitt romney said on your show and he endorsed it. get a deal out of it! you can t win over the senate and control the senate if you re out of touch with american people on a lot of issues. in the kentucky senate race, a sliver of good news. a sliver. for mitch mcconnell. a new cnn/orc poll has mcconnell up four points over allison lundergan grimes. that is within the margin of error. it actually says five, but it s very close. i wouldn t count her out. i would not count her out at all. i think the national press is giving her a little bit of a bum wrap. i think she is a formidable xae candidate. i think democrats are fired up down there. we shall see. the democrat candidate for u.s. senate throws in the towel in kansas and how that may mean the party will hold on to their seat. one man thinks he has cracks the go ahead to get into the ivy league. build a gym for that school. okay. all right. first, dr. zbigniew brzezinski with his foreign policy views on europe and the middle east. you re watching morning joe. we will be right back. [ breathing deeply ] [ inhales deeply ] [ sighs ] [ inhales ] [ male announcer ] at cvs health, we took a deep breath. [ inhales, exhales ] [ male announcer ] and made the decision to quit selling cigarettes in our cvs pharmacies. now we invite smokers to quit, too, with our comprehensive program. we just want to help everyone, everywhere, breathe a little easier. introducing cvs health. because health is everything. sailing away joining us from washington is former national security adviser for president carter, dr. zbigniew brzezinski who always plays fair in tennis. he never cheats and plays fair. doctor, notable and quotables in wall street journal this morning. this is cool. dr. brzezinski writing foreign affairs in march and april of 1994. the crucial issue is future stability of ukraine and american policymakers must face the fact that ukraine is on the brink of disaster. you talk about a russian ethnic explosion in crimea. 20 years ago. 20 years ago. that, obviously, has happened. now vladimir putin bragging that he can make kiev in two weeks. where do we stand in this crisis? i think the west is now more united than ever before and the sanctions that are being planned are serious. i think, however, putin is trying to undermine that unity by proposing this sort of phony peace settlement of several points that he is planning to discuss with boris shinco. i think this is making them think they have accepted the plan. as far as i understand the ukrainians have agreed to talk to putin but not agree to accept his plan and that is an importance difference. on front of usa today can russia be stopped? should the u.s. provide arms to ukraine? that is the next step. in my view, absolutely. not to provide them with arms gives putin the incentive to escalate the military collision step-by-step knowing that the opponent is vulnerable, and weak and there is no cost for him in doing so. so i think we should be open about it. we should say to putin, we are providing arms to the ukrainians because they don t have any. we are providing defensive arms mostly so that they are not going to attack you. but you ll have enough arms to oppose what you have been doing which is peace meal the stabilization of ukraine and the gradual wrecking of its economy because that is happening. dr. brzezinski, mike barnicle is here and he has got a question. doctor, has putin s behavior somehow inadvertently done something within nato that is seemingly impossible to do for about a decade strengthen nato collective? ly. i think it s a good point. more and more people in russia even at the top are beginning to think he is slightly mad, that he is is not conducting an intelligent effective policy but weakening and isolating russia and if push comes to shove, it s a fate that it will become the vessel of china. we will move on to isis in a moment. putin scratched out this seven-point peace plan cease-fire with ukraine. how should this be received? i think it should be received as an opportunity for talking and i have no objection to that, and ukraine and the west can make counterproposals. but the plan itself is essentially designed to undermine nato s unity and to drag the ukrainians into a relationship in which the government in kiev has to negotiate with thugs armed by putin with putin sitting on the sidelines and pretending he is not involved. harold ford? quickly, doctor, i thought your interview over the weekend i think on cnn was outstanding. following up on one of the points you made. do you believe inexplicitly in any negotiations or cease-fire plan if something is reached we should say ukraine will not be accepted into nato? did i understand you correctly over the weekend making that point of view? that is correct. unless push comes to shove and we have a military showdown there has to be some accommodation. i think it s perfectly reasonable to have an accommodation in which ukraine becomes increasingly a part of the western and eventually of the european union but not a direct member of nato, which from the russian point of view is a security issue. so i think here is some compromise is justified and i think the basis for a resolution. ukraine is not going to be a member of the union, putin s empire idea, but is not going to be also a member of nato. nbc news ayman mohyeldin is with us. how do you think they are approaching is and we heard is there a sense it s a little too late to be doing that now or is that our only hope? well, if we focus specifically on syria, that is a problem in addition to isis. i think that the problem in syria is that the opposition to assad is weak angle the strongest of position happens to be isis. so i don t think we are really pointing in the right direction by continuing to wage some sort of a war against assad. assad, after all, was acceptable to the israelis and he was acceptable to us. he actually treated the nonislamic people in syria better than most other arab governments, so i think we have made a mistake here, which we should be correcting. our approach has to be there are several different battle fields, iraq, syria, potentially some others and we are not going to be engaged in all of them in one-sided fashion. dr. zbigniew vertebbrzezinsk thank you, dad. is this a best chance for the democrats to keep their majority in the senate? the shocking events in kansas for the race for the upper chamber. the offensive in ukraine, an on the ground look how math and science is playing a role in the conflict with pro russian separatists. i don t know. i think they can probably shoot those things down. all that and more when morning joe returns. when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that s not a coincidence. it s one more part of our commitment to america. you pay your auto insurance premium every month on the dot. you re like the poster child for paying on time. and then one day you tap the bumper of a station wagon. no big deal. until your insurance company jacks up your rates. you freak out. what good is having insurance if you get punished for using it? hey insurance companies, news flash. nobody s perfect. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won t raise your rates due to your first accident. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. we re changing the way we do business, with startup ny. we ve created tax free zones throughout the state. and startup ny companies will be investing hundreds of millions of dollars in jobs and infrastructure. thanks to startup ny, businesses can operate tax free for 10 years. no property tax. no business tax. and no sales tax. which means more growth for your business, and more jobs. it s not just business as usual. see how new york can help your business grow, at startup.ny.gov the democratic candidate for u.s. senate in kansas has dropped out. democrat chad taylor was struggling and submitted his withdrawal yesterday to the secretary of state just moments before the deadline really to do that. now democrats in the state may rally around greg orman, an independent. according to a pp poll in a three-way race, pat roberts holds a seven-point lead but when taylor is taken out of the equation, the independent greg orman leads by ten points. orman ran as a democrat in 2008 but hasn t made up his mind who he would caucus with if elected. if i get elected, there is a reasonable chance that neither party will have a majority in washington and if that is the case what i ve said is i m going to caucus with whichever party is willing to go to washington and start trying to solve problems as opposed to just pleasing the extremists and their own base. and i think both parties are actually guilty of that sort of behavior. really, i think, in an attempt to make sure they win elections and not solve problems for the american people. pat roberts campaign responded by blasting democrats, calling the move corrupt bargain. joining us now from washington, msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt. before we get to the claire factor which is the back story behind this move, there are big implications here. potentially really big implications. just because the map itself is so on a razor s edge. whether republicans take back the senate or not is likely going to hinge on one or two seats. so the fact that suddenly it could come down to kansas? is not something that any of us started out this cycle expecting. it sort of reflects how far of an anti-incumbent on the ground now. sam brownback is also in trouble and orman has support from the modern republicans who have backed brownback. as far as the back story goes, a source telling me that senator claire mccaskill played a key role in getting chad taylor to drop out partially it s in her neighborhood and she was paying attention and realized an opening here and they credit her being a aggressive political strategist and pushing this forward. senator reed s office denied they had anything to do with getting taylor out of the race but it s probably pretty clear that, you know, they wouldn t go ahead and do anything like this without leadership blessing. well, claire getting involved, claire mccaskill, harold, is, to me to shows these implications are as big as she says them to be and could be the ultimate balance of the senate. what do you make about claire and others jumping in here in terms of she s from the mist and she understand that. i know. she has a greater appreciation for the political dynamics there. who would think this would be happening in kansas. how do you tell someone to get out of the race, you could help our party? how does that happen behind closed doors? if you want the issues addressed it s probably in your best interestses to move out. i don t know the back story what happened to this guy. listen to go that candidate, if this is the way in a direction we have headed in the national politic candidates saying i m caucus with the party doing the most to help the country, i kind of like. . whatever went on behind the scenes, this might be a win/win not only for kansas but the country. kasie hunt is an official political correspondent for us. congratulations. thank you. coming up, getting on college admissions like a broker bets on the stock market? why one man has made it his job to guarantee acceptance into ivy league schools. morning joe will be right back. fill their bowl with the meaty tastes they re looking for, with friskies grillers. tender meaty pieces and crunchy bites. in delicious chicken, beef, turkey, and garden veggie flavors. friskies grillers. woman: everyone in the nicu all the nurses wanted to watch him when he was there 118 days. everything that you thought was important to you changes in light of having a child that needs you every moment. i wouldn t trade him for the world. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we re owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. if you re caring for a child with special needs, our innovative special care program offers strategies that can help. great. this is the last thing i need.) seriously? let s take this puppy over to midas and get you some of the good ol midas touch. hey you know what? i ll drive! i really didn t think this through. brakes, tires, oil, everything. (whistling) well, joe, your stats are very respectable. you ve done some solid work here. but it s not quite ivy league now, is it? just when you thought it was safe to go into your locker room comes the terrifying true story of teens facing that most horrifying experience of all! getting into college! harvard won t be impressed that you aced history of polka dots. you may have cleaned contaminated waters from villages but you ve never got into an ivy league. how are we doing? used like yuvert of illinois. peter waldman is here how he can get your kid into college guaranteed. that s great! guaranteed. that s photographic. thawhat kind of numbers a we talking about? i guess anybody can be bought. what number, peter? well, let s see now. there was a ceo in hong kong who gave $700,000 to the entrepreneur whose name is steven mau who sow here in the silicon valley and that went through tutoring and class preparation and essay assistance. 700,000? he didn t keep that amount of money. he did keep 400,000. give us another example. well, let s see. mr. mau is now working with another hong kong executive s child. for $600,000 up front, for that, if this child gets into an ivy league school, 600 grand, if he gets into an ivy league school, mr. mau will keep that. if he doesn t, there will be other amounts of money he can keep down to, i think, about 90 grand. guaranteed 90 grand. instead of taking your basically kaplan course you re paying somebody 600,000 to get your kid prep your kid and get them ready for college. that s insane. harold ford, around new york, i mean, when i first moved to new york, i was shocked. i have two little kids. i d sit around the table and it would be like, they would go, we love your show, if you ever neat theater tirkts, just let us know. okay, great. i never go out and sit in an apartment and eat cold cereal alone. so i love transformer series. but they went around. help me with that and that. not that i didn t need any of that help. then i said i have a 5-year-old girl and i need to get her into kindergarten. they said we can t help with you that. they were dead serious, peter. now the insanity of getting your kid ready for college in america, among elites, is outrageous. i guess this is just one of those depressing examples of it. i don t know what it was like in alabama in your day. $500 a semester. now you re paying 30,000 for one of these elite schools. he also does tutoring and competes with kaplan and kudor and it will give you a guarantee. how? how can he guarantee this? what does he do? this is a math wise. he used to work at a hedge fund. he bets on these kids like a trader will bet on a commodities market. he says i figured out you have 5%, 8% chance of getting into that school. i ll base my fee on that and he takes a risk. he s a trader is what he is. wow. mike, you see those acceptance rates. stanford only 5% of students. they don t even let me on the campus in palo alto. peter, is there any way we can bypass the middleman, steven mau, and go directly to these people in hong kong he is dealing with and can we tell them that for a hundred grand, i can get that kid into umass-amhurst? in the end he was paid 400 grand to get his kid into syracuse which is a wonderful school but not that hard to get into. maybe some information will help them. i don t know if they read my story. we will find out. this is a good one. thank you for getting ub extremely early. i feel for you. we will check out the latest issue of bloomberg business week. . the crisis are russia and how fighters are turning to technology to get an advantage in that conflict. we will tell you who is joining whippy and rosy on the set of the view. someone close to us. we are so excited! it s not you, mike. we will be right back. [ male announcer ] marie callender s knows you may not have time to roll out a perfectly flaky crust that s made from scratch. or mix vegetables with all white meat chicken and homemade gravy. but marie callender s does. just sit down and savor. marie callender s. it s time to savor. just sit down and savor. machines will be sprayed to be made. and making something stronger. will mean making it lighter. one day, factories will work with the cloud. one day. is today. for over 19 million people. [ alex ] transamerica helped provide a lifetime of retirement income. so i can focus on what matters most. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. transamerica. so as the conflict between ukraine and russia rages on the political stage, on the battlefield, ukrainian techies are putting their skills to good use. as our partners at vocative recently covered it s having a real impact. reporter: this looks like a regular mortar attack. part of the war that is being raged between pro ukrainian forces and separatists who want to return to mother russia but it s actually something different. the mortar shell is being guided by a tiny drone and financed by housewives and supporters over the internet. [ speaking in foreign language ] reporter: as the inequipped and underfunded ukrainian army repeatedly failed to wrangle the pro-russians, a series of armed pro-ukrainian militias aka battalions have formed to fight them. for the most part, this is played out as a low tech game of you steal my tank, i steal yours. translator: neighbor russia should take a neutral position and someone would watches a fight between a husband and wife and a someone gives a club to the husband and a knife to the wife to spice it up. russia is a provocativor and putin is a provocativor. now we have those for and against ukraine. if they want to live in russia, they are welcome. go [ bleep ] off and live there and don t tell us anything about our country. translator: the efficiency of the government is about 1.5% and doesn t solve problems on time and can t handle any serious tasks. therefore it s the main volunteers that supply the army. reporter: filling this void is outfits like this one that decided to give the funds to these militiamilitias. a bunch of i.t. guys. translator: the money was donated by kind housewives and sending sums to us. so our priorities are low cost, speed, and quality. reporter: volunteers assemble and sell jackets and belts and armor and all sorts of combat equipment, but it s the remote-controlled drone, the one kids aspiring to movie careers with their mom and pop s cash and given the putin-backed separatists a series flak. translator: they helped us find enemy tanks and we then destroyed. translator: since childhood i was always fond of aviation. our commanding officers took note of it. i was ordered to leave my combat unit for this unit of nerds. i m a computer programmer. as many other computer guys, i don t only work but i also spend a lot of time playing computer games. that includes flight simulators. this experience became very useful now because when you re operating a drone, it is, in fact, like playing a computer game. reporter: so throw the spraitists hasprai separatists putin watching their back, the nerd units are fast becoming a key game changer in the fight for ukraine so much so the separatists have allegedly put a price on this drone pilot s head. translator: they spent a special group to capture us is a telling fact. i think is demonstrates how effective our effective our work is. translator: this is a patriotic impulse, a real one. all ukrainian rulers did everything to destroy the ukrainian army, and now it is trying to reappear like a phoenix rising from its ashes. wow. we thank our partners for that perspective. what surprises you most about that report? i mean, for me, crowd sourcing of funds for, as they report, this unit of nerds, it s like a real live video game of war come to life. yeah, and it also shows you a lot about how the battlefield s changing. it s a small unit. not sure how big of an impact it s having on the battlefield, but very interesting to say the least. but it does give you a sense of this merger between militaries or those fighting and crowd sourcing and just how social media in general is just changing the dynamics of everything, including even warfare. i think it s absolutely fascinating. it makes it harder to drew the line between civilians and people fighting. they want to go after this unit. can they go after the people financing it? raises lots of questions. coming up at the top of the hour, strong words from the obama administration describing how the u.s. will take the fight to isis, but will military operations match the rhetoric? and then a french freezeout? why the country is finally putting an end to one of its military deals with russia, or is it? france s ambassador to the u.s. will be our guest. plus, tornado warnings have already been issued for the upper midwest, as a massive storm heads east. a full report is next. morning joe will be right back. (vo) ours is a world of passengers. the red-eyes. (daughter) i m really tired. (vo) the transfers. well, that s kid number three. (vo) the co-pilots. all sitting. .trusting. .waiting. .for a safe arrival. introducing the all-new subaru legacy. designed to help the driver in you. .care for the passenger in them. the subaru legacy. it s not just a sedan. it s a subaru. how can i ease this pain? (man) when i can t go, it s like rocks piling up. i wish i could find some relief. (announcer) ask your doctor about linzess a once-daily capsule for adults with ibs with constipation or chronic idiopathic constipation. linzess is thought to help calm pain-sensing nerves and accelerate bowel movements. it helps you proactively manage your symptoms. do not give linzess to children under 6, and it should not be given to children 6 to 17. it may harm them. don t take linzess if you have a bowel blockage. get immediate help if you develop unusual or severe stomach pain especially with bloody or black stools. the most common side effect is diarrhea, sometimes severe. if it s severe, stop taking linzess and call your doctor right away. other side effects include, gas, stomach-area pain and swelling. bottom line, ask your doctor about linzess today. whenwork with equity experts who work with regional experts who work with portfolio management experts that s when expertise happens. mfs. because there is no expertise without collaboration. you owned your car for four you named it brad. you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends. three jobs. you re like nothing can replace brad! then liberty mutual calls. and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement, we ll pay for a car that s a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. there s talk that warner brothers is planning to revive full house. they re bringing back full house. i saw the new opening credits. i guess it s been off the air a little longer than i thought. take a look. everywhere you looked there s a heart i m here to hold on to everywhere you look there s a face of somebody who needs you john stamos does not age! he s like dorian grey. it s all that greek yogurt. so this is really great news. i am so excited! for nicole wallace. congratulations going out to two ladies who join the table at the view. rosie perez and nicole will join whoopi goldberg and rosie o donnell when the new season of the view begins on monday september 15th. that is great news! i ve never been more happy for someone. seriously. usually these choices are made for all sorts of reasons. she s so smart. she s so great. obviously a member of the morning joe family. we re so proud of her. everything is good about that choice. whoopi s great. rosie s great. and nicole adds some political heft. especially with the midterms in 2016. political heft. she s going to light that place on fire. i can t wait to see rosie and nicole. get yourself some nice shoes now. that s great news. i have to lend her my shoes. now let s turn to bill karins for a look at the forecast. we re looking at some severe storms expected today. early morning tornados. the lightning has been incredible this morning. starting in north dakota and then right through minnesota and now into areas of wisconsin. at one point we had about 10,000 lightning strikes as it was coming out of fargo and going just to the north of st. cloud. now heading towards duluth. we had tornado warnings. report of a 90-mile-per-hour wind gust that did some damage. but no tornados confirmed as of this point. we re also watching some pretty strong storms further to the south. these went through milwaukee overnight. they re threatening the chicago area and now heading right over peoria again. i m sure o hare will have some minor delays because of these. here s how we re looking as we go throughout the day today. severe weather possible in yellow. wind damage, large hail possible with the strongest storms, and it s another very hot day in the east. temperature at 90 in d.c. we ll also be watching that heat heading into the northeast as we approach the weekend. but things change. about three more days of summer and then it s going to feel like fall in the east as we go into sunday. so again, you know, very hot and stormy, but fall is on its way. before you know it also it s going to get dark earlier. it s already happening. i kind of like it. you like it getting dark. are you a vampire? i m a vampire. but anything that helps bring on sleep. help the pills help themselves. i can take less maybe. you never know. i doubt it. all right, we ve got a lot ahead here as we look at the headlines straight ahead, so the next hour of morning joe starts right now. those who have murdered james foley and steven sotloff in syria need to know the united states will hold them accountable, no matter how long it takes. while the white house is being characteristically calibrated and cautious over america s response, the vice president today used very different language. we don t retreat. we don t forget. we will follow them to the gets of hell. if you re actually serious about taking isis to the gets of hell, you re going to have to go to syria. what s the next step? getting allies to cross that river with us? we re being very deliberate about putting together a coalition of countries to deal with the isis problem. the administration not ambiguous yesterday. it was seek, search, destroy, and send. yeah, you re going to pay. that was the message, right? what a difference a couple of years makes from the last nato summit. there s been a lot of sabre rattling in eastern europe lately. the u.s. says it s now sending troops inside ukraine. with its new rapid reaction force, a spearhead, they call it. the spear clearly pointed at vladimir putin and his eastern european ambitions. president putin listed seven conditions for cease-fire. but the plan itself is essentially designed to undermine nato s unit and so drag the ukrainians into a relationship in which the government in kiev has to negotiate with putin sitting on the sidelines and pretending that he s not involved. today we are bound by our treaty alliance. an attack on one is an attack on all. if in such a moment you ever ask who will come to help the nato alliance, including the armed forces of the united states of america right here present now. so much going on, mika, over the last two hours. we ve had tony blanken come on talking about who may be coming onboard. certainly here at home, the sounds of the drums of war have really begun in earnest in this country. yesterday the vice president said america would follow isis to the gates of hell to get justice. the secretary of defense says the u.s. doesn t want to contain is isis, but rather they want to destroy isis. democratic senators became war hawks. internal polling showing americans want action. kay hagan joined john mccain and lindsey graham s side in that democratic debate talking about action. al franken sent a terse letter to the white house. yes, that al franken from that state of minnesota, calling for military action, and they weren t alone. but there were more important developments yesterday, maybe not driven by political polls, but the united arab emirates condemned a spread of the islamic state. that s important. it s also important they said they ll support america in efforts against isis. so did the iraqi parliament, who would have loved to criticize america if we had taken action earlier without getting their go-ahead first. and while it s one thing to have kay hagan calling for a strong use of force. america actually asking questions first and shooting missiles later may actually lead to our country not having to go it alone again. and carry other countries water. so the question is, where is egypt? tony blanken said they re going to be supportive. where is saudi arabia? i think they re going to be supportive, too. where is jordan? certainly you would think jordan would be supportive. and where are the other countries whose very existence depends on american fire power and us sending our sons and daughters overseas and spending our treasure to cut out a cancer from the middle east that is really in their best interest to cut out. we ve got nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent and the host of andrea mitchell reports, andrea mitchell. about an hour ago, tony came on the show. i said, it s great about uae. it s great that we ve got the iraqi parliament actually begging us to come over this time. it s a little better than what happened in 2003. but where is egypt? he says they ll be onboard. where is saudi arabia? maybe they ll be onboard. where are the other countries? could it be that we re moving because we are being deliberate towards a scenario when bush 41 assembled an extraordinary group of countries, including syria, to fight against saddam hussein. if you recall back then, jim bakker spent months and months building that coalition of the willing, and it was extraordinary. you had syrian fighters going against saddam hussein, but it was a different situation then, and i think it s going to be a much heavier lift because some of these very countries like saudi arabia feel that the president should have moved a year ago labor day when he didn t. but a country like saudi arabia has the most to lose with a group like isis spreading across the middle east. so will we see the saudis publicly come out and be supportive of this? you might because of two things that happened this week. a refinery hit inside saudi in their key eastern area, the oil area. and also the arrest of 88 isis-related, they claimed, alleged terrorists. now, saudi arrests are notoriously difficult to ascertain. the saudis did arrest terrorists on their soil and announce it. last week, bobby was on the show and he said an important threshold had been crossed when you had the uae going into libya to pursue other islamist fighters. it s great that they did that. do we expect more arab countries to follow their lead? i think the statement from yusef was very significant. that was a big signal. they are concerned and basically their opposition is to qatar, to their fellow emirates. qatar has been anything but an ally with the united states, along with turkey. we saw the front page this morning of the wall street journal. i can t find it right now. that actually turkey is shutting down the jihadist highway. you ve got potshots from the right and the left. the president needs to do more, needs to stop saying things like we don t have a strategy, criticize, criticize, criticize. but what joe s been talking about tony blanken echoed. while we have this painful wait for maybe some collective action, what s the value of collective action and what does that actually look like? the collective action, if it works as joe was just defining it, would include some arab leaders, some arab states, and not just humanitarian missions. we want to see their jets in the air and we want their intelligence i mean, we ve got a lot of intelligence sharing, but we want we don t need them militarily, but just a signal of their jets in the air sends a powerful signal, right? absolutely. and it helps inoculate the united states from retaliation, even though people like the pathologically crazy people in isis are going to go after us anyway. at first when i heard you expressing the same abouts that i had about the uae, refueled in egypt, hitting islamists in libya two weeks ago, whenever, how could we not have known, how could our intel have not picked up that? i was listening to you, watching you in the morning and thinking that s impossible. they swear to me that they did not know in advance. that was preposterous. did you think it is preposterous on its face? listen, i know this. the uae is such a good ally of the united states of america. they would not blind side us. they just wouldn t. so anyway, who knows. mike, i ve got a bridge to sell you in brooklyn, right? giving the planes we have up in the air nearly all of the time, 24 hours a day in that part of the country, given our technological resources, of course we knew there was flight in the air. by the way, it s a good thing. the big thing and andrea, i know you speak to these people on a regular basis. the biggest difference between 1991 and jim bakker and george h.w. bush and today with john kerry and barack obama is that in 1991, there was no fear, no real fear in riyadh that saddam hussein was going to come for the throne. there is legitimate fear in riyadh. you know what the other big difference is? they knew that when jim bakker spoke, he was speaking for bush 41. there was no daylight between the secretary of state and the commander in chief. talk about the daylight between the secretary of state and the commander in chief, where the secretary of state almost by necessity, some close to him say, is having to go out there on his own. well, look at what happened last thursday, for the much-criticized we have no strategy yet. that was as much a signal to men named hagel and kerry right. that i m not ready yet, you re not ready yet. he framed it badly, but he was speaking internally as much as externally. isn t that remarkable? that s one way to look at it, too. i would probably just call them into my office. that s no knock on kerry, hagel, etc. the relationship between the white house and the secretary of state, including a woman named hillary clinton. i have heard for a very long time there s a lot of space between john kerry and the president of the united states. i just couldn t imagine that to be the case until we did find out last week that that no strategy was actually designed more for people in the administration than out, mika. quote of the day. i would have just called them into my office. let s get to some other news now. russian president vladimir putin has laid out a proposal to end the conflict in eastern ukraine. isn t that great? it s going to be over. the new york times reports the seven-point plan to deescalate months of bloody stalemate was apparently written out during a flight over siberia. in wales, president obama and european leaders will take his proposal under consideration as they consider a rapid response team for eastern europe and another round of economic sanctions. meanwhile, another sign of weakening russian influence in europe, france has decided not to send a $1.7 billion amphibious warship manufactured for russia after coming under pressure from the u.s. president hollande s office says russia s behavior has undermined the security of the continent. that s pretty significant news coming out of france. yeah, looking at this headline in the ft today about france halting that warship. when the sanctions were first announced, they excluded arms sales specifically because france was refusing to cancel this deal. now france has cancelled this deal. so that s why i think vladimir putin was writing on the back of an envelope over siberia. this signal. sometimes sanctions don t work, sometimes they do work, but this is a big deal. actually, we re going to be talking to the ambassador coming up after the next break. in just a few hours, the justice department will announce a sweeping civil rights investigation into the city s police department. the investigation will look at the entire conduct of the ferguson pd over several years. the probe will be similar to past investigations over alleged profiling and excessive use of force. in the last five years, the justice department has opened 20 investigations of police departments across the country. and if you re going to investigate a police department, i would put ferguson s near the top there. well, we ve got the investigation going on into michael brown s death, the shooting death of michael brown, so now we have an extended and expanded investigation that s not just going to look into months, but the years of police culture of what some people say is baked in. we talked about it an awful lot. a police culture where you ve got a minority population, overwhelming minority population, 53 police officers are white and you just wonder how many other cases led to this tragedy. we ll wait and see exactly what the doj will find. but we see cases like this here in new york city. so this is not an urban problem as much as it is a suburban problem. it s systemic across the country. so let the chips fall where they may. to some politics now. true to her message, senator elizabeth warren is openly criticizing former house majority leader eric cantor s decision to take a multi-million-dollar job on wall street. cantor will be the vice chairman and managing director of an investment bank, earning more than $3 million over two years. in an interview with yahoo s katie couric, warren says it sends a bad message. how wrong can this be, that basically what s happening here is that people work in washington, and man, they hit that revolving door with a speed that would blind you, and head straight out into the industry, not because they bring great expertise and insight, but because they re selling access back in to their former colleagues who are still writing policy, who are still making laws. so how was she well, politico named her the next liberal line. did she roar when katie asked her about hillary? let s see how the lion roared. not as blunt about hillary. i m curious if you think that hillary clinton is too cozy with wall street. i know you ve disagreed with her in the past on issues like bankruptcy legislation. you know, i worry a lot about the relationship between all of our regulators, government, and wall street, and here s what i think what about hillary clinton in particular? i worry across the board. here s part of why. we ve got a washington now that works for anyone who can hire armies of lobbyists and lawyers. and it doesn t work for regular families. families don t have armies of lobbyists. they don t have armies of lawyers. and that s why i think it s so critical now that we speak up on these core issues. so her worries seem far more specific, andrea, do they not, if it s a republican she s talking about than a democrat? yes. and i think she s being very careful not to take any shots at hillary clinton because the obvious fallback position for the party, if hillary clinton does not run, is elizabeth warren. aside from the fact that it would explode in the press the next day, elizabeth warren takes a jab at hillary clinton. but what would be wrong? what is the risk of saying, you know what? that s wrong, too. it s not good. i have great, great respect for hillary clinton, i support her in many ways, but i ve got to tell you, these relationships are too cozy and it s wrong. that would be consistent. it would also explode. exactly. there you go. great news out of nevada. talking about the american economy and trying to bring manufacturing back. innovation creates new jobs and they create them there. it does. tesla motors will announce its plan to build a giant battery factory in nevada following a five-state competition, the so-called gigafactory will employ 6,500 people and produce the batteries that are expected to power the new generation of electric cars. tesla is expected to spend 4 to $5 billion on the project. mcdonald s, wendy s, and other chain restaurants are expected to be targeted by demonstrators from the fight for 15 campaign. organizers want the right to unionize and have a pay increase of up to $14 $15 an hour. how much would that make my big mac cost? it shouldn t cost anything. profits are just fine. give these people a raise. i mean, this is a joke. coming up on morning joe, how the u.s. troop withdrawal had a lasting impact on our allies in south vietnam. we ll speak to rory kennedy in just a bit. up next, the new french ambassador to the u.s. is our guest. we ll ask him if france is committed to sanctions against russia, even if it means hurting their own economy. it appears so. you re watching morning joe. we ll be right back. in new york state, we re changing the way we do business, with startup ny. we ve created tax free zones throughout the state. and startup ny companies will be investing hundreds of millions of dollars in jobs and infrastructure. thanks to startup ny, businesses can operate tax free for 10 years. no property tax. no business tax. and no sales tax. which means more growth for your business, and more jobs. it s not just business as usual. see how new york can help your business grow, at startup.ny.gov we are a collection of smalls. a home saved. a hero homebound for a new opportunity. a kitchen that kick starts careers wells fargo invests in our communities a little differently. small measures that add up to make our whole even greater. little by little we can do a lot. because. small is huge. visit www.wellsfargo.com to see how big small can be. i know what my money is doing. i rebalanced my portfolio on my phone. you know what else i can do on my phone? place trades, get free real time quotes and teleport myself to aruba. i wish. france says it will no longer deliver a powerful warship to russia next month because of its support for separatists in eastern ukraine. french president francois hollande made the announcement yesterday after initially resisting pressure from the u.s. and other countries. the warship is part of a $1.6 billion deal between france and russia. russia is accusing france of bowing to pressure from the u.s. and warning it will likely increase tensions. and joining us now, france s ambassador to the u.s. it s very good, mr. ambassador, to have you on the show this morning. first, tell us if you can in your own words, exactly what the message is that you want to send by cancelling or at least suspending this deal. good morning. our first goal is to end the russian interference in ukraine. after that, cease-fire. the sanctions are not an end to themselves. they re a tool. so we are increasing in an incremental way the pressure against russia. so now the russians have crossed a new red line by sending their forces, their tanks, so we have to react and france has decided to react on its own. so in terms of this warship now not going to the russians, is the deal suspended or is the contract ended? those are two different things. yeah, for the moment, what we are seeing is the conditions are not met for the delivery of the warships. we do hope that in the coming weeks, in the coming months, if there is a political settlement, a political negotiation, if there is the evidence that the russians have stopped their intervention in ukraine, i think we could have a look at the contract. andrea mitchell? mr. ambassador, it s andrea mitchell here in new york. is the goal of france now to try to get putin to back down, and do you think that putin s last-minute plan that he apparently wrote on a slip of paper is that plan specifically to sort of get nato to bow to russia until after the nato summit? is that the timing of what putin is up to? i think the timing is obvious. putin is trying, as you said, to undermine the unity of the alliance. it s a sheer maneuvering. but at the same time, it s for president poroshenko of ukraine to decide whether the russian proposals are acceptable or not acceptable. it has to be a negotiation between ukraine and the separatists. we don t have to dictate the terms of the agreement. mike. mr. ambassador, your president has been fairly critical of the lack of action in the middle east with regard to syria by the united states, indicating here s a quote, if two years ago we had acted to ensure a transition, we wouldn t have had an islamic state. and i would like to underline the word we. we had acted. it almost always falls to the united states to act in these occasions. what would you think france s commitment would be going forward in action against isis if there is a partnership that comes together with the uae, with saudi arabia, france, england. you get it. what s france s position there? first, we need such a partnership. what we have done, there was an emergency. we have ability cted to stop th advance of the jihadists. we the french, we have sent weaponry to the kurds. so in a sense, that was an emergency reaction. now we have to build the coalition, for the countries which are interested. which are on the front line. you said the saudis. we need it for the turks. a lot of foreign fighters are going for turkey and going to the islamic emirates. and in this context, i think the summit organized by president obama of the security council about the fighters, the foreign fighters, would be certainly i think a useful outcome. and we have also to work with the iraqis, of course. what is the level of concern internally, domestically within france, within paris, with regard to immigration policies, with regard to home grown terrorists. they have a problem in great britain. we potentially would have a problem here. what s the level of concern domestically within your country? we have now, right now, we have identified something lake 360 french citizens fighting in syria and iraq. we have identified since the beginning of the syrian crisis around 1,000 french citizens who went for syria and now for iraq. it s obvious that these people are going to come back with some expertise. so i can say there is a high level of concern in my country, and i think all over europe. thomas. mr. ambassador, when it comes to the situation with russia, vladimir putin has responded to the denial of the delivery of the amphibious warships, saying that france will suffer the biggest blow-back financially because of the lack of delivery. how do you respond to that? you know, there are moments where you know, moments that you have to put your financial interests behind your strategic interests. you know, what the russians are doing, it s such a fret to the world order. such a fret to european security right now that we had to react. and to say very bluntly and very simply right now, the conditions to deliver the warships are not met, it s up to the russians actually to respond to our call. we have no interest to a long-term confrontation with russia. it s obvious. russia is not the soviet union. it s not an existential threat to our way of life. but, russia has to respect the basic rules of the international life. ambassador, thank you so much for being on the show this morning. thank you very much. thank you so much. tough talk. it really is. that s what we re looking for, among other places. coming up, george clooney s iphone was not hacked, but he is getting ready to tackle the phone hacking thing. that s ahead. but first, what would have happened with vietnam if president john f. kennedy had lived? we ll talk about the last days in vietnam with director and producer rory kennedy. morning joe will be right back. [ girl ] my mom, she makes underwater fans that are powered by the moon. she can print amazing things, right from her computer. [ whirring ] [ train whistle blows ] she makes trains that are friends with trees. my mom works at ge. my mom works at ge. when folks think about wthey think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that s not a coincidence. it s one more part of our commitment to america. take and. exhale.in. aflac! and a gentle wavelike motion. aahhh- ahhhhhh. liberate your spine, ahhh-ahhhhhh aflac! and reach, toes blossoming. not that great at yoga. yeah, but when i slipped a disk he paid my claim in just four days. ahh! four days? yep. find out how fast aflac can pay you, at aflac.com. people holding letters saying, you know, i work for the americans. please let me in. journalists were arriving, and counting on being recognized to be let in by the marines. there was a sea of people wanting to get out by helicopters. but, well, they looked up at the helicopters, and i could see their eyes. that was a scene from the new documentary last days in vietnam, and the director and producer of the film, emmy award-winning documentary film maker rory kennedy joins the table. wow. congratulations. we ve seen it all over the place. you were getting great reviews. thank you, mika. i m excited for the film to come out finally this friday. you know, one of the iconic images you were talking about was that scene, andrea mitchell. 1975. saigon as the last helicopters left. and we pulled out, but we left all of these vietnamese behind, which is what rory deals with in the film, and how we pulled out, leaving our allies, our translators, our employees at the embassy. i think that s right. a lot of people are familiar with that iconic images of the helicopter on top of what they think is the embassy. in fact, it s not the embe sass. very few people know what took place the last 24 hours, or why it got so crazy, that we were ending up leaving from the top of the embassy in helicopters. at that point, we had about 6,000 americans in vietnam. the peace treaty had been signed two years prior. the u.s. said, it s too hectic, we ve just got to get the americans out of the country. but our film shows how americans who were in the country, in vietnam said not so fast, we have our vietnamese allies, our family members, our colleagues. we ve worked with these people. they ve helped fight this war with us. we re not going to leave them behind. and the film documents these extraordinary heroic acts that they took to get the vietnamese out of the country. let s watch another clip from last days in vietnam. putting his family on the plane. he had wanted to stay in vietnam to defend the country, and this full colonel had, like, eight kids and a wife. and he was in tears. the family the family were in tears. and i said to him, get on the plane. just go. go. it was a terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible moral dilemma. it s a chilling story. you know, rory, just watching clips of the film, this is just my view. it might be andrea s view, too. but this country really paid a psychic price for vietnam, culturally and politically that i think we still pay in part. this film brings back so much of that in terms of what we tried to do heroically, as you pointed out. what we couldn t do. and it occurred to me just watching that clip and the discussions earlier this morning about what s going on now in the middle east. 50 years ago, this past summer was the gulf of tonken resolution. this is the result of the gulf of tonken resolution, when you willy nilly without hesitation jump into something. we jumped into vietnam and this is how it ends. i think that s right. what i really sensed focusing on the last 24 hours of the war in vietnam is there were very few options available at that point. and so there we are leaving from the embassy in helicopters. and, you know, i think it sort of begs the question of what is our exit strategy when we enter these wars, and how are we going get out, what are our goals, what are our responsibilities to the people who are left behind. and i think as you all have been debating this morning, the pros and cons of taking on isis, i think we have to be asking these questions. so before we go, who do we hear from in this? i understand you talk to some incredible players if this, including henry kissinger, among others. the film is really firsthand accounts exclusively. there s no narrator. no experts who are looking back. it s all people who are on the ground, or inside washington creating the policies that led to this moment in history. so it s a range of people and characters who were in the embassy, who were on aircraft, who were on boats, who were trying to get people out. right. does anybody the answer of what would have happened if your uncle had lived? or do you just come on at the end and said none of this would have happened. i d like to think that. the film, it really stays within the confines of really the last 24 hours, a little setup to that point, but it doesn t go back and tell the history of the war. extraordinary reviews. what a compelling story. thank you so much for being with us. and we can t wait to watch it. thank you for having me. last days of vietnam opens in select theaters tomorrow. rory kennedy, thank you so much. great to see you. still ahead, a fascinating story of an american citizen looking to join isis, and as he put it, defend islam. i think we may have been in better shape if that guy had been let in. richard engel has that report next. and then we ll take a trip to hollyweird, where rob ford takes the phrase running for office literally. morning joe continues after a break. wouldn t it be great if hiring plumbers, carpenters shopping online is as easy as it gets. and even piano tuners were just as simple? thanks to angie s list, now it is. we ve made hiring anyone from a handyman to a dog walker as simple as a few clicks. buy their services directly at angieslist.com no more calling around. no more hassles. start shopping from a list of top-rated providers today. angie s list is revolutionizing local service again. visit angieslist.com today. dad,thank you mom for said this oftprotecting my future.you. thank you for being my hero and my dad. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance could be one of them. if you re a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. i wish. please, please, please, please, please. [ male announcer ] the wish we wish above all.is health. so we quit selling cigarettes in our cvs pharmacies. expanded minuteclinic, for walk-in medical care. and created programs that encourage people to take their medications regularly. introducing cvs health. a new purpose. a new promise. to help all those wishes come true. cvs health. because health is everything. secretary of defense chuck hagel says the u.s. knows of more than 100 americans who are now fighting alongside isis overseas. now in the first of its kind, nbc news interviewed one of those americans. richard engel has more on that exclusive sit-down. richard? reporter: good morning. i m in turkey, and as we ve reported, thousands of foreign fighters have gone to syria, many of them coming through this city. this has been the main transit point to go to syria to fight with militant groups like isis. we ve reported that americans have been among them, but until now, they ve been very elusive. we haven t been able to speak to one directly. my islamic name is nasar abdur-rahim. reporter: this is american donald morgan. he didn t hide his intention to join isis. i purchased a ticket with the intent of entering to syria, either joining up with medical and food aid convoys or directly with islamic state. reporter: morgan was raised catholic and educated at a military academy. my entire life growing up was surrounded by the idea that i would be 82nd airborne, i would be special forces, i would serve dutifully, duty honoring country. reporter: but now he speaks of his country as a potential enemy, and of isis, also called the islamic state, as a savior. the responsibility of the islamic state is to protect those who can t protect themselves. if it s not assad dropping a barrel bomb, it s going to be obama launching a drone strike. so, it matters not to me who the enemy is. reporter: morgan wasn t always like this. he served in the national guard. worked as a deputy sheriff. living in salisbury, north carolina. this is the house where don morgan live, at the end of a quiet street in a middle class neighborhood. and the questions on the minds of his co-workers and neighbors is why would someone want to leave suburban north carolina to join the vicious fight in syria? it is frightening that someone could go to that extreme. reporter: brian beaver has known morgan for 15 years. i would say he was a person that was on edge. it was like, what s it going to take to you know, this guy s going to fly off the handle one day. reporter: after getting in trouble with the law, morgan, an amateur bodybuilder, converted to islam in 2008. he followed the wars in the middle east on the internet. he pledged allegiance to the isis leader abu bakr al baghdadi, and his islamic state, the caliphate. isis doesn t have the objective to be a terrorist organization. reporter: morgan tried to enter syria traveling through turkey, but was deported to lebanon. running low on money, he decided to go back to the u.s., aware of the risk. i think there s a strong possibility that they ll charge me with supporting terrorist organizations and participating in terrorist activities. reporter: when morgan returned to the united states last month, he was arrested, but not for terrorism. he was picked up for an unrelated gun charge. he is a convicted felon, and he is accused of trying to sell a firearm over the internet, and because of his previous felony, he s not allowed to even own a gun. he pleaded not guilty. he says that he s not a terrorist, and poses no threat to the united states. but not everyone we spoke to agrees. okay, richard, thank you so much. really appreciate it. you just wonder what the lure is. not only for americans, but also quite a few british citizens and other westerners who are actually going over and trying to join up. and getting maybe a hold of people who are disturbed and angry. all right, let s go to business for the bell now. cnbc s brian sullivan. brian, take it away. yeah, hard to follow up with that, guys. great reporting as always by nbc and richard engel. anyway, let s talk about gas prices. maybe a little good news out there for consumers. gas prices really a tax on everybody. the longer you drive, they re aggressive. gas prices really eat into your wallet. aaa saying gas prices should continue to fall, so that is some good news. a little bit of relief for the american consumer, putting the money back into their wallets. apple had a big drop yesterday. as we did on our show yesterday, guys, apple is so big, people don t realize what the value of apple is. apple is so big you could take out the value of google and intel from apple and still have enough money left over to buy yahoo. wow. what? $618 billion market value. google is just under $400 billion. intel is about 194. yahoo is about 50. good news about august car sales, right? amazing news, guys. i know you guys have been big on the detroit story. we re going. i know you re going. 17 million cars annualized run rate sold as of the data. it could fall off. they re aggregating the data up from an annual basis. that would be the highest since 2006. chrysler has seen their cars more than doubled. i drive a jeep. go jeep. jeep sales going up more than 100%. some good news for the auto dealers, the auto sales people, and also hopefully for jobs, as some of these companies add more line workers, add more production in the united states. wherever it might be. and joe, i want to end with a question. i ve got a question for you, buddy. okay good. totally off topic. you won t see me for a couple weeks. but i ll say this. we miss you already. saturday night, virginia tech at ohio state. ohio state freshman quarterback, somehow they re 11.5-point favorites over my beloved hokies. do we cover? andrea would know the answer to that. andrea, do we cover? of course we do. i don t know the answer to that. brian, why are you leaving us? well, i m just going to be shifting you know, we re expecting a baby, so i m going to be trying to balance out a little bit of work, but making sure that i am as helpful as possible at home. look at him. aw! that almost makes me like you. i m tearing up. if any of your viewers have had a kid over the age of 40, this is a blessed surprise, i urge you to send me diaper changing tips. my skills are weak. you have shea in the house, a 10-year-old, right? an 11-year-old. oh yeah. we are enlisting her. we ve got a little doll, like this is what you do. shea is going to expect to be compensated for her efforts. i ll just speak for her. a little candy action? no, i think her allowance is going to need to go up. brian sullivan, thank you so much. coming up next, is game of thrones too much for croatia to handle? you and your children were asking that question just last night. we have the answers straight ahead. great. this is the last thing i need.) seriously? the last thing you need is some guy giving you a new catalytic converter when all you got is a loose gas cap. what? it is that simple sometimes. thanks. now let s take this puppy over to midas and get you some of the good ol midas touch. hey you know what? i ll drive! and i have no feet. i really didn t think this through. trust the midas touch. for brakes, tires, oil, everything. (whistling) before using her new bank of america credit card, which rewards her for responsibly managing her card balance. before receiving $25 toward her balance each quarter for making more than her minimum payment on time each month. tracy got the bankamericard better balance rewards credit card, which fits nicely with everything else in life she has to balance. that s the benefit of responsibility. apply online or visit a bank of america near you. whenwork with equity experts who work with regional experts who work with portfolio management experts that s when expertise happens. mfs. because there is no expertise without collaboration. are we still doing this? i ll clean out my purse. and we ll just toss it to lewis? look here in hollywood, we love when a hollywood story collides with a current national news story. george clooney is set to take on the subject of phone hacking. clooney will direct an adaptation of the nick davies book hack attack, the investigation into rupert murdoch s media empire and phone hacking. this has all the elements of lying, corruption, blackmail at the highest levels of government by the biggest newspaper in london. and the fact that it s true is the biggest part. nick is a brave and stubborn reporter. we consider it an honor to put his book to film. meanwhile, one of the stars of hbo s girls appears to be ready to take on a more masculine look. yesterday allison williams released the first photo of herself as peter pan, who she will play in the musical adaptation of peter pan live which airs on nbc in december. i think she looks pretty good. when she was cast in the role last month, she posted this picture on instagram telling fans she s been rehearsing for a really long time. now let s go from the childlike and the whimsical to the adult and inappropriate. lena headley is one of the few game of thrones characters that we haven t seen undress in the show, looks like that s about to change. production hit a roadblock when the church prohibited the filming of the naked scene in the city streets, but officials ok d the season five walk of shame from the famous church of st. nicolas, on the premise that lena doesn t set foot in the church. the show must go on. finally, rob ford is quite literally running for re-election, guys. here he is, the toronto mayor running from door to door this week, shaking hands, breaking a sweat, and hopefully not kissing too many babies. the internet, of course, jumped all over the images, and one intrepid youtube user produced this video, chariots of ford. that is a highlight reel for the ages. oh, my gosh. that guy. one more reason to mourn the early passing of chris farley. what he could have done. oh, right. with rob ford! you re right. that would have been great material. oh, my gosh. coming up next, what if anything did we learn today? musical chairs. fun, right? welllllllll, not when your travel rewards card makes it so hard to get a seat using your miles. that s their game. the flights you want are blacked out. or they ask for some ridiculous number of miles. honestly, it s time to switch to the venture card from capital one. with venture, use your miles on any airline, any flight, any time. no blackout dates. and with every purchase, you ll earn unlimited double miles. from now on, no one s taking your seat away. what s in your wallet? helping you find a dentist you ll want to go to for the rest of your life. we ve helped over 8 million people find that dentist, and we can do the same for you. call 1-800-dentist today. dad: he s our broker. he helps looks after all our money. kid: do you pay him? dad: of course. kid: how much? dad: i don t know exactly. kid: what if you re not happy? does he have to pay you back? dad: nope. kid: why not? dad: it doesn t work that way. kid: why not? vo: are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is managed? wealth management at charles schwab yeah. have you looked up the leaked celebrity nude photos? any yeses? there s one yes. yes. were they hot? yes. are you ashamed of yourself? no. why should by? have you looked up the leaked celebrity nude photos? has nicolas looked it up? we re about half and half. yes, i have. are you ashamed of yourself? not even a little. are you really creepy? moderately. have you looked up the leaked celebrity nude photos? we re about half and half on this one. i do periodically. but the ones that just leaked. no, i have not. now i have a task to do when i get home. you d think with the x-ray vision welcome back to morning joe. it s time to talk about what we learned today. what i learned is a lot of tall guys. and she has heels on. giants. three forwards here. congratulations to our good friend nicole wallace, who joined the table at the view. what a great move. andy murray just couldn t do it against djokovic. now i m worried about federer. what did you learn today? i learned how hard it is to wake up three days in a row to do this show in the morning. yeah. he comes in this morning like oh, i m so excited. i was at the tennis match until 2:00 a.m. it s not when you wake up, it s when you go to bed. always a real pleasure. i m always ready any time. we ve got to take the show to london so we can wake up at 11:00. and watch a liverpool game. yes. if it s way too early, it s morning joe. but stick around, because peter alexander has the daily rundown straight ahead. president obama trying to rally international help as the u.s. sends more resources to the region and the vice president declares they ll be chased to the gates of hell. meantime, vladimir putin puts out his plan to stop the fighting if ukraine, but will the west let russia dictate terms to end the crisis that russia itself helped to instigate? plus, new developments in the fight to control the senate. highlights and low blows from last night s carolina clash. as well as a surprise turn in kansas that has one roughed up republican crying foul. good morning from washington. it is thursday, september 4th, 2014. this is the daily
costs of fighting wildfires like this one in southern california. and keep the news out of ka lee coming. the red carpet awards that willy night in nbc. your host this year, the very talented seth meyers. that s going to do it for way too early. morning joe starts right now. i was under the impression. i thought bruce said he didn t want his music played at you re vents because he didn t believe in your politics. no, you re wrong about that. bruce has never asked me to do that. i saw bruce about a week and a half ago, and he had every opportunity to tell me not to. he didn t and he never has told me not to do it. i m pretty sure i know him and you re wrong. you re now expressing your politics. you re now expressing your politics and your objection, that s fine. don t put it in mr. springsteen s mouth. put it in yours. if you have an objection to it, you object. you have every right to object to it. i know bruce and i ve spoken to bruce and you re wrong. speak your mind. be angry or not, it doesn t matter to me. i have a job to do and i m going to do my job the best way i know how to do it. if you object to it, that s okay. the question i thought i heard what you have to say. we ve got the idea. seriously, when you start off by mischaracterizing. i didn t make it up. i m sure you re pretty sure. you have no place else to go with the story except to stick with the story you got. how about the story about the disabled. if you want to debate, run for governor and i ll debate you. i m not debating you now. that went on and on and on. i kept waiting for it he s back! good morning everyone. it s wednesday, august 20th. welcome to morning joe. that s a good sign because donny is over there that s terrible, he s such a bully. i m sitting there going he s doing really great. okay. onset, we have donny deutsch. you thought that was good? i thought that was great. we ll talk about that in a second. you know what i think is great, also. letting mika introduce people without interrupting her. we have a code on this show. we do? what s the code? don t interrupt. i didn t know about that code seven years in. msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee michael steele. in washington, roll call s editor in chief christina bellantoni. good to have you on board as well this morning. also coming up, they did the mugshot of rick perry. what a stupid speaking of governors. did he smile? he had a nice smile. look at him. he s a good looking guy. it s not exactly anything you know what? he looks good and has every reason to be happy right now. the democrats have over reached. from texas to virginia, bob mcdonnell on trial. we ll have report on that as well. that is that s a tough one. let me ask you about mr. springsteen and mr. christie. what did you think? i think the debate might have gone on a little long but i m used to people going on long. maybe that s why i related to it. you kept asking questions and as a reporter, she decided she was going to get into a debate, she had her springsteen information wrong and she started moving on to other questions, and he s right. if they want to hear the reporter, the reporter should hold a town hall meeting. they re there to hear chris christie. was that a reporter or constituent? i think it was a town hall it was a constituent. same with a constituent. sf they want to debate, the constituent can hold her own town hall meeting. i would much rather this happen than having him cowering in the corner going i m sorry. there s somewhere in between. i m not saying he should cower. he comes across as an obnoxious puj listic bully. i m looking as a human being, he looks like an unappealing, nasty human being. no, he doesn t. he looks like a guy there s a way to push back and move on. we ve seen thousands of politicians say that s unacceptable. next question. no disrespect to these two people who i know personally and like personally. but in the age of hillary clinton and jeb bush, a lot of people want to see that. in an age where washington, d.c. is stuck in the mud and everybody has canned responses and nobody shows their real emotions and everything you say is market tested and poll driven, that breaks through, and that s why chris christie worked before, and i think that s why, if the investigations all go what i said from the get-go, he definitely broke away from the mold. he put himself out there in every way in a very honest way, a way that seemed extremely authentic. willie is in jersey the authentic aspect is what resonates with people. it s authentic, but obnoxious. i go out to the hamptons in my $100 million mansion every week end, maybe it comes out that way. i thought you weren t going to it s your house. you have to pay it. he tortures me weekend and week out in the hamptons and he said i might be out there this weekend, can i come hang? we re doing this because sweet little lewis is getting married and having an engagement party. i m going to stay at gatsby s mansion. is it mick that lives there? i m like mick. i ll go there and watch you do all this profane stuff and sit there. then i go back he ll be in awe. i go back to the west end. you should see the green light. and joe will be dancing. really quickly, you re a jersey boy. when they want to know what the kids are thinking on the streets of jersey, they ask willie geist. what do you think? it s an odd topic, whether or not bruce springsteen likes you. i don t think it s as unanimously good as you might think it is in new jersey. i ve talked to people, they like the honesty, they like that kind of stuff. beneath that stuff, when they look at some of the other things he does, they doesn t always love it. the numbers are good for a guy who has been through a scandal, whether you think it s a big deal or not. i think what s important, if he has big aspirations is whether or not that plays outside of new jersey. we ve got a lot of news to cover. isis continues to be a dark cloud that covers the middle east. i can t even show the front of the new york post. but the daily news has a shot of they are absolute savages. i don t know what they think they re proving, but all they re doing is, they re just setting themselves up to be killed, all of them. everybody that acts that way, it never ends well for them when you do that to the united states. it just doesn t. it s not jingoism. where is osama bin laden now? i hope he enjoyed his day in the son. where is saddam hussein right now? i hope he enjoyed it. it s not going to end well for isis. i will say this again thank you president obama for going against your base. this is a scourge that needs to be wiped out from the middle east. i say that with great trepidation after supporting the gulf war, great trepidation after supporting the first gulf war, like about 70% of americans. that was, we found out later, an optional war. this fight against isis, there s nothing operational about it. they are a scourge that will continue to spread and find its way to america s doorstep. the reason i said we should get out of afghanistan four years ago is because the taliban didn t want to blow up buildings in the united states. these people, they want to kill us all, and if they stay in iraq and they stay get in control of an oil field and get money and get weapons, they will come to us and they will kill as many of us as quickly as they can. this is something the president can t ignore. i would like the republicans to salute them for stepping forward and doing what he s done over the past week or two. we can all go back and criticize what he s done i think democrats criticize what we republicans have done. and then we get nowhere. going against the base is something that some pol politician haves a lot of fear about. so that s commendable for you to say. the big story here in the united states, attorney general eric holder will be in ferguson, missouri, in just a few hours, 11 days after the deadly shooting of an unarmed black teenager by police. tense moments overnight between police and demonstrators after calm for most of the day. peaceful protesters could be heard screaming not tonight as water and glass bottle ts were thrown at police. state highway patrol captain ron johnson is hopeful the violence may be declining. i think that was made by the clergy, the activists, volunteers, men and women of law enforcement partnered together to make a difference, but also those citizens took heed to what we talked about last night, not allowing criminals to mask themselves in a peaceful protests. they protested early and went home early and allowed us to have a better look at those criminals and and staters roaming the streets for their own agenda. captain ron johnson. can you show the end of that clip again? i m just going to say it. got to work around the clock because of this. you have one african-american police captain and i see white faces back there. only 3 out of 50 it shouldn t be about race. guess what? it s about race. this is about race. i don t know. that speaks to the problem that that community has. that s the problem in ferguson, exactly. let s go to ferguson. nbc news correspondent craig melvin has been on the ground for several days. it s good to see you. we hear a relatively good night last night but we heard that before so we re leery of celebrating that. what is the mood on the ground and what you think now that you ve been there for a couple days breaks this and brings the peace. that s a good question, willie. everyone seems to be in pretty much universal agreement that the one thing that would probably empty these streets fairly quickly is if there was some sort of indictments, charges brought against that officer. as you know, the grand jury convening about 9:00 this morning to start hearing some evidence, it was very interesting, as you just heard there, 47 arrests last night, no molotov cocktails, no shooting, no teargas used. there was pepper spray used. you can see that in one of the clips played there. but it was calmer. the crowd itself, i can tell you, was smaller last night than it had been. there also seemed to be a shift in police strategy. captain johnson told me earlier in the day that we might see this and we did, in fact, see it last night. in previous nights you saw those officers in riot gear wearing helmets, shields out. shoulder to shoulder. sort of a very offensive position. last night you did not see that. you saw smaller groups of officers and they were mingling, so to speak, in some cases with these smaller groups of protesters as well that once again were being forced to make that lap around the main drag here in ferguson. we also saw those military-style vehicles. in previous nights, they had been right smack in the middle of the street again in sort of an offensive position. nonetheless, an intimidating position. last night those vehicles were not in the middle of the street. they were on the side as well. so there are a number of folks who have said said to me last night, that little things like that did, in fact, make a difference. of course, as you know, captain johnson urged the peaceful protesters not to come out last night and do their protesting in the day. by all accounts it looks like a lot of those protesters did just that. all right. speaking with msnbc s tamron hall, ferguson mayor james knowles looked to downplay suggestions of racial tensions within the community. take a look. there s not a racial divide in the city of ferguson. according to who? is that your perspective or do you believe that s the perspective of african-americans in your city? that s the perspective of all residents in our city. there are people, with all due respect, there are people on air on any network, even if you don t watch this one, who disagree and live there. i m asking, with all due respect, are you listening to them? absolutely. there s 22,000 residents in our community. this has affected about a half mile strip of street in our community. the rest of our community, the rest of the african-americans in our community are going through out their daily lives, going to businesses, walking their dog. kind of like saying after 9/11, look at new york. new york is fine. what s wrong with new york. that s perfect. what are you talking about? nothing has happened in new york. it s a small strip of buildings at the island down there. the guy is clueless right there. he is absolutely clueless. for days people have been asking where is the political leadership in this town. they hadn t seen mayors or members of the city council. he comes out and he s clueless. you understand why folks in that community will pissed off right now. he looks like he just came back from vacation and has no idea what s going on. there s three out of 53 members of the police force, his police force, right? right. that are black. not only that, mika. out of 53 in a city that s 70% african-american. how can you let that happen when you re hiring and trying to figure out a force that represents the community. i know how you let that happen. you don t think there s a problem. then to make matters worse, you say there s not a problem. you think because you say it that that means it s the rule of law because you are clueless and you re not self aware. i don t know if this guy knows, willie, even the egyptian government is chastising for what s going on in ferguson. if the generals in egypt are criticizing you for your human rights record. the ayatollah in iran is tweeting about ferguson, missouri. there are things that happened in the moments after this young man was killed that have traumatized that area of town, that whole town. he was left lying in the streets for hours. he was not covered up. and there were children there were people so stunned at what they were seeing, they were videotaping it because they didn t know what else to do. they were traumatized that they saw this young man get gunned down and he laid there in the middle of the street, not surrounded, not covered. they didn t put they said they didn t want to tamper with the scene. my god, they certainly didn t tamper with the scene. they left the scene there for everyone to see to be traumatized for hours. it s the same thing in the trayvon case. the parents weren t even notified that he was in the morgue for a couple of days. again, the game we always play around this set is what if a republican president did this and in these cases you have to ask what if it was a white 18-year-old kid shot in the middle of a suburban neighborhood? it s the same questions i asked every day during hurricane katrina. if this has happened in an exclusive suburb of dallas, texas, would the president be looking down from 30,000 feet or walking around shaking hands? it s the same thing here. if this happened in a white neighborhood. it continues to stress the black community in particular in these areas that are suddenly thrust into this reality again. for them it s every day. this is an everyday occurrence. this frustration has been going on for a long time. for the mayor to sit there and act like it isn t craig melvin, thank you very much. still ahead on morning joe, how a grand jury investigation into the death of choke hold victim eric garner play out in a staten island courtroom? we ll about to find out. plus we deal in the unique, the unusual, barely legal, and we always get the deal. this is barely legal pawn. just a few days away from this year s emmy awards, we have this reminder of how brilliant the cast of breaking bad was. up next from vice presidential candidate to intellectual leader of the republican party, paul ryan is standing by. i thought that was me. no, joe, it s paul. you took my mantle. i trademark that. he still looks like a sweet young man. you know who doesn t look like a sweet young man? bill karins. pretty amazetion stuff in arizona. we got trenched. it only happens a couple times every year. the flooding was pretty epic. north of phoenix they picked up about four inches of rain in a short period of time. horses being rescued, running in the water, numerous accidents. and 17 was closed at one point. when it rainses that water goes wherever it wants. that s over and done. the story now is the heat and humidity. the dew points measure how much moisture in the air. this is the most humid and hottest we ve been across the country, especially in the southern half. heat warning in st. louis and heat advisories from memphis into southern illinois. how hot will it be? not record shattering, when you add the humidity into this, it will feel like 105 today in st. louis. that continues all week. that s the thing about this. this is going to be a long duration, definitely as we go throughout the weekend and even into next week. look at memphis, tennessee, near 100 all weekend long. the heat is with us and it figures it would arrive at the end of summer. as we go into next week, we could be watching something in the tropics heading for areas like the gulf of mexico. it s going to be a feeling of summer and the tropical season in the week ahead. we leave you with a nice, warm, beautiful shot of the capital in washington, d.c. we ll have more coming up here on morning joe. you know what he said that s why i put this on. he said they were getting itchy. vernon jordan, seriously, every time i see him in the airport, he chases me down. and he s like, son, wear a tie. stop looking like that. he would know, joe. disgraceful. if i looked as good as vernon jordan every time i put on a coat and tie, i d wear a coat and tie. i assumed when i saw that, that s what you put on when you got out of bed. that s a faulty assumes. that s what i wore to bed. the night is still continuing. with us onset, not only the house budget chairman, but also the guy that puts out the list of the worst dressed man in america, congressman paul ryan. of wisconsin. out with the way forward: renewing the american idea. good to see you. how are you doing? doing well. how is the family. sn. great. cross country practice began the other day. all three doing it. the young guy on nye knee, the first year of eligibility. who is fastest? oh, my daughter. a great hurdler, too. were you a runner? distance. slow, not fast. slow and steady gets it done. what were you? i was fast and short. on my football team i ran the fastest, like eight yards. out of the gates i still surprise my son and his friends, i explode very quickly. after about eight yards, i have to smoke a cigarette. i m joking kids. daddy doesn t smoke. paul, a lot to talk about here. i want to get to as much as we can. we certainly want to talk about the book. first let s talk about ferguson which sfeeds right into the book. we were having a conversation yesterday about the frustration of covering ferguson and everybody is covering what happened in the past week. these people have been left behind. they ve been abandoned. let s try to pass this program, let s try to pass this program and we re not guilty anymore of the lives that they live. they re abandoned. isolated. i try not to inject my personal policy preferences on to a tragedy. i think just of respect for the brown family, the community, it s important as policymakers to see look what s happening and do what i think should be done. i think it s important not to do that. having said all that, i talk about it in this book and i put out a plan a number of weeks ago, we have got to reengage with the poor in america. we are in the 50th anniversary on the war on poverty and poverty is winning. let s think about how to measure success instead of on input, how many dollars we spend, but helping people out of poverty. how do we engage when americans are hearing republicans saying let s cut this program, let s cut that program? one of the reasons i wrote this book, if you don t like the governing philosophy prevailing in washington, what would we do differently? i think the country is on the wrong track. a lot of people agree with me. not everybody. here is the kind of governing philosop philosophy, the community agenda and the solutions necessary for renewing the american idea which is basically the condition of your birth doesn t determine the outcome of your life. my question is, does that require a slashing of spending for the type of programs that keep a lot of people that we re seeing on tv alive, the food on the table? the entire premise of that question presupposes that these programs are great. i don t presuppose that. but i know we can t tomorrow pass a budget that s going to cut aid off to the truly disadvantaged. you voted for welfare reform in 1996 that did more to reduce child poverty than any reform in the modern era. what i m saying is let s rethink it like that, take the other welfare programs that have not been reformed and cuz tommize them to a person s individual specific needs so we can work on fighting poverty, soul to soul, eye to eye and back up a community. one of the problems i think of the war on poverty, we ve had this federal government intervention that has told the common taxpayer, this is government s responsibility, it s not ours. we ve isolated people in our communities. i think we need to reengage that. let s reform the welfare program so that we re getting able-bodied people in the workforce. we talk about high tax rate. the highest arguably is the single mom making $20,000 to $40,000 who ends up making a decision going to work and faces these high marginal tax rates. there s a lot of room for reform. congressman, you know the cartoon version of you put out by critics and democrats, all you want to do is cut, cut, cut. you want to throw old people and poor people out on the street. how do you answer that in the context of this conversation? what would you do specifically besides cutting to help disadvantaged people? first i d say read my book, not just a shameless plug. i talk about a different governing philosophy to reconnect people with the american idea who don t think it s there for them in their communities. i ve proposed a number of things here, rethinking the way we fight poverty and reintegrating civil society, communities with federal resources to focus on getting able bodied people to work and having a safety net that s resilient for those who can t help themselves. one of the problems in america, we re going bankrupt. we have a debt crisis on the horizon. that puts the safety net in jeopardy. the or problem is we re not having the economic growth and opportunity. a lot of reforms there. with specific focus on poverty, there are people in america who are doing amazing things over coming poverty, helping people do so. i talk about a lot of them in my book. i talk about an agenda that helps fwhak up so we can do more of those things. we need another. we have to do lightning round. we brought christina in from washington. christina from roll call? she hates you. for 30 minutes, i m going to trash him. the only reason i m here. we told her to hold back. how do you expect the issue will be resolved with the border spending bill? you guys passed something before you left. it s going to be the first issue confronting you when you come back september 8th. you also have talk that there could be a supplemental request coming from the white house. could those two issues end up being merged? i think that s quite possible. as you know, the supplemental we carried in our budget was higher than what the administration asked for. i think there will be a reconciliation there. we re waiting to see what the senate will do on the border bill since the house acted to deal with the humanitarian crisis on the border. if there s an additional supplemental request from the white house on iraq, that s something we ll have to deal with basically in a week or so. mike? to pick up on what you have in your book, let s take the landscape where the republicans take the senate in november. now you have the house and the senate. how do we govern with president obama 2015 to 2016? we should define ourselves with our actions and pass the policies we believe and show what we can do if we can get them into law. put some things on president obama s desk to have hick maim decisions. be prudent in trying to get the incremental gains to get things moving. like the budget deal patty murray and i did last year, do something like that again, to get modest down payments on our debt situation. candidly, i don t think we re going to fix these big problems with this president. get things done on an incremental basis and also show what we would do if we could. on an incremental basis and not impeaching the president. that comes from wackos on the left. this is a hold on, hold on. here we go. we re going to get this on tape. should the president be impeached? no. we got it on tape. there we go. we got it on tape. i don t do that with everybody. i agree with you. they ll find one crackpot. out of 435 i was always a crackpot with what i had to say thank you, paul. sometime in washington in the fall, run around the wall, your kids against mine. i have runners. me and willie will do eight-yard sprints. the book is the way forward. congressman paul ryan, thank you so much. up next, guaranteed skol ships you guys can t say oh, impeach he s the intellectual leader of the party. very, very smart. smart young man. plus the right to target tourists. taking matters into their own hands? the morning papers are next. [ woman ] the cadillac summer collection is here. [ male announcer ] during the cadillac summer s best event, lease this 2014 ats for around $299 a month. hurry in this exceptional offer ends soon. hurry in this exceptional offer ends soon. no question about that. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment s right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or any allergic reactions like rash, hives, swelling of the lips, tongue or throat, or difficulty breathing or swallowing, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis for daily use and a free 30-tablet trial. dust irritating your eye? (singing) visine® gives your eyes relief in seconds. visine®. get back to normal. [ girl ] my mom, she makes underwater fans that are powered by the moon. she can print amazing things, right from her computer. [ whirring ] [ train whistle blows ] she makes trains that are friends with trees. my mom works at ge. it s time to take a look at the morning papers. we ll start with the baltimore sun. the university of maryland announced a new program that will guarantee so-called lifetime scholarships to student athletes until they graduate. it means athletes will be able to finish their studies regardless of injuries or how they perform. that s a great idea. i think that s fantastic. the new program will go into effect this november. from the staten island advanced, grand jury will decide if charges should be filed in the choke hold death of eric garner. this next month the grand jury will review all evidence in the case and doesn t need a unanimous agreement to decide whether to indict. earlier this month the city examiner ruled the death a homicide caused by a choke hold and compression of his chest during the arrest. the washington post, top obama strategist is heading to silicon valley. david plouffe, presidential adviser is joining uber as senior vice president of policy and strategy. the car service is looking to use plouffe s campaign skills to gain entry into more cities, many of which have a powerful taxi lobby and strict regulations through which the company will have to maneuver. i thought he was going to be chief of staff? he s going into the private sector. the new york post. dozens of costume characters in new york city s times square held a rally on tuesday. oh, good lord. to fight for the ability to collect tips from tourists. the rally comes as police stop police continue to crack down following reports of aggressive i m sorry. it is kind of funny. numerous characters have also been arrested for alleged assault harassment or groping. why don t we all say that s why they re laughing. you see people put on these dirty outfits and you think they re creeps. some of them are nice people. but when i saw all those i would never let my kids like in the middle of that. they re groping? it s a little hard, with due respect to take them seriously when minnie mouse is holding a press conference, shaking her fist at the cameras. charlottesville daily progress a stoner in unionville, new jersey, has been arrested for allegedly selling weed. his name, paul scott stoner. mr. stoner was growing marijuana and selling it to minors. you can t do that. charged with manufacturing weed and possession of a firearm. further charges are still pending. i didn t understand when you said stoner was arrested for selling weed. okay. still ahead, congress may be in recess, but we now know how one of the senate s most respected members sends his downtime. senator mccain getting loose. that s not mccain. are you kidding me? i think she tried to kill us. no, it s only 15 calories. with reddi wip, fruit never sounded more delicious, with 15 calories per serving and real cream, the sound of reddi wip is the sound of joy. nobody ever stomped their foot and asked for less. there s a reason it s called an all you can eat buffet. and not a have just a little buffet. because what we all really want is more. now get our best ever pricing with the more everything plan. 1 gb of bonus data per month per line. verizon smart rewards to rack up points for the things you really want. and 50% off all new smartphones, like the htc one m8 for windows & android. built to inspire envy. come get your more with verizon. [ jackhammer pounding, horns honking ] [ siren wailing ] visit tripadvisor miami. [ bird chirping ] with millions of reviews, tripadvisor makes any destination better. [ male announcer ] that s why there s ocuvite to help replenish key eye nutrients. ocuvite has a unique formula not found in your multivitamin to help protect your eye health. ocuvite. help protect your eye health. we re changing the way we do business, with startup ny. ocuvite. we ve created tax free zones throughout the state. and startup ny companies will be investing hundreds of millions of dollars in jobs and infrastructure. thanks to startup ny, businesses can operate tax free for 10 years. no property tax. no business tax. and no sales tax. which means more growth for your business, and more jobs. it s not just business as usual. see how new york can help your business grow, at startup.ny.gov 44 past. there are brand new polls for governor andrew quom mow and the investigation into his decision to shut down an ethics commission. 51% have read or heard about it. 45% are unaware. 77% say the decision was a political deal. overall, a combined 83% say government corruption is a serious problem in new york. 48% say cuomo is part of the problem. cuomo s ahead of republican rob affidavit reno, essentially the same as in may. it doesn t seem to have affected race. donny, no impact there? no. you may like or dislike andrew cuomo. he has done by most measures a very effective job in new york. he s not getting unseated. i think people are somewhat an northwest sized, government is a little corrupt. unless it s something interestingly enough like the christie bridge thing, where people can understand whether that happened or not. that s funny. here you have a guy that shut down an ethics commission compared to two lanes being shut down and you re like shutting down two lanes. joe can i finish. you are a funny it s the people s inability to understand the scandal. the bridge thing, oh, he closed down lanes. that same poll, if you asked people what are you talking about, they would have no idea. with your rich left wing friends. there are rich right wing people, too. a lot of hedge fund guys. mainly left wing. christina, it looks like andrew cuomo could do basically anything and still win this race. it s the governor s race, is it going to be fast governor s race that dannel malloy down seven points. this is what happens in a national tie because democrats are starting to really feel the pain in a lot of places, and roll call has a story that went up about illinois and governor pat quinn there, extremely unpopular. he only won three counties when he won his race in 2010. now he s not even doing well in those. they re fearing that house democrats could be dragged down along with him. they re already in tight races. some of them are among the more vulnerable members of the house this year. in some of these marginal places, this could end up being a tie that takes people up and down the ticket. that s what we saw in 2010, that tide started to turn and swept in new state legislatures and governors. we ll look for that piece, christina bellantoni, thank you so much. we ll be checking out the top stories in roll call this morning, first thing after morning joe. should super bowl half-time performers pay to play? if the nfl has its way, that will be happening. okay. morning joe will be right back. ups is a global company, but most of our employees live in the same communities that we serve. people here know that our operations have an impact locally. we re using more natural gas vehicles than ever before. the trucks are reliable, that s good for business. but they also reduce emissions, and that s good for everyone. it makes me feel very good about the future of our company. the summer that summers from here on will be compared to. so get out there, and get the best price guaranteed. find it for less and we ll match it and give you $50 toward your next trip. expedia. find yours. it s the yoplait greek taste-off and we are asking the music city which 100-calorie strawberry greek yogurt is the next big thing. i m a random lady with a table full of yogurt. want some greek yogurt? can i ask you a question? tell us what tastes best. this one is definitely the winner. that one is good. a is great. yoplait greek 100! that s the stuff right there. you want to see which one yoplait greek beat? chobani yes! yoplait greek wins again. take the taste-off for yourself! it is a beautiful day for yogurt. nervous whitening will damage your teeth? introducing new listerine® healthy whitetm. it not only safely whitens teeth, but also restores enamel. lose the nerves, and get a healthier, whiter smile that you ll love. listerine® healthy whitetm. power to your mouthtm! t wall street journal reports that the nfl is asking artists to pay to perform at this year s super bowl half-time show. the performers narrowed down to three, rihanna, katy perry and cold play. officials asked if they would be willing to give a portion of their post super bowl tour income or some other financial contribution to the league in exchange for the half-time gig. donny, you said it makes sense. obviously if it s known that they pay, it takes away from having said that, any of these artists would pay because the reality of getting in front of a billion people, that audience, bruno mars last year exploded even more. it is the stage of the year. i don t think it will ever be public, but if they work out some behind the scenes do they usually get paid? no. but the exposure. it s the best exposure of the year. for the first time ever, a little leaguer has made the national cover of sports illustrated. no way! s.i. cover girl, 13-year-old pitching sensation monet davis who plays for philadelphia s tan any dragons. girls play? she throws some heat. the eighth grader first grabbed national attention for throwing a shutout that sent her team to the world series. then she followed that up by becoming the first girl to throw a shutout in world series history after a 4-0 win over nashville. also the sixth girl ever to record a hit at the little league world series. monet davis says her dream is to play basketball for the university of connecticut. how cool is that. we introduce add new segment, scarborough horoscope. his horoscope is keep your ideas simple today because the more complicated your plans get, the more likely you ll end in failure. you really don t need to do anything out of the ordinary at the moment. just be yourself. that s more than enough. that s today s scarborough horoscope. simple plans for a simple mind. be yourself. i don t know how that s different than what he does every day. that will be on every day at 6:52. coming up the top of the hour, protesters and police. we ll explore both sides of the standoff in ferguson, missouri and the issues raised because of the violence there. from county court to ice cream cones. we ll break down what turned out to be an eventful day for texas governor rick perry. paul rudd gets a superhero makeover. hollyweird is straight ahead. we ll be right back. in new york state, we re changing the way we do business, with startup ny. we ve created tax free zones throughout the state. and startup ny companies will be investing hundreds of millions of dollars in jobs and infrastructure. thanks to startup ny, businesses can operate tax free for 10 years. no property tax. no business tax. and no sales tax. which means more growth for your business, and more jobs. it s not just business as usual. see how new york can help your business grow, at startup.ny.gov that, my friends, is everything. and with the quicksilver card from capital one, you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase. not just everything at the hardware store. not everything, until you hit your cash back limit. quicksilver can earn you unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you could possibly imagine. say it with me everything. one more time, everything! and with that in mind. what s in your wallet? frothere s no reasonn average 17 we can t manufacture in shuthe united states. here at timbuk2, we make more than 70,000 custom bags a year, right here in san francisco. we knew we needed to grow internationally, we also knew that it was much more complicated to deal with. i can t imagine having executed what we ve executed without having citi side by side with us. their global expertise was critical to our international expansion into asia, into europe and into canada. so today, a customer can walk into our store in singapore, will design a custom bag and that customer will have that american made bag within a few days in singapore. citi has helped us expand our manufacturing facility; the company has doubled in size since 2007. if it can be done here in san francisco, it can be done anywhere in america. welcome back to morning joe. donny was hanging out with elite company over the weekend. hamptons for the apollo raising money for the apollo theater. big event. i ve never seen a room like this, from jack nickel son, barbra streisand, christie and mccain, jamie foxx. it was ridiculous. bon jovi played and sting played and pharrell played. of course, there was mccain and christie dancing on stage. jamie foxx was on stage, called up governor christie. let s give some props here to senator john mccain doing the robot. the arizona center showed he can get down a little bit. oh, my goodness. i think it s fantastic. he dives in. let s give him credit for that. he shows up. jamie foxx said he was impressed by senator mccain s robot. good stuff. wow. if you re going to take vienna, take vienna. he s taking vienna right there. fantastic. on monday night the team from rhode island at the little league world series was a little low after being eliminated. the manager david bell isle gave his teary-yeed team an inspirational speech they re sure to remember. everybody, heads up high. let s talk for a moment here. i got to see your eyes, guys. there s no disappointment in your effort in the whole tournament, the whole season. it s been an incredible journey. look at the score. 8-7. 12-10 in hits. came to the last out, we didn t quit. that s us. boys, that s us. the only reason why i ll probably end up shedding a tear is because this is the last time i m going to end up coaching you guys. but i m going to bring back with me and the coaching staff and you guys will bring back something that no other team can provide but you guys, that s pride, pride. i love the smile. pride, we got each other. what a great message. i m going to cry. all right. that was beautiful. the next hour of morning joe starts right now. when i was a u.s. attorney privately to our staff, i hear a politician make some comments about a case they thought we were working on or whatever, i d say i hate when these guys that don t know anything act like they know everything. now that i m in public office, i don t want to be guilty of the same thing i used to criticize them for. until i know more, i ll give the police the benefit of the doubt here in new jersey and as for missouri, let s let those guys work it out an learn whatever lessons we need to learn from what happened when we get all the facts. welcome back to morning joe. donny deutsch, michael steele with us. an ominous view of new york city with the national in the background, look at that. we have political columnist for time magazine i would love a picture of that. joe klein joins us today. we re so blessed actually to be here every morning. jo klein, good to have you. in washington, chief white house correspondent for the new york times peter baker and president of the benard center for women politics and public policy michelle bernard joins us as well. good to have you on the show this morning. good morning. a lot to get to. attorney general eric holder will be in ferguson, missouri, in just a few hours. 11 days after the deadly shooting of an unarmed black teenager by police. there were tense moments again overnight between police and demonstrators after palm for most of the day. peaceful protesters could be heard screaming not tonight as water and glass bottles were thrown at police. 47 people were arrested. state highway patrol captain ron johnson is hopeful the violence may be declining. i think that turning point was made by the clergy, the activists, the volunteers, the men and women of law enforcement who partnered together to make a difference. also those citizens took heed to what we talked about last night, not allowing criminals to mask themselves in a peaceful protests. they protested early and went home early and allowed a better visual, a look at those criminals and and staters roaming the streets for their own agenda. earlier in the day there was another police-involved shooting just two miles from ferguson. st. louis, police, shot and killed a man armed with a knife. just hours before his visit, attorney general holder is making a pledge to the residents of ferguson in an open letter he vows there will be a full, fair and independent investigation meanwhile a funeral will be held for 18-year-old michael brown whose death earlier led to the widespread protests. mayor james knowles had a heated back and forth with msnbc s tamron hall over whether there is a racial divide in ferguson. there s not a racial divide in ferguson. is that your perspective or do you believe that s the perspective of african-americans in your community? that is a perspective of all residents in our city, absolutely. have you been watching the news? please w all due respect, there are people on air, on any net work even if you don t watch this one who disagree who live there. with all due respect, are you listening to them? absolutely. there s 22,000 residents in our community. this has affected about a half-mile strip of street in our community. the rest of our community, the rest of the african-americans in our community are going about their daily lives, going to our businesses, walking their dog, going to our neighborhood watch meetings. that s like saying after 9/11, the upper side the restaurant is really good this time of year. put him on a milk car tochb. you understand why ferguson is having the problems it s having on the police force. it has 50 white officers and three african-americans and a mayor who says there s no racial problems in ferguson. are you kidding me? it s as if the community were cry logically frozen in the era before the voting rights act passed. this is a melanin-deprived government in a 60% black town. the lack of political leadership throughout, including the governor jay nixon, has been just appalling. where has he been? why haven t there been town meeting there is to talk about this? leadership is such an x factor. you go down the list. i was talking to my former chief of staff during katrina. he said you know what? this is what happens when politics gets into checking the box. are they pro life or pro choice? are they for guns or against guns? then you get to the x factor of leadership. i talk about jeb because i saw him up close. i ve never seen anyone take command more powerfully but also with a light touch when he needed it. bill clinton, obviously, a guy you kronkaled has the x factor of leadership in times of crisis. it s missing here. on all sides. all levels. there isn t the quality of black leadership that the country used to have. let s go to peter baker here, your front page article in the new york times today. obviously a vacuum at local leadership. eric holder stepping in. fascinating piece on the differences between these two men, eric holder, a son of the civil rights movement. barack obama, obviously much more complicated background which doesn t connect him quite as viscerally as eric holder. talk about the two men who share the same vision but have different approaches and at the end of the day will have a big impact on what happens in ferguson. you do see these two men, the first african-american president, the first african-american attorney general. they share a vision but approach from different points of view. sometimes you hear disappointment on the part of some of president obama s supporters, that he s not more outspoken on issues like this, that he s not as assertive as attorney general holder seems to be. the backgrounds, where they come from, what their personal experiences are, and the roles they play. president obama is not a very he s a reserved person to begin with. he wants to find a balance, be the president for all people. he doesn t want to influence a case that s very active. they make a distinction between this and his personal comments after the trayvon martin case which came after the courts had already acted. in this case he s holding back trying to calm a situation without inflaming it, whereas attorney general holder will be on the ground today in ferguson personally taking charge of the investigation there to some extent. michelle, it s donny. let s say you re the czar put in charge of turning this thing around and you have a playbook at this point going forward. what happens to not put this behind us, but to take this and elevate it and put it on the right track? sf i were running this, one of the things i would do quite frankly is appeal to the president. i understand his role. he s in a very difficult situation. we know he s being briefed daily. he is intimately aware of what s happening. i think this is one of those times where we need leadership from the absolute very top of the nation. one of the best speeches i believe president obama ever gave was when he spoke with then senator obama right after the whole controversy with reverend wright. he talked about things happening in the black community and black people themselves being responsible for our lives. when we talk about the racial divide that we re seeing, i ll tell you, i have seen some of the nastiest hate mail i have ever seen in my entire life in dealing with public policy issues, and the divide is so clear. we need someone like the president to come in and say, look, as a member of the african-american community, i understand what ills the community and what we need to do, ourselves as a community to take responsibility for our lives. however that doesn t mean that the government can be a co-conspirator in what looks like the execution of a young black men. the lives of black males are just as valuable and just as important as others. mukal, we talked earlier. it s so important we come together. i was wondering, the trayvon case. i caught a lot of you know what, a lot of crap for talking about how offensive it was things that went on down there: i see for the first time a break in the dam of republican silence. i m not saying republicans are racist or insensitive. my party, though, usually shuts up when things like this happen. rand paul come out and say there are two americas when it comes to justice. he s exactly right. you have erick erickson, another conservative guy, a good friend of mine saying, hey, guys, we really shouldn t wait for this to happen to a white kid before we get offended. let s get offended now. even ted cruz talked about the heavy handedness of it. that s to me a really good sign. if we re going to have a real conversation about race, we need both sides engaged in this. you do need both sides engaged and to take it out of the realm of the political. at the end of the day, this is how white america views black america and how black america responds to that. that s the conversation we re not having. we dance around it. we gloss over it and say we re in a post racial america because we have a black president in the white house, a black attorney general. at the end of the day, young black males are being arrested, killed and harassed in their communities. as the economy suffers, it gets worse. combination of the criminal justice system, the economy, all these factors playing out in these communities. the problem is we re not addressing them. it builds up like any pressure system. it s important to hear rand paul on the right and folks on the left talk about this or begin to break this open. at the end of the day, if we don t deal with it, it festers i want to come from the left f from an unexpected point of view. obviously this is a tragedy. i want to liken this to a medical situation, where on a daily basis there are tens of thousands of operations going on in this country, life and death. sometimes there s malpractice, the doctor screws up. before we talk about black america, white america and this tremendous divide, isn t there just basically an ar rith mattic certainty that out of hundreds of thousands of daily interactions between law enforcement and suspects, whatever you want to that this is going to donny, i know where you re going, donny. here is the deal. we have made great, great over the past 50, 60 years we ve made great strides. but in this area, the criminal justice system. if your kid gets busted for weed, african-american kid gets busted for weed. your kid is off. the african-american, he could be in jail for five there is an uneven application of crime and punishment in america based on the color of skin. right wing bloggers, you can be pissed off with me if you want to, it s just numbers it really is. you can look numerically joe klein at the numbers and black males, they re so much worse in the system. and this, even if we don t look at who has the money, to have the lawyers. you ve got to look at reality, too. this is a very complicated situation. first of all, there are two competing stories about what actually happened. part of the problem we have in having a conversation about this in this country i ve done a lot of reporting in neighborhoods like this when african-americans look in a situation, they see a metaphoric truth of 400 years of white people vamping on blacks. but that s not good enough you also have to look at the facts of the case. by the way, i said that. i m not even talking about this case. i m talking about in general, the criminal justice system in general, blacks represent 13% of the population and 50% of the people convicted for murder. 90% of blacks who are killed are killed by other blacks. this is a cultural problem in that community which may well have roots in all of the historic crap we ve laid on t m them, but it las to be expressed with a certain amount of subtlety and complexity. joe, i just wanted to add quickly. when we talk about problems within the african-american community and talk about criminal justice, i think we have to talk about prescriptions, i think the most important prescription everyone needs to be having at the national level is education. african-americans and other people who find themselves ignored and living in low income neighborhoods are almost relegated to being a permanent underclass because your education is based on zip code. we all know that you escape poverty with a good education. if you can t get a good education, we re going to continue to see what we re seeing in ferguson and we re going to continue to see some people in the commit community believe that black people are lesser. that s why a lot of us around this table, i will put politics into it, are offended when poor african-american children in harlem are not allowed to have the same choices on what school they want to go to as rich white people. that s right. by the way, when you stand i will say this. when you stand in the doorway of allowing a poor african-american child in harlem to be able to go to a good school for political purposes a charter school. a charter school. a public charter school, you are no better than george wallace standing in the door of the university of alabama and not letting african-americans go in the kids in the charter schools in harlem are scoring the same on aptitude tests as the rich kids in westchester county. with all their tutors. exactly. joe klein, thank you so much. michelle bernard, thank you as well. peter stay with us. we have other stories to get to you on. still ahead on moenl morning joe, the two sides of maureen mcdomd as told by the other maureen mcdonnell, bob mcdonnell s sister. they share the same name as his wife testifies in the couple s corruption trial. we have all the details. we ll also get the latest from alaska s important senate primary, the republican primary there. up next, #ferguson, how twitter played a major role in thrusting the missouri story into the national spotlight. the new york times david carr joins us with how social media is break news in a new and compelling way. you re watching morning joe. we ll be right back. who s more excited about back to school savings at staples? the moms? or the dads? with guaranteed low prices on sharpies, it s definitely the dads. staples. make more happen for less. dovisit tripadvisor new york. with millions of reviews, tripadvisor makes any destination better. u.s. intelligence officials are analyzing a video that appears to show islamic militants murdering an american journalist. it appears to show them be heading james foley. the militants say it is retaliation for u.s. air strikes against isis in iraq. they are threatening to to kill another journalist held captive there. peter baker, i goes most americans are waking up this morning and seeing the i ll say it, the sheer evil in isis, a lot of these militants. i think it s been fascinating what s been happening with the white house over the past several days. the president saying it s a humanitarian mission and then we announce that we re going to help the kurds. then he announces he s going to bomb. it continues to grow. it continues to expand. is there an increasing understanding inside the white house of just how dangerous isis is, not only that region but to the world? well, i think if they didn t know before, certainly that video yesterday reinforced it. it was grisly. it s brutal. assuming it s verified by the intelligence agencies, it s a great tragedy for the family of james foley who only went there to record what was happening and tell people around the world. obviously this is a white house that doesn t want to find itself in mission creep. it doesn t want to get dragged back into a war that s not, in their view, america s. there a sense that isis representing a greater threat than we ve seen in a while. with this new government in bagdad, designated prime minister abadie, their hope is they can work with the government in the way they haven t been able to with maliki s government before, to counter the isis threat. you do see a little more robust action on the part of the americans beyond simply the immediate humanitarian crisis we were talking about in mount sinjar last week. peter baker, thank you very much. here with us now, david carr who wrote over the weekend about social media s role in the ferguson story. he wrote in part this, the web crackled with one story and one story only. it wasn t long before cable news made adjustments and a huge story, a militarized response to a mostly non-violent exercise in free speech took center stage. for that you can thank twitter which is often derided as a platform for realities, but has become much more than that in the age of always-on information. nothing good was happening in ferguson until it became a hash tag. david carr, thank you for being here. we always love having you on. we ve heard stories going back to 2004 in ukraine, the orange revolution, about how texting got people together and now we re hearing it happening, i guess iran 2009. what happened here in ferguson, when that hash tag got in front of ferguson, you say the bag things that were happening at least started to slow down a bit. i think part of the reason it was a big story on twitter is the people were trying to do their job, as we do, with cameras and crews who were getting pushed out. it fell on the people with phones in their hand to make it happen. it s a story it s a deep and complicated story, right? when you see people in militarized clothing pointing sniper rifles at american civilians, that s really all you sort of need to know about what s going on in terms of how big of a deal it is, right? that s why twitter was a good place for it. talk about how social media in general has grown over the past for things like this, where it actually bends the arc of the story. i think what happens is, when you look at twitter, there s people represented on twitter that aren t represented in your average network audience. twitter index is in the black community in the way that mainstream television doesn t, so it offers a visibility and window into that community. the other thing is it has a bias toward media. we re all, of course, talking to each other and sending notes to each other. that thunder dome, that echo tends to making stories mushroom very, very quickly. there s always an underbelly with every technology. the way traditional media uses twitter almost defeats democratization of it. you read the post they highlight six tweets. they may not be representative. there s an irony that there s still this basically hom mojization or certainly editing. we thought there would be a thousand flowers, but it s still the same oak trees standing there. i think a lot of other media tends to take a redakive approach to twitter. on wednesday night i know you and probably joe, mika, you just sat there and watched the waterfall come in. news is these days a list oftentimes. people talk about watching things on twitter because things were moving so quickly. a lot of it was carrying images. it was the best place to see what was going on. yes in the morning there was a distill asian of it and people have applied editorial practices to it. but in realtime it was quite something to behold. and different emotions and points of view fell into that waterfall in a way that in the mainstream media sometimes you get more of a canned look. it s weird, isn t it, that some something 140 characters and it can have that much emotional content. david carr, thank you so much. i love david carr. you can read his latest peeft on new yorktimes.com. coming up, mark begich finally has an opponent to face off. is it that joe miller guy? we ll find out. if a picture is worth 1,000 words, you won t want to miss what we have to say about rick prry s mug shot. they did a mug got. we ll be right back. vo: this is the summer. the summer of this. the summer that summers from here on will be compared to. where memories will be forged into the sand. and then hung on a wall for years to come. get out there, with over 50,000 hotels at $150 dollars or less. expedia. find yours. from safety. to fuel economy. to quality. today s chevrolet has it all. and the time to buy is now. it s the chevy labor day sale! and 0% financing for 72 months is back! plus, no monthly payments for 90 days. 0% financing for 72 months plus no monthly payments for 90 days on most 2014 vehicles. the chevy labor day sale going on now. find new roads at your local chevy dealer. machines will be sprayed to be made. and making something stronger. will mean making it lighter. one day, factories will work with the cloud. one day. is today. . 30 past the hour. political i didn t see that coming. news out of alaska, dan sullivan was declared the winner of the state s republican senate primary. the former state attorney general was considered the front-runner and backed by many establishment republicans. with more than 80% of precincts reporting, sullivan had about 40% of the vote. there s that joe miller guy. joe miller, of course, was the guy that won the nomination back four years ago, murkowski beat him as an independent. he s probably piss ed off this morning, jim vandehei. talked about possibly running as an independent. do you think he s going to run as an independent and do unto the republican party as the republican party did unto him? they did everything they could do to put themselves in a position to win back the senate. it doesn t mean they ll win the senate. is this another tea party loss? would this be considered a tea party loss? why am i asking you. kasie hunt is here. so is this another would this be considered by the alaskan tea party as another loss for the tea party? in some ways, yes. in some ways this has just become a very, very personal thing for joe miller. it s a little bit about the tea party and a lot about the fact that he felt completely abandoned by republicans who backed murkowski when he won the nomination. thhe personally knows karl re which is why his group has gone so much into him. he worked for condi rice at the state department. they got so into him because they were worried about a joe miller can you queue up the theme song for the empire strikes. astounding what the republican establishment has done this year. i don t know what s going to happen in the senate, but in the republican party, they have owned this election cycle. just by not being stupid. they basically got engaged, figure out who is the most electable candidate. spent money early, were really aggressive. you act as if just not being stupid is not a huge achievement for our republican party. we would be walking around in pajamas and slippers in renault. stupid in 2010 and got it right in 2012. the iowa camp explained that. the question i have about the fall, in this process, in this march of the empire striking back, joe, do you see that base staying with the party? have they come with the conclusion it is better to win with as opposed to win with principle? you understand this better than anyone because of the positions you ve had. it s not like these guys are squishy moderates. they re really, really conservative people. better at getting really conservative people that can be backed by the establishment. we re not talking about the rise of moderates. talking about the rise of super, duper two other stories. governor rick perry is speaking out after spending time at an austin courthouse where he was booked on a pair of felony corruption charges. i m going to fight this injustice with every fiber of my being and we will prevail. the actions that i took were lawful, they were legal and they were proper. this indictment is fundamentally a political act that seeks to achieve at the courthouse what could not be achieved at the ballot box. i ll tell you what, unless there s something by the way, that is a good looking man. i m serious. i could pay annie liebowitz to take my picture and rick perry s courthouse shot is better than mine. on the cover of time magazine. it s great stuff. jim vandehei, unless i m missing something, this is one of the greatest abuses of power on the national level i have seen. this is not on rick perry s part. not on rick perry s part. this office in austin, texas, that does this. they did it to tom delay and now doing it to rick perry. tom delay i don t know. that shag carpet is deep. i don t know what s in that shag carpet. but kay bailey hutchison, that was a scam. this rick perry indictment is a scam. as i said before, ronald reagan, according to the prosecutor in austin, texas, ronald reagan throwing the budget down and say if you i will veto this bill. that s like a criminal offense. can i ask who is going to indict this guy who is indicting other people for political reasons? who is going to investigate this? this is a runaway beer truck in the austin prosecutor s office. it s disgraceful in my opinion. when you have the new york times editorial board going to the defense of rick perry, you know something is up. it makes perry bigger when i don t think he s a legitimate contender for 2016. he gets way too much coverage, more than he deserves. there s parts of his campaign last time around that were really laughable. i think he s a lot better this year than he was you already have republicans saying john mccain saying this indictment is going to help rick perry because it s going to motivate people who are angry because they think he s politically targeted. the strategy is so interesting. they decided he s going to take this head on. mika, what s really troubling is the fact, we talked to paul ryan about impeachment. some republicans talk about impeaching barack obama, a small number, but they re stupid when they do. that s taking politics to a bad level. the next level would be, you know, this, where you re actually talking about putting somebody in jail for up to 99 years for not a veto, for a public veto threat. you talk about a kangaroo court in austin, texas, this is disgraceful. nobody enjoys a mugshot more than this guy, rick perry. when you take a look at that picture, keep in mind he really did enjoy it. right after the mugshot he went and got ice cream. not joking. good for him. good for him. listen, we have been around this table, mika, and we have been tougher on rick perry around this table than probably anybody in american media. i m guilty. very tough. the very mention of my name, there were news reports made his wife gasp. very upset with you. no, she s not. we re okay now. but this is a disgray. this comes from a guy that beat him up more than anybody else three years ago. i hope it helps him. all right. speaking of 2016, hillary clinton heads to iowa to speak at the annual state fry next month. what is a steak fry? do they fry their steaks? lots of butter. i m sure it s delicious. i love butter and it s good for you, too. i m sure if i went to a steak fry, i wouldn t have done so without serious damage. i don t grill a lot, there s a lot of butter. okay. stop. the event is becoming a must-visit for democratic presidential hopefuls. hillary heads to the caucus state in a weaker position. derrick hits has the numbers in the mojo poling place. some political pundits continue to act as if hillary clinton is a lock as our next commander in chief should she decide to run, a look at the polls shows her image has significantly been damaged since leaving the state department. whether the change in numbers were different by comments that she and bill were dead broke after leaving the white house or that she s racked up millions in speaking fees or something in between. one thing is certain, every major national poll show america s views of hillary clinton heading in the wrong direction. the nbc wall street journal shows a net negative 24-point swing in voters positive to negative view of her. with quinnipiac showing a similar swing of 22 points in the wrong direction. cnn, orc, 17 points and gallop, 14: of the likely 2016 presidential campaigns, hillary clinton s remains the most promisi promising. if there s one thing these trends remind us, there s no such thing as a sure thing in politics. guys, back to you. thank you, derrick. she could afford to lose 24 points. she cannot afford to lose another 24, that s correct. are you surprised at how badly she s managed the past three months during the book tour? i am and i m not. i think the expectations were high that we d see a different hillary. we re seeing the same hillary in the same hillary operation. i think when she broke with the president in that interview, it s going to hurt her. i think it plays to what everyone dislikes about the clintons, that everything is political, everything is calculation. she won t get the benefit of breaking with the president. she s always going to look cold and calculating. she ll have to wrestle with that when she s in iowa because she s undoubtedly running. kasie hunt, thank you very much. jim stay with us. up next, can bob mcdonnell be saved? his sister maureen is making the case against his wife. family feud here. it s getting ugly. this is unbelievable what s going on in the courthouse. this family is tearing each other apart. all that and much more straight ahead on morning joe. wouldn t it be great if hiring plumbers, carpenters shopping online is as easy as it gets. and even piano tuners were just as simple? thanks to angie s list, now it is. we ve made hiring anyone from a handyman to a dog walker as simple as a few clicks. buy their services directly at angieslist.com no more calling around. no more hassles. start shopping from a list of top-rated providers today. angie s list is revolutionizing local service again. visit angieslist.com today. no question about that. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment s right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or any allergic reactions like rash, hives, swelling of the lips, tongue or throat, or difficulty breathing or swallowing, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis for daily use and a free 30-tablet trial. [ male announcer ] if you want to hear how their day went, serve manwich. and wait til they come up for air. [ laughs ] [ male announcer ] hold on. it s manwich. former governor bob mcdonnell is leaning on his family in an unusual did you see he s leaning on his family? yes. in a positive or negative way? it depends on what member of the family you re talking about. it s unbelievable, isn t it? jim vandehei, it s crazy. a fantastic story. you say fantastic. in a sick way. like the harlequin romance noveling. leaning on his family to avoid conviction in a federal corruption trial. the governor s sister who shares the same name as his wife testified the former first lady could be manipulative, deceptive and a bully. she said in court, there are two sides to mauer lean. you re not sure which one you re going to get. which one will show up. the governor s sister also tried to help the couple s case by reenforcing their narrative, trying to demonstrate that the marriage was in such tatters, the couple couldn t have conspire for gifts and loans. she gave example of how the govern governor out of the loop on a $50,000 check from donny williams. when she called her brother to discuss it, she said she could hear the first lady in the background angry that she called him about it. another witness testified the former first lady was so difficult, her staff once threatened to quit en masse, like all of them at once, leave. here with us from washington, columnist for the washington post, bob mccartney who has been following the case since the beginning. bob, this is some ugly stuff, if you re having to watch day in and day out. it certainly does paint a picture, the testimony, the stories we ve heard have to paint a picture of a husband with a wife that seemed to be completely out of control. what do you think is really going on here? i think maureen mcdonnell is a bit unstable, and i think a bit. a bit unstable, a bit manipulative, a bit deceptive. she initiated most of this, most of the bad stuff that they re in trouble for, but i think that bob mcdonnell went along with a lot of it based on the evidence that we know by the end, and that s why he s in trouble. the strategy clearly of the defense is to demonize maureen mcdonnell, the first lady, using, in part, the testimony of maureen mcdonnell, the governor s sister and basically put it all on her and portrayed bob mcdonnell as innocent, honest guy trying to do the right thing and the wife was doing all this stuff behind his back. a fair amount of it was done behind his back, but we know for sure that he was involved in some of the negotiations over the loans, and that certainly he knew about the vacations that he went on that johnny williams, the businessman, paid for. the parts he did know about, his wife being interested in leaving and having an affair with johnny williams. this is boys behaving badly. the governor of virginia behaving badly, johnny williams behaving badly. this is woman versus woman now. do you think johnny williams was adopting them because he wanted to? he was buying access. i don t see that the governor was an active participant? when he held up the row lex and smiled at the camera? this is from my husband that i got for my 40th birthday. when the governor held up his rolex i don t know. let s get back to the case at hand here. bob, let me ask you, though, as we talk about this, let s talk about the watch, the daughter s wedding. the governor had to know that there were funds coming in from johnny williams. they were using this guy like an atm machine and there was no real deal on the back end to pay it back. the governor definitely knew about the $15,000 to pay for the catering for his daughter s wedding. now, the defense argument is that that was a gift to the kid a gift to the young happy couple and not to the governor. but the governor was very much involved with it. the checks actually went at least one of the checks went to maureen, maureen the first lady, not maureen the sister. there s some confusion about whether he knew, bob mcdonnell knew that the money for the rolex came from johnny williams, senior. real quickly, a very important point to clear up. we said from the very beginning, it looks sleazy. it s legal in the state of virginia. as far as the federal charges go, does it have to be a quid pro quo that s proven? yes. you have to prove when bob mcdonnell took the money from johnny williams, that he had the intent to do something for him, to do something for johnny williams, and they did do stuff for johnny williams, senior. there s a question about whether they did more than they normally would have done for any businessman who was trying to promote his products in virginia. let me say, mika, that is a high, high bar ha the prosecutor has to meet. in there, i don t know how the prosecutor will meet that. but that intent for pay back, because if they had a payment schedule to pay back those loans works that set the dynamic up properly to prove that the governor had intent to pay him back and was not going give some favor for the cash? again, this just blows my mind that anybody would do this, but as far as virginia law goes, they don t have to pay back. they have to prove that quid pro quo. you helped my daughter so in return i m going to help you get your vitamins or whatever. and i just think it s getting murkier and murkier. it s going to be very hard for the prosecutor. at the end of the day, bob mcdonnell is broke because of it. we ll tell you about the time julia louis-dreyfus walked into a pawn shop to find the stars of breaking bad. and things are getting hollyweird. that s ahead on morning joe. t. and minus our expenses. perfect timing. we re offering our best-ever pricing on mobile plans for business. run the numbers on that. well, unlimited talk and text, and ten gigs of data for the five of you would be. one-seventy-five a month. good calculating kyle. good job kyle. you just made partner. our best-ever pricing on mobile share value plans for business. now with a $100 bill credit for every business line you add. hey pal? you ready? can you pick me up at 6:30? ah. (boy) i m here! i m here! (cop) too late. i was gone for five minutes! ugh! move it. you re killing me. you know what, dad? i m good. (dad) it may be quite a while before he s ready, but our subaru legacy will be waiting for him. (vo) the longest-lasting midsize sedan in its class. introducing the all-new subaru legacy. it s not just a sedan. it s a subaru. we re changing the way we do business, with startup ny. we ve created tax free zones throughout the state. and startup ny companies will be investing hundreds of millions of dollars in jobs and infrastructure. thanks to startup ny, businesses can operate tax free for 10 years. no property tax. no business tax. and no sales tax. which means more growth for your business, and more jobs. it s not just business as usual. see how new york can help your business grow, at startup.ny.gov you pay your auto insurance premium every month on the dot. you re like the poster child for paying on time. and then one day you tap the bumper of a station wagon. no big deal. until your insurance company jacks up your rates. you freak out. what good is having insurance if you get punished for using it? hey insurance companies, news flash. nobody s perfect. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won t raise your rates due to your first accident. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. this weekend, senator john mccain, we love him, he s been on the show a bunch of times, he attended a benefit concert in the hamptons. at one point he actually went on stage and did the robot. the robots were like oh, god, is that what we looked like? i think he was good. i m impressed. so, thomas, you think this next piece of video is pretty amazing is a scam. it s a little too convenient. what do you mean? this is a motorcycle crash that happened in russia, all captured on film. it s terrible. it s horrible. you re going to see this car on the right, switches over lanes aggressively to the left. at that very moment, motorcycle crash. flips up and lands on top like a cat, right on the rooftop. that, and lands right on top and the camera is there to capture it. it is in russiana, right? it is in russia. oh, my god, that s amazing. does a flip over and lands on top. people didn t think putin could do it. it s vladimir putin. are you saying that this didn t really happen, there s that green screen technology or are you saying this is an ak robot and they practiced thousands of times? was that a cross that flew on the screen on the left-hand side? what was that? watch on the left-hand side after the car comes over, watch on the left corner, a cross? what was it? i don t know, it s a mystery. another sighting. all right, coming up at the top of the hour, chris christie delivers a new jersey smackdown. oh, my god, did you see this? on one of his own constituents? angry man. he s not an angry man, he cares. he s passionate. he loves. maybe a little too much. plus eric holder heads to ferguson, missouri, as the federal government prepares to take on the crisis in that city. we go live to a very tense ferguson. all of that and much more when morning joe returns. my mother made the best toffee in the world. it s delicious. so now we ve turned her toffee into a business. my goal was to take an idea and make it happen. i m janet long and i formed my toffee company through legalzoom. i never really thought i would make money doing what i love. we created legalzoom to help people start their business and launch their dreams. go to legalzoom.com today and make your business dream a reality. at legalzoom.com we put the law on your side. so i can reach ally bank 24/7, but there are24/7branches? it s just i m a little reluctant to try new things. what s wrong with trying new things? feel that in your muscles? yeah. i do. try a new way to bank, where no branches equals great rates. [ male announcer ] when you see everyone in america almost every day, you notice a few things. like the fact that you re pretty attached to these. ok, really attached. and that s alright. because we ll text you when your package is on the way. we re even expanding sunday package delivery. yes, sunday. at the u.s. postal service, our priority is.was. and always will be.you. nervous whitening will damage your teeth? our priority is.was. introducing new listerine® healthy whitetm. it not only safely whitens teeth, but also restores enamel. lose the nerves, and get a healthier, whiter smile that you ll love. listerine® healthy whitetm. power to your mouthtm! nobody ever stomped their foot and asked for less. there s a reason it s called an all you can eat buffet. and not a have just a little buffet. because what we all really want is more. now get our best ever pricing with the more everything plan. 1 gb of bonus data per month per line. verizon smart rewards to rack up points for the things you really want. and 50% off all new smartphones, like the htc one m8 for windows & android. built to inspire envy. come get your more with verizon. you love this game. but does the game love you? who cares? look where you get to stay! booking.com booking.yeah! who s more excited about back to school savthe ladies?ples? these guys? or these guys? when you get guaranteed low prices on everything you buy the most, everybody gets excited! staples. make more happen for less. no justice, no peace. we want the world to see that st. louis knows how to take care of business. now community leaders are stepping in to try to persuade the most radicalized elements to leave the streets. this is our city. we take control of our community. what will bring peace to the streets of ferguson. justice. hands up. don t shoot. an army that has put the islamic state to flight. today a sign they can be defeated. awful tragic news from overseas, it s about an american journalist named james foley. executed. beheaded by isis. terrorists go on to threaten the life of another american if president obama doesn t end u.s. air strikes in iraq. perry, perry, perry. i reported to the county authorities a few minutes ago. texas governor rick perry was fingerprinted, photographed and booked on two felony charges of abusing power. he made it clear he sees the charges against him as a political vendetta. i m going to fight this injustice with every fiber of my being, and we will prevail. i thought i heard that bruce asked that none of his music was played at your events because he didn t believe in your politics. no, never did that. i know him and you re wrong. and i understand you re expressing your politics. don t put it in mr. springsteen s mouth, put it in yours. welcome back to morning joe. it s 8:00 a.m. on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. back on set we have donny deutsch, michael steele and in washington christina bellantoni. they did the mug shot of rick perry. speaking of governors. did he smile? he takes a good mug shot. he had a nice smile. look at him. he s a didngood-looking guy. all right. let me ask you about mr. springsteen and mr. christie. what did you think? i think the debate might have gone on a little long but i m used to people who go on long. it s no problem. maybe that s why i related to him so well. but she kept asking questions and as a reporter, she decided she was going to get into a debate. she had her springsteen information wrong. then she started moving on to other questions and he s right. if they want to hear the reporter, then the reporter should hold a town hall meeting and we ll see how many people go to that town hall meeting. they re there to hear chris christ christie. was that a reporter or constituent? i think it was a constituent. same with the constituent. if they want a debate, the constituent can hold her own town hall meeting. yeah. listen, i would much rather this happen than have them cowering in the corner. but there s something in between. he just comes across as an obnoxious pugilistic bully. you know what he looks like there s a way to push back and move on. we ve seen thousands of politicians say that s not acceptable, next question. i ve got to say no disrespect to these two people who i know personally and like personally, but in the age of hillary clinton and jeb bush, a lot of people want to see this. in an age where washington, d.c., is stuck in the mud and everybody has canned responses and nobody shows their real emotions and everything you say is market tested and poll driven, that breaks through. and that s why chris christie worked before and i think that s why if the investigations all go all right for him, i think that s i think that s why we liked him from the get-go is that he definitely broke away from the mold. kind of put a real and not all of it was pretty but he put himself out there in every way, in a very honest way, in a way that seemed authentic. willie is the authentic aspect is what resonates with people. but we want to get to the left wing, i d go out to the hamptons in my $100 million mansion kind of guy, maybe that s not appealing. i thought you wanted to come out? i am! it s your house, you ve got to pat. i can ride in your wake. he tortures me wake in and week out about the hamptons. then hey, man, i m going to be out there this weekend. you know why we re doing this because sweet little louis is getting married i m going to stay at gatsby s mansion. but is it mick that lives in the side house? i m like mick. i ll go there and watch you do all of this profane stuff and just sit there. and then i go back to my shack. you ll be in awe. you should see the green light. it s like a disco strobe. and joe will be dancing. techno music. going like this. it s not what gatsby looked like at the end of the buchanans. doc, you re a jersey boy. when they want to know what kids are thinking on the streets of new jersey, they ask willie geist. what do you think? first of all, i think it s an odd topic to have a public debate about. whether or not bruce springsteen likes you. to pick that fight is weird. i don t think it s as unanimously good as you think it is in new jersey. if you talk to people, they like the honesty and that kind of stuff, but when they look at some of the other things he does, they don t always love it. but that said, his numbers are pretty good for a guy who s been through a scandal, whether you think it s a big deal or not. i think what s important is whether or not that plays outside new jersey. i can t even we ve got a lot of news to cover. isis continues to just be a dark cloud that covers the middle east. i can t even show please don t. i can t even show the front of the new york post, but the daily news has a shot of just these they are absolute savages. i don t know what they think they re proving, but all they re doing is they re just they re just setting themselves up to be killed, all of them. i mean you know what, everybody that acts that way, it never ends well for them when you do that to the united states. it just doesn t. you can ask. where s osama bin laden right now? i hope he enjoyed his day in the sun. where s saddam hussein right now? i hope he enjoyed it. it never ends well. it s not going to end well for isis. and you know what, i will say this again, thank you, president obama, for going against your base. this is a scourge that needs to be wiped out of the middle east. i say that with great trepidation after supporting the first gulf war, like about 70% of americans. that was, we found out later, an optional war. this, this fight against isis, there s nothing option a.m. about it. there s no option. because they are a scourge that will continue to spread and they will find their way to america s doorstep. the reason i said we should get out of afghanistan four years ago is because the taliban didn t want to blow up buildings in the united states. these people, they want to kill us all. and if they stay in iraq and they get in control of oil field and they get money and they get weapons, they will come to us and kill as many of us as quickly as they can. this is something that the president can t ignore and i would like the republicans to salute him for stepping forward and doing what he s done over the past week or two. we can all go back and criticize what he s done and then democrats can criticize what we republicans have done and we get nowhere. and i think going against the base is something that some politicians have a lot of fear about, and so that s commendable for you to say. all right, the big story here in the united states, attorney general eric holder will be in ferguson, missouri, 11 days after the shooting of a black teenager. there were tense moments overnight after calm for most of the day. peaceful protesters could be heard screaming not tonight, as water and glass bottles were thrown at police. 47 people were arrested, but state highway patrol captain ron johnson is hopeful the violence may be declining. i think that turning point was made by the clergy, the activists, the volunteers and the men and women of law enforcement partner together to make a difference. but also those citizens who took heed to what we talked about last night, not allowing criminals to mass themselves in a peaceful protest. they protested early and went home early and allowed us a better visual look of those criminals and agitators that are roaming the streets for their own agenda. can you say the end of that clip again. he s got to work around the clock. you ve got one african-american, police captain, i see white faces back there. only three out of 53 officers. i know. i m just saying now, again, it shouldn t be about race but guess what, it s about race. this is about race. i may be i just i don t know. but that speaks to the problem that that community has. the problem in ferguson, exactly. all right. let s go to ferguson. nbc news correspondent craig melvin has been on the ground for several days now. craig, good morning. it s good to see you. we hear, i guess, a relatively good night last night but we ve heard that before so we re a little leery of celebrating that. what is the mood on the ground there and what do you think now that you ve been there a couple of days breaks this and gets people out of the streets and brings the peace? reporter: you know, that s a good question, willie. everyone seems to be in pretty much universal agreement that the one thing that would probably empty these streets fairly quickly is if there was some sort of indictment, some charges brought against that officer. of course as you know the grand jury convening at 9:00 this morning to start hearing some evidence. it was very interesting, as you just heard there. 47 arrests last night, no molotov cocktails, no shooting, no tear gas used. there was some pepper spray used. i think you could see that in one of the clips played there, but it was calmer. the crowd itself, i can tell you, was smaller last night than it had been. there was also there also seemed to be a shift in police strategy. captain johnson told me earlier in the day that we might see this and we did in fact see it last night. in previous nights you saw those officers in riot gear wearing helmets, shields out, shoulder to shoulder, short of a very offensive position. last night you did not see that, you saw smaller groups of officers and they were mingering with these smaller groups of protesters that were being forced to make that lap around the main drag here in ferguson. we also saw those military-style vehicles. in previous nights they had been right smack in the middle of the street in sort of an offensive position. they would say a defensive position, but nonetheless an intimidating position. last night those vehicles were not in the middle of the street, they were on the side as well. so there are a number of folks who have said to me last night that little things like that did in fact make a difference. of course as you know captain johnson urged the peaceful protesters not to come out last night, to do their protesting in the day. and by all accounts it looks like a lot of those protesters did just that. all right. speaking with msnbc s tamron hall, ferguson mayor james knowles looked to downplay suggestions of racial tension within the community. take a look. there is not a racial divide in the city of ferguson. according to who? is that your perspective or do you believe that is the perspective of african-americans in your community? that is the perspective of all residents in our city, absolutely. have you been watching the news? because there are people, sir, and please with all due respect, there are people on air on any network, even if you don t watch this one, who disagree who love there. so i m asking, and again with all due respect, are you listening to them? absolutely. there s 22,000 residents in our community. this has affected about a half mile strip of street in our community. the rest of our community, the rest of the african-americans in our community are going about their daily lives, going to our businesses, walking their dog, going to our neighborhood watch meetings. that s kind of saying like 9/11 taking cameras to the upper east side or the upper west side. look at new york, new york is fine. what s wrong with new york? my god, that s perfect. yes. what are you talking about? it s just a small group of buildings down at the tip of the island. the guy is clueless right there. for days he is absolutely clueless. for days people have been asking where is the political leadership because they hadn t seen the mayor and heard members of the city council. he comes out on air and says that? not only is he clueless, he s not credible. you understand more fundamentally why folks in that community are pissed off right now because he s totally out of touch with what s going on. he looks like he just came back from vacation and has no idea what s going on. there s three out of 53 members of the police force, his police force, right, that are black. not only that, mika, out of 53 in a city that s 70% african-american. how do you let that happen when you re hiring and you re trying to figure out a force that really represents the community? i know how you let that happen. you re racially insensitive and that creates a racial divide. and you don t think there s a problem. and then to make matters worse, you say there s not a problem. right. and you think because you say it that that means it s the rule of law because you are clueless. that s right. and you re not self aware. so i don t know if this guy knows, willie, but even the egyptian government is chastising him for what s going on in ferguson. if the generals in egypt are criticizing you, you have a problem. the ayatollah in iran are tweeting about ferguson, missouri. it s not a good position to be in. there are things that happened in the moments after this young man was killed that have traumatized that area of town, that whole town. he was left lying in the streets for hours. he was not covered up. and there were children there were people so stunned at what they were seeing, they were videotaping it because they didn t know what else to do and they were traumatized that they saw this young man get gunned down and then he laid there in the middle of the street, not surrounded, not covered. they didn t put cars they said they didn t want to tamper with the scene? well, my god, they certainly didn t tamper with the scene. they left the scene there for everyone to see to be traumatized for hours. it s the same thing in the trayvon case. the parents weren t even notified that he was in the morgue for a couple of days. again, the game around this set is what if a republican president did this? in these cases, you just have to ask, what if it was a white 18-year-old kid shot in the middle of a suburban neighborhood. they would cover it up, they would surround it. it s the same questions i asked every day during hurricane katrina. you know, if this had happened in an exclusive suburb of dallas, texas, would the president be looking down from 30,000 feet or walking around shaking hands? it s the same thing here. it s like if this had happened in a white neighborhood. and it continues to stress the black community in particular in these areas that are suddenly thrust into this reality again. for them it s every day. this is an everyday occurrence. for the mayor to sit there and act like there s no problem, it s amazing. still ahead on morning joe, the breaking bad boys reunite as we take a trip to hollyweird. plus pat o brien will join us. pat o brien is coming back. we will discuss the highs and lows of a remarkable career and how he overcame several stints in rehab. also, we ll have more with congressman paul ryan. up next, a scary scene in california when a car chase involving a buick sedan comes to a crashing halt. but first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. speaking of car wrecks, right? well, good morning, everyone. we watched epic rains in arizona yesterday and now we move on to this heat wave. it s moving from the west coast to the middle of the nation and soon to the southeast. along with it, we talk about humidity, because that s what s really going to be oppressive as we go throughout the week. when you add that to the temperature, the heat index will feel like 100 to 110 in many areas of the country. when you have dew points in the 60s, a little uncomfortable. when it s in the 70s, it s oppressive. that s what we have from dallas all the way through atlanta and florida. already in the 80s. soon it will be into the 90s with that heat index going over 100. heat warning in effect for the st. louis area the next couple of days, possibly into the weekend. heat advisories all the way down through memphis. in memphis this weekend it will be very hot, near 99 degrees. so it s hot across the country. the cooler spots, the great lakes are still beautiful in the northeast. going into next week the first item to watch in the tropics for a while, we re going to be watching a tropical disturbance heading over the caribbean the next couple of days and a week from now heading into the gulf of mexico. the million dollar question is will it develop? will we be dealing with a tropical storm or hurricane heading for the u.s.? it s all a possibility and we ll watch that closely in the days ahead. we leave you with a really nice shot of washington, d.c. some beams of sunlight coming down to the surface. you re watching morning joe. we ll be right back. hey! i found a happy space somewhere to call our own a happy little place and it all starts with you whoa-oh-oh-oh, all this goodness. after-school snacking should be fun and nutritious which is why we put whole grains first in every general mills big g cereal what matters most should always come first general mills. look for the g, it means goodness first. take a look at the morning papers. the arizona republic heavy rains triggered massive flooding in phoenix. over 5 inches of rain has fallen in areas north of the city, shutting down roads and highways, rising waters and crippling neighborhoods, washing through mobile homes, trapping rez dments cars. look at that. there s more rain on the way later this week. so far no life threatening injuries have been reported. this from the sacramento bee. there s a wildfire burning near yosemite in california. so far the fire has scorched nearly 3300 acres and destroyed eight structures. officials are saying the blaze is 35% contained and more than 1,000 people have been cleared to get back to their homes. the fire began on monday, the 16th, miles from a park distance. the guardian, a study says readers absorb less reading on ereaders such as a kindle or ipad. do you find that? i do. this is so interesting. according to research out of norway, those reading a paperback retained more aspects of the story when tested on plot points and character comprehension. scientists say, i believe this, holding an actual book means the reader is able to chart their progress as they physically turn pages while holding an e-reader can be less gratifying. i think we were just working with my daughter yesterday on study skills and she finds that writing notes down as opposed to typing, and i do as well. i think the same applies to reading. you ve got to hold the book. i ve got a pretty good memory but as far as studying goes with things i didn t want to absorb, i just had to sit there and write it. i d read it, i d write it, i d tear it apart. that makes sense. there s some less of a connection there. the san francisco chronicle, surveillance footage emerged showing the terrifying moments when a car crashed in sausalito, yesterday. the driver was being pursued following a domestic violence incident. while trying to elude police, he lost control of the car, hopped a car and crashed into a cafe where people were eating outside. the suspect attempted to flee on foot but was chased down and arrested. three people were treated for nonlife-threatening injuries. 50 years after lbj launched this nation s war on poverty and congre congressman paul ryan says poverty is winning now. more from our fascinating conversation with the wisconsin republican as he tries to set the way forward. that s his new book. plus the great pat o brien is here and we ll get his take on our important hollyweird report. yes, pat will chime in on that. he s got a great book we are going to talk about. [ woman ] the cadillac summer collection is here. [ male announcer ] during the cadillac summer s best event, lease this 2014 ats for around $299 a month. hurry in this exceptional offer ends soon. hurry in this exceptional offer ends soon. funtil to keep growing, theys hneeded a new factory,, but where? fortunately, they get financing from ge capital. we re part of ge, a company that s built hundreds of factories. so we can bring in experts to help them evaluate costs, incentives, and zoning to make a decision that would make their founder proud. if you just need a loan, just call a bank. at ge capital, we re builders. and what we know, can help you grow. so ally bank really has no hidden fethat s right. accounts? it s just that i m worried about you know hidden things. ok, why s that? no hidden fees, from the bank where no branches equals great rates. 30 past. congressman paul ryan is putting a face on his push to overhaul the nation s regulations and he says it s america s poor who can benefit the most from new policies. we spoke to the budget chairman just a short time ago on morning joe. we ve got a lot to talk about here and i want to get to as much as we can and certainly want to talk about the book. but first let s talk about ferguson, which actually feeds right into your book. we were having a conversation yesterday about the frustration of covering ferguson and everybody is just covering what happened the past week. we have got to look at what s happened the past 50 years. these people have been left behind. they have been abandoned. people have let s just try to pass this program, let s just try to pass that program and we re not guilty anymore of the lives that they live. they are like abandoned. that s right. isolated. they re on an island. i try not to inject my personal policy preferences onto a tragedy. so i think just out of respect for the brown family, for the community, it s important as policy makers not to say look at what s happening, therefore, do what i think should be done. i think it s important out of respect not to do that. having said all of that, i talk about in this book and i put out a plan a number of weeks ago, we have got to re-engage with the poor in america. we are in the 50th anniversary on the war on poverty and poverty is winning. and so let s think about how to measure success instead of on inputs, how many dollars are we spending, but how are we getting people out of poverty. how do we engage when americans hear the republicans say let s cut this program or let s cut that program. one of the reasons why i wrote this book, if you don t like the direction policy is heading right now, if you don t like the governing philosophy, what would we do differently? i think the country is on the wrong track. a lot of people agree with me. not everybody, but a lot do. so i wrote this to say here is the governing philosophy and the solutions for renewing the american idea which is basically the condition of your birth doesn t determine the outcome of your life. back to my question, does that require a slashing of spending for the type of programs that keep a lot of these people that we re seeing on tv alive? keep food on their kids table? the entire premise of that question presupposes that these programs are all just great and it s just a matter of doing more of the same or not. no, i don t presuppose that but i also know that we can t just tomorrow pass a budget that s going to cut aid off no, that s right. for the disadvantaged. but you voted for a bipartisan bill in 1996, welfare reform, that did more to reduce child poverty than any reform in the modern era. what i m saying is let s rethink it like that. let s take the other welfare programs that have not been reformed and customize them to a person s individual specific needs so that we can work on fighting poverty, eye to eye, and back up the community. one of the problems in the war on poverty is we ve had this federal government intervention that has told the common taxpayer this is government s responsibility, it s not yours, and we ve isolated the poor. we ve isolated people in our communities. i think we need to re-engage that. number one. number two, let s reform our welfare program so they re always pointed toward getting able-bodied people into the workforce. we talk about high tax rates in america. the highest arguably is the single mom making $20,000 to $40,000 who makes a decision to go to work and ends up losing more benefits than what she gets getting a paycheck and facing high marginal tax rates. so there s a lot of room for reform and clearly dialogue. congressman, you know the cartoon version of you that s put out by your critics, by democrats, by many progressives that all you want to do is cut, cut, cut, you want to throw old people out on the street, you want to throw poor people out on the street. how do you answer that? what would you do specifically to help disadvantaged people. first of all, i d say read my book. honestly i talk about a different type of governing philosophy and a different agenda to reconnect people with the american idea, especially those who have fallen away from it, who don t think it s there for them in their communities. what i proposed in a number of things are rethinking the way we fight poverty and reintegrating civil society, local communities and charities along with federal resources to get aid that s customized to focus on getting able-bodied people to work and having a safety net that s resilient for those who cannot help themselves. one of the problems we have in america is we are going bankrupt. we have a debt crisis that s on the horizon and that puts the safety net in jeopardy. other problem is we re not having the economic growth and economic opportunity. we don t have the healthy economy we need to get people back to work so a lot of reforms there. but with specific focus on poverty, there are people in america who are doing amazing things overcoming poverty, helping people do so. i talk about a lot of them in my book but i also talk about an agenda that backs that up so we can do more of those things. part of our conversation this morning with congressman paul ryan. see the full discussion on our website, mojoe.msnbc.com. his book was called the way forward. it s time for reques busine before the bell with brian sullivan. how are the markets looking, brian? they have been looking strong. a lot of viewers are not day traders but they might have a 401(k) or pension plan. things have been pretty doggone good. the s&p is less than half a percent off its all-time high. i tweeted this out yesterday, joe. apple s market cap is nearly $600 billion. that is the value of every nfl, nhl, cable team combined six times over. mika, you think you may be going back to an iphone? you ve tried to get away from it. do you think you may be going back? come back. i was one of the latest adapters and i m a happy guy. you re happy? you moved from it? from a blackberry to it. you took a while. i m a late adapter. when are you leaving the 8 track? i just want to make sure everything is okay. i let the other 200 million people graze first. i m old school. by the way, speaking of old school and music, this is completely unrelated and unplanned, but did you know vinyl album sales are up like 600% over the last five years? people are going back to vinyl. i use lps the ahome. the sound quality is much deeper. i know, joe, you re a musician. there s notes in there you forget you don t hear on mp3s. john heilemann, of course, is an audio file and listens to nothing but records. while walking down the street he listens to records. it s amazing. it s kind of crazy. i just picture him eating cheetos in his underwear just playing the lps. that s your problem. please don t thrust your problems on the rest of us, donny. so let s talk about really quickly snap chat. i snap chat with my daughter. please snap chat me, amelia. you say ads and news are coming? 30 million snap chat users, mostly teens, it disappears, but in november something called snap chat discovery will roll out which will put ads and news in your feed. listen, mika, i know you ve got teenagers, joe, you do too she s snap chatting with one right now. what about snap chat, who s in your child s dorm room? you ve got to give the warning about snap chat, though. what s the warning, donny? there s ways you think you re sending something in picture that disappears. you can take a picture. so just be careful. you should have figured that out. the pictures are already out there. my attorney says you haven t heard the whole story yet. cease and desist. still ahead oh, boy. oh, boy. this guy is great. he s back. he s spelling it right! good god, i ve never seen that happen. he once lived a lavish lifestyle high rolling with celebrities and politicians. we ll talk about what happened next, when pat o brien joins us with his new memoir. morning joe we ll be right back. you owned your car for four years. you named it brad. you loved brad. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends. three jobs. you re like nothing can replace brad! then liberty mutual calls. and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement, we ll pay for a car that s a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. hey, i heard you guys can help me with frog protection? sure, we help with fraud protection. if there are unauthorized purchases on your discover card, you re never held responsible. you are saying frog protection ? fraud. fro-g. frau-d. i think we re on the same page. at discover, we treat you like you d treat you. fraud protection. get it at discover.com fithen a little family fun.. with breakfast for 4 and wifi. join us for the family fun package. doubletree by hilton. where the little things mean everything. (vo) ours is a world of the red-eyes. (daughter) i m really tired. (vo) the transfers. well, that s kid number three. (vo) the co-pilots. all sitting. .trusting. .waiting. .for a safe arrival. introducing the all-new subaru legacy. designed to help the driver in you. .care for the passenger in them. the subaru legacy. it s not just a sedan. it s a subaru. the summer that summers from here on will be compared to. so get out there, and get the best price guaranteed. find it for less and we ll match it and give you $50 toward your next trip. expedia. find yours. joining us now, famed sports and entertainment broadcaster pat o brien. also a former student of my father s. and he was a good teacher. oh, was he? some say he was a little scary. how smart do you have to be? what did you get? from him? i learned how to balance my checkbook. that s good. he didn t give you an a, did he? no. it was more about theory with him. but when i went to school for advanced and national studies, your father was there, henry kissinger would come in and talk and we had this incredible group of professors. it s great. we used to smoke hash in the library and do our finals. wolf blitzer was my classmate. so let s talk about your incredible life. you go through the book, extraordinary, i mean extraordinary arc from the dakotas to the center of hollywood and fame and stardom. and yet the last picture you show after showing pictures with mccartney and ringo and mick jagger, you lying on a carpet. you say it s a perfect metaphor for your life. your, quote, emotional suicide. that s what it was. i had a very big life, i still do and plan on still having one. but a very blessed life, especially from that side of the tracks. abe lincoln poor in south dakota. and to get out of there and come up through the ranks. but part of my alcoholism was that my life was so big, i started believing every lie i was telling myself, that i could drink like a normal person. who s drank with me here. you have, you have. do you remember drinking with me? i m joking. please don t tell me. did something happen? no, nothing happened. i had a very big life. and the alcoholism kind of set in when i was 55. and a disaster. but i m fine now. i ve done a lot when i was writing this book how do i address this panel. do i just say joe or mika? you just talk to whoever you want to talk to. mika, when i was writing this book that s the smart move. i couldn t believe how much i had done. this book should be called i am freaking tired. we ll get to whatever you want to get to but the book has a lot of great sports stories. i worked a lot with harvey milk back in the day in the gay and lesbian movement, it was just called the homosexual movement back then, i think. and lots of stuff in there,ing through scandal and all kinds of things. alcoholism at 55, that sounds surprising because i think the theory is, oh, somebody has had a drinking problem, but at that stage of life to either acknowledge or become explain how at 55 versus 47. well, you re predetermined as an alcoholic, it s a disease, it s a brain disease and it s an allergy. i thought i was fine, but at 55, and it had to do with where i was working too. i hated the people i was working with. i loathed the executive producer who was just a nightmare who would make me go stand next to my friends by the way, that s why mika and i are so sober. we love working. when heath ledger died, he was a friend of mine, go stand next to his coffin. but it was my fault. i was drinking too much. i was never drunk on the air. not that i can remember. i was drinking back then too. so this side of the table has had drinks with pat o brien. some people can drink and some people can t and i m one who can t. and now i ve got there s an app for this. 50,954 without a drug or a drink. that s fantastic, right? the great thing about our time intersecting, the thing about the b the insider is pat and lara were in new york and i was in l.a. most of the time you get this big roaring pitch from pat, like t.r., what have you got? then it would cut to me in l.a. pat and lara were in new york to give a more new york centric feel but so many people thought the world of pat o brien, salt of the earth kind of guy. obviously there was tension behind the scenes with some of the higher-ups. it was a tough environment, certainly one for me coming from a news environment i wasn t prepared for. but mistakes happen. it s all about the recovery. in this book you talk about your recovery. why after the fourth rehab attempt were you able to get it right? what do you think about that, four rehabs. i used to make fun of people who were in two. the first one was at promises and it was after that whatever you call that scandal that i had which is so benign now. and creepy to talk about. but i will. the second one was at betty ford where i got a nice suntan. a beautiful room. then i had the record at betty ford for relapsing and going back in and then i got sober at hazelton. when i got to hazelton, mika, i was almost dead. my last day of drinking, i drank 12 bottles of wine, 13 or 14, was found flat down on my beach near nantucket and was nearly dead. when i got there, they said to me you better listen this time because you re going to die. i was 130 125 pounds, take 40 pounds off this body. i finally realized like dorothy in the wizard of oz, i could go home. robin williams was a friend that grabbed me and said welcome home, papa, you re in a safe place now. the safe place is in these rooms of recovery. you hear other stories and you get support from other people. i hope you stay safe. i m safe now, aren t i? you look great. stay that way. you look great. thank you for coming on. this book looks amazing. you get incredible stories about celebrities and that lifestyle, but i think a lot of people could be helped by this book as well. you need to come back more and just hang with us. the road to recovery is not perfect. it s also the number one health problem in the country. pat o brien, stay with us because things are about to get weird, okay? not that they haven t already. really? hollyweird from paul rudd s makeover to cindy crawford s crusade and a breaking bad reunion. we ll be right back. and asked for less. there s a reason it s called an all you can eat buffet. and not a have just a little buffet. because what we all really want is more. now get our best ever pricing with the more everything plan. 1 gb of bonus data per month per line. verizon smart rewards to rack up points for the things you really want. and 50% off all new smartphones, like the htc one m8 for windows & android. built to inspire envy. come get your more with verizon. no question about that. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment s right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or any allergic reactions like rash, hives, swelling of the lips, tongue or throat, or difficulty breathing or swallowing, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis for daily use and a free 30-tablet trial. we ll start looking for an suv. fire by firenze sir? start your search online with over 35,000 carmax quality certified used cars. carmax. start here. it s time for a trip to hollyweird. louis. wait. what happened to louis? wait a minute. this is such a successful segment that i got rid of louis. oh, really? i just figured that was the way it works around here. if you look at your constitution, you re now in charge of hollyweird. so what are you going to say? let s take a trip to hollyweird. they have done studies, you know. 60% of the time it works every time. he s known for the loveable and quirky comedy role. now paul rudd is said to become the latest hollywood star to get a tough guy superhero makeover. marvel released this picture of rudd as a super hero with the ability to shrink and increase his strength. he saves the world in july 2015. and celebrities have problems just like you and me, even celebrities who send them to posh malibu day school. here s a local parent voicing her concern. and the cock is still there. let s test it and it needs to be removed, let s remove the caulk. that doesn t seem like rocket science. cindy crawford is talking about the school s window caulking, which could contain dangerous chemicals. two of the biggest names in television death is so final as life, life is full of possibilities. now the two tv stars are on demand on stage joining forces for the 19th century comedy, a month in the country, a show that debuts in january. stalked, threatened and called taylor swift. speaking of the biggest names in tv, in this promo for next monday night s primetime emmy awards, ryan cranston is back in business. there it is. barely legal pawn. check out what happens when julia louis-dreyfus is a client. i m here because i m wondering if you might be interested in purchasing this. look at that. it s a best supporting actress in a comedy. supporting, it would be better if it was a leading, you know. hey hey, hey now, supporting is a huge honor. thank you. it is. cindy crawford what was that? watch out for that caulk. it was caulk. watch out for what? the window caulking. caulking? billy bush, eat your heart out. i m coming for you next. it s caulking. i m really glad you didn t caulking. wait a second, so they were protesting the caulking in the windows. yes. because? well, she thought it should be tested. toxic caulk. dangerous chemicals. it s a dangerous conversation. why do you say hollyweird? something worries me about you washington we re new york now. i understand. when hollywood people come in here, you wear a tie, you get dressed up, you fawn not you no, i don t actually. people fawn all over them. look, do we look like fawners? we do not fawn over anybody. you re not fawners. he s not a fawner. i m talking about chris matthews, my good friend. you can t name names. i love chris. he loves that. no, i love chris. you know what, it s offensive that you call me like a washington insider. i m all nantucket, baby, you know that. we are nantucket. that s our bumper sticker. we are nantucket. hey, this is an amazing book. we ll talk about it more and would love for you to do what you did at the beginning of this show where you would just come and stay with us for an hour. we ll be back. thank you so much, pat o brien, great to see you. love pat o brien. that does it for us here on morning joe. craig melvin picks up coverage live from ferguson, missouri, after a short break. have a great day. i m meteorologist bill karins. the heat and humidity is the story. we re watching temperatures soaring into the 90s. that s not the big deal. it s the humidity added to it. that gives you a heat index of 100 to 110 all the way from texas, oklahoma, kansas, all the way down through florida and through the carolinas. some spots will be 110 to 115 in florida this afternoon. have a great day. and with the quicksilver card from capital one, you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase. not just everything at the hardware store. not everything, until you hit your cash back limit. quicksilver can earn you unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you could possibly imagine. say it with me everything. one more time, everything! and with that in mind. what s in your wallet? [ male announcer ] when you see everyone in america almost every day, you notice a few things. like the fact that you re pretty attached to these. ok, really attached. and that s alright. because we ll text you when your package is on the way. we re even expanding sunday package delivery. yes, sunday. at the u.s. postal service, our priority is.was. and always will be.you. wouldn t it be great if hiring plumbers, shopping online is as our easy as it gets.s. carpenters and even piano tuners were just as simple? thanks to angie s list, now it is. start shopping online from a list of top-rated providers. visit angieslist.com today. i m spending too much timer our calhiringer. and not enough time in my kitchen. need to hire fast? go to ziprecruiter.com and post your job to over 30 of the web s leading job boards with a single click; then simply select the best candidates from one easy to review list. you put up one post and the next day you have all these candidates. makes my job a lot easier. over 100,000 businesses have already used zip recruiter and now you can use zip recruiter for free at a special site for tv viewers; go to ziprecruiter.com/offer99. you want to save money on car insurance? no problem. you want to save money on rv insurance? no problem. you want to save money on motorcycle insurance? no problem. you want to find a place to park all these things? fuggedaboud it. this is new york. hey little guy, wake up! aw, come off it mate! geico. saving people money on more than just car insurance. 44 hours ago i told you how organized and creasing levi lent incity ga instigators were inserting themselves and i asked that you come out and protest before the sun went down so they would not serve as shields for the law breakers in the night. tonight we saw a different dynamic. i believe there was a turning point made, and i think that turning point was made by the clergy, the activists, the volunteers and the men and women of law enforcement who partnered together to make a difference. we re making steps. they re not big giant steps, they re small steps. but those small steps will turn in
if you haven t visited us on the online show, come join us. there s the address on the bottom of the screen. and you can keep the computer on as greta goes on the record right now. new proof, isis has plannings to commit terrorism and the plans are global. fighters from at least 50 companies, the majority of them are for isis and the scariest part of them are right here in america. that means they have american passports, the state department released disturbing new numbers one day after an american was ski kill after fighting for isis in america. the number of how many americans are likely fighting for isis in syria and iraq. i don t know if it s a larger number, but do you have to say about that? if? war continues and isis continues to win and is seen as a conquering jihadist here row and the eyes of this disturbing fight around the world. president obama is derelict as commander in chief to get all of these american citize s who are going to jihad should be considered as terroists. i m going to. isis, i mean at the time they had taken falluja and falluja in 2004 was one of our biggest battles, but if he got it so wrong in january an the intel jems he was given was so wrong then, where s my confidence then that he was making the right decisions? isis didn t come got from a hurricane or a storm. his entire national security team said arm the syrian rebels that would align with us, he chose not to, isis came from iraq, when he drew a terrorist line from assad, and he allowed it to get worse. the commander in chief is derelict in his duty to protect the homeland and the goal should be to defeat these guys, not contain them. is there anything you can say to convince me that tonight that things that have very much changed, i hear what the pentagon said, but as a u.s. senator who s deepably involved in these international matters are you hearing that the pentagon is stepping up and looking at this very differently? this is one senator that was burned by senator obama. i went to the white house to speak to president obama and his assured us he was going to degrades assad and upgrade the syrian army, he took a walk from his chief of staff a few days later and i don t have any confidence at all that he understands the country and his indecision upon indecision is putting our homeland at risk. there s going to be 1400 if we don t start beating these guys. senator, thanks for joining us. and it s not just americans fighting for isis, fox news jennif jennifer griffin is life at the who is. reporter: u.s. intelligence officials have been watching the al qaeda link news front, this montage shows canadian, australian and british foreign fighters bragging about their role as jihad us tourists. 140 americans have gone to syria and iraq to fight. but one official tells me the official could be much higher they just don t know. u.s. intelligence telling me that an estimated 5,000 foreign fighters from across the middle east have joined isis. the state department said last week about 12,000 foreign fighters from at least 50 countries are fighting in skiera alone. these photoings were provided me who lift clues as to his intentions. his family expressed shock that he had gone to syria and in his last tweet he had announced that he had gone to seyria and was with his brothers now. before driving a truck laden with 16 tons of explosives used by seron forces. you can see why this phenom unanimous and european pass mort holders has u.s. intelligence officialings so very concerned. and the beheading of american james foley apparently by a british jihad it now putting pressure on britain. former british prime minister margaret thatcher. you re essentially saying this is it s a breeding ground for britain s jihadist. the british government says that at least 300 jihadists have fighting for isis. so this is a massive problem for the british government. it is also a major security issue for britain and the united states. these jihadists could return to the middle east and they could then return to the middle east. they really have to be dealt with in syria and on the groundin iraq. britain of course has been a very tolerant society that has been used by islamists, the islamists have used moskss for recruiting grounds for islamist terrorists. they have indoctrinated jihadists. britain has become a breeding ground for islamist terrorists. that now is changing and there are calling from many british politicians for far tougher measures to be taken, to be arrested eed detained. he s also mayor boris johnson is quoted as saying anyone who s traveling to syria or iraq should be proven guilty until before being presumed innocent. most people would agree with that assessment 689you re highl like to be when you return to syria, according to boris johnson, you should lose your citizenship. because after all, islamist terrorism is a direct threat to the united states as will. how do these brits or the british government, how do they look at president obama and his handling of the issues. a lot of builts they need britain loongeside, he needs to outline a clear coherent strategy with regard to defeating idefeat ing isis rather than defeating them. and the news about isis keeps getting grimmer. getting advanced news report on issis. what we know from this assessment is that it shows that there was definitely planning and prepositioning by isis. this was not a group that built this crisis on the sly. this is something that was laid down four years ago. he reformed the group if you will and decided to take specific aim at the iraqi security forces. he decided to intimidate them and to flush them out and once he created that vacuum, he was able to build on those gains. what makings it more disturbing, and i don t mean to keep pounding the president, but in january, he announced in the no,,er that this was a jp group. this rebooting for four years, where in the world is this intelligence community na we seem to have dropped the ball very painfully. what i have heard from intelligence officials that there was consistent and ample warning. they took specific aim at the security forces and then once they had pushed them aside, they retook the armament. these warnings were given to the administration. but what seems clear from my reporting that there was a failure to understanding the skb intelligence or a fail krur to act on it in a certain way. i don t understand how you can understand that as a grave concern. i think one element that was pointed out to me in my reporting today is that when we fail to get a status report agreement, we not only had to pull out or military when you re getting your own information from your own people and your own pool of informents that informs gets the more le leadersh leadership. i see it s a confluence of events, it not a single element that causes the c the crisis we seeing today. today he publicly thanked everyone mo worked to bring him home. i had no yvd when i was in prison that so much effort was being expended on my behalf. and know having found out, i m just overwhelmed by emotion. i m also overwhelmed by total strangers that are coming up to me and saying, we re just glad you re home, glad you re back, glad you re safe, great to see you. i suddenly remember how greet the american people are and the kindness they have in their heart and i say a huge thank you from the bottom of miss heart. curtis did not say anything about mihis captivity. begging the isis lead tore please release his son. since steven s capture, i have learned that islam believes that no individual should be hi held responsible for the sins of others. i have always learned that you can grant amnesty, i ask you to please release my child. there s growing controversy or whether the united states should pay ransom for hostages. listening to this mother, i mean having to beg for her son s life, it s just terrible, isn t it? it s horrifying and she s probably going through the worst time in her life. family members of hostages suffer in stress the same as hostages do. that unknowing part is just overwhe overwhelming. we saw that video, but that was just a week ago. now we to the question of ransom. does the united states pay ransom? the united states government zuchbt pay rang ransom. the government doesn t pay, now there have been times in the past when the government has allowed private entities to pay, those are under very straight circumstances and there are reasons for that but the u.s. government doesn t pay ransom. i think they wanted 132 million, which is way out of line, can the government stop you from paying a ransom to get your relative home? they really can t. and that s one of the problems whenever a country tries to district all ransom payments they have just made them do it through a backdoor or a back alley that doesn t bernefit anything. his mother did a wonderful job today, her job to make him see her as a human being. that s what i think would have an impact on you, have an impact on me, by people would behead, these are the most callo callous, evil barbaric people. i can t imagine that they would even care. you would have to understand the what their rules are. he talked about the fact that the profit mohammez. say that a cap chushed islamist would commit to convert. ask that a get out of jail card? a simple things such as recognizin recognizing - never pay by they their faith. it s everybody s test. and our next guest who is african-american says there s no such thing as black america. how does he say that. former assistance to george w. bush goes on the record next. also protesters outside. no matter where you want to be or what you want to do, chances are we re already there. 12 brands. more hotels than anyone else in the world. like super 8, where every destination is super. for a chance to win one million dollars, visit wyndhamrewards.com that s why i always choose the fastest intern.r slow. the fastest printer. the fastest lunch. turkey club. the fastest pencil sharpener. the fastest elevator. the fastest speed dial. the fastest office plant. so why wouldn t i choose the fastest wifi? i would. switch to comcast business internet and get the fastest wifi included. comcast business. built for business. president obama picking reverend al sharpton as his l liaison in ferguson. but is this the right choice to deal with issues already diedings our country. he says there s no such thing as dividing america. nig nice to see you sir. there s no such thing as black american. i would say i m a californian first, i m an american first. the greatest thing about this country is the diversity. when you have people like al sharpton, jesse jackson and the usual as i call race hustlers to seek the divide this country along ethnicity and race, it s does harm. how do we get beyond that, how do we stop that, and be decent to each other and not have any racism in this country or not throw it in someone s face. i think we need to based on the color of their skin. this is one instance i think the president missed a good opportunity to bring the country together. rather than hitting the links and rather than issuing statements from martha s vineyard, he should have been out there saying let s calm down, let s not rush to judgment. let s look at the facts of the indicates and not say was a racist black cop who shot a teenag teenager. the attorney germany what s supposed to be raced and color blind. we need to make sure that question have a vigorous prosecution, i think these folks are making a big mistake and making mouse polarized than ever. there was an article in the new york times that said that sharpton is the go to leader for the president of this administration and they re looking at him as one that for whatever reason has a lot of credibility with the black community. we re americans, we re citizens, not just to be judged on the color of our skin. if you look at this young man, michael bun s funeral. you saw sharpton, jackson, spike lee, people hoo are more interested in rabble roundsing for the cameras as opposed seeking calm and harmony. it s a disgrace. and i having? to say about president obama and reverend al sharpton. and get ready for another power grab, senator rand paul goes on the record next. so we gave her purina cat chow complete. it s great because it has the four cornerstones of nutrition. everything a cat needs for the first step to a healthy, happy life. purina cat chow complete. share your rescue story and join us in building better lives. one rescue at a time. . . is obama getting ready to bypass congress again? this time it s climate change. the obama administration working on brokering a climate change agreement with other nations, but without radification from congress. and that s not the only problem. the president s plan is based on the honor system. and senator rand paul joins us. nice to see you, sir. is this an abuse of power by the president? not only is it an abuse of power, i think it almost leads us to a constitutional crisis of sorts. it s one thing after another. you know, he says he has no choice but to act. he says he has a pen and a phone and he is going to act. that doesn t sound like our republic. we have checks and balances. he has done this with global warming. he has also done this with immigration. he has also done this with the war in libya. he doesn t seem to grasp the checks and balances. if we don t have checks and balances in this country, you know, that can lead to a real problem. i thought it was two things that were curious to me. one is for the first two years of his term of presidency, he had the house and senate. why didn t he do that? he could have gone through the constitutional process. i don t know if he could have gotten it ratified in the senate. the second thing is like the honor system that even if he does sign this, i don t get where with the teeth. the honor system when i was in fifth grade just meant everybody got as. cap and trade. the house rejected cap and trade. so now he is going around democracy. he is doing an end around congress. and you can t imagine that the american public would let him do this, or we would let him do it, frankly. i hope that we will see regulations and actual legal action. i support speaker boehner s legal fight to say the president can t just do what he wants. he is not a king. he has to really get approval from congress. but he doesn t even call congress. he is making this decision. but has he gone to the senate? we heard that he has gone to the leadership to say let s sit down and talk about this? no. i ve tried to communicate with him and i called him a couple of weeks ago to talk about repatriation, letting companies bring home their profit at a reduced rate so we can get money to come home there is $2 trillion sitting overseas that i say could come home and create jobs. and i called him and asked him for his help. but i really didn t get anywhere. i m going to get your trip in one second to guatemala where you were not senator, but dr. rand paul. on your trip, at least one time you re quoted as saying the former secretary of state hillary clinton, i think you referred to her as a warhawk. well, you know, they called the war in libya s hillary s war. and it s led to chaos. so i think we ought to think a little bit before we get involved in war. we now have an ambassador that has been assassinated. we have an embassy that had to flee overland. couldn t even leave by the airport. we had jihadist groups everywhere. and i think we re less safe as a country now with the chaos in libya than when were when gadhafi ruled the place. and that doesn t mean gadhafi was a great guy. he was an autocrat, a dictator, but we had some stability. we have less stability. i think the country has to ask themselves if hillary clinton is going to run for president, is that the kind of decision making that we can expect? is she going to create more chaos by getting involved in more wars in the middle east? and i don t think she fully grasps really the repercussions of what she created in libya. talk to dr. rand paul. now you were in guatemala. why did you go guatemala? for years i ve been seeing kids from guatemala there is a guatemalan neurosurgeon in my hometown of bowling green, kentucky. he has been bringing the kids up and we ve been operating on them for about 15 years. we went down with a team from the university of utah, and we did about 200 cataract surgeries, and i was able to visit with some of the kids that i had done surgery on 15 years ago. one of course was yulia estrada? she was exciting to seattle. she was a beautiful little girl. she is now a pretty young woman. i was able to straighten her eyes. when i went down we were able to get her glasses and she was able to see 20/20 with glasses. i was surprised when hernando lopez s wife left him and he went blind. his wife left him because of that? his was the most dramatic case. this man was ecstatic and overcome by emotion. he had gradually gone blind for three years. lost his job as a truck driver, lost his wife, lost his kids. lost 40 pounds. he was emaciated, and he was being taken care of by a young man from the church. and he got his vision back. and he was so excited and thought maybe i can get my job again. maybe i can get my wife back again. but it was really we were all overcome with emotion seeing his response. so cataracts to the point they were blind? yeah. some could see light perception only. they could tell light on or off, but not enough to walk around the village, not to do any work. definitely not enough to drive that was the majority of the cataracts. dense, white, mature cataracts. that s why the vision is so when you take off the patch the next day, the response is so dramatic. that must be really fun. don t you sort of miss that full-time? i do. it must be fun to give someone his vision back. there is no reward in a more dramatic than seeing someone sit up and say i can see that. is amazing. senator, nice to see you. welcome back to washington and obviously a very successful trip down in guatemala. thank you. and for more on president obama s next potential abuse of power, our political panel joins us. u.s. news and world report and steven, start with you. is this overreach to go beyond congress for this climate? politically it may be. legally, i think this is different than some of the other executive actions he has taken. this does not have the force of law. he has been explicit about that early, the white house in what they have told us so far and what they have told the new york times so far. it s basically, as they put it, a name and shame. it would create pressure for the u.s. to live up to obligations that it made previously and obligations in other words, its honor. and we have people like president bashir of sudan who kills people by droves. we think we re going to shame him into doing something? that s why it s probably not necessarily going to be successful. and it s not legally binding. it s an effort for him to basically get the u.s. to do what he wants the u.s. to do. but whether we do that or not is up to him and his administration. and eventually, up to law. betsy, i imagine the environmentalists aren t going to like this at all. he has given them an honor system. and they want something much more definitive. and on top of that, they re already irked that he has done so little. look, he had a chance in 2009 when the house passed cap and trade legislation. the senate didn t even take it up. the president has staked so much of his legacy on climate change. when he was running in 2008, he said it was a moral challenge and a national security risk. but he said is that on the va when he ran in 0. he was going to clean up the v.a. you don t think that distresses him? there have been so many reports that he wanted to make it the centerpiece of the second term. the fact that nothing has materialized, number one, that reflects poorly on him by the own standards he set. but number two, the democratic base can t be excited. david, is this a power grab or abuse of power or completely within his authority? i think it s power politics and something he cares about for his legacy. he talked about at the beginning of the year, he doesn t have a congress that he believes will work with him. but he tried. i understand his legacy. i understand what he is doing. but i have not seen any effort to go to capitol hill to get senator harry reid. he knows what is going to happen. you re in the middle of an election. he should at least look like he is trying, don t you think? trying to do it within the system? i think he tried to do it within the system during his first term, and he felt he got burned and burned from both sides and from the right. politics is hard. as stephen said, this is not a legally binding agreement. this is a politically binding agreement to try to but the environmentalists, they re going to be horrified, aren t they? i would separate this one out from the other executive actions he has taken. this is one where he does have the power to do what he is doing here. the other ones are major questions of law where he is actually trying to alter or change or i guess deal with enforcement of law. that s an entirely different situation. but david, go back to the environmentalists. he promised them something. then he is giving them a name and shame. this is more than nothing. the united states it s not binding, but when the united states acts, people pay attention to it. look, you need 67 senators to get this through the senate. what can you get 67 on anything? obama is saying i m going do what i can by myself. i m going to take the last word. i think he ought at least be appearing to try. but that s just me. panel, thank you. and man in the building business who says regulations are tearing him down. his story is next. milo s kitchen chicken grillers recipe dog treats. that s called inward facing dog. he could do it all day. milo s kitchen. made in the usa with chicken or beef as the number one ingredient. the best treats come from the kitchen. what does it mean to have an unlimited mileage warranty on a certified pre-owned mercedes-benz? what does it mean to drive as far as you want. for up to three years. and be covered? it means your odometer. is there to record. th. during the mercedes-benz certified pre-owned sales event now through september 2nd, you ll get complimentary pre-paid maintenance and may qualify for a two-month payment credit. only at your authorized mercedes-benz dealer. everybody s excited about the back at staples.avings from the customers, to the staples associates. with guaranteed low prices on comp books. you ll flip out! now go tell your friends. staples, make more happen for less. when folks think about wthey think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that s not a coincidence. it s one more part of our commitment to america. doctors have been prescribingdecade, nexium to patients just like you. for many, prescription nexium helps heal acid-related erosions in the lining of the esophagus. there is risk of bone fracture and low magnesium levels. side effects may include headache, abdominal pain, and diarrhea. if you have persistent diarrhea, contact your doctor right away. other serious stomach conditions may exist. avoid if you take clopidogrel. nexium 40 mg is only available by prescription. talk to your doctor. for free home delivery, enroll in nexium direct today. small business owners say regulations are strangling them, putting them out of business. on the record investigating how too much red tape is choking capitalism. griff jenkins spoke with a kansas construction owner. we get up every day looking for projects that we can do to keep our men employed so that we can make money so that i can make a living. it seems like the federal government wakes up every day and says hmm, how can we slow that process down. reporter: slowing the process down, another small business owner accusing the government of making it too different to do business. meet carl harris, owner of carl harris construction. we re a small business. we ve been in business about 30 years. and hitting it hard every day, trying to keep track of stuff. this is a fema shelter. this is a tornado-safe room built for this school. we put the structural steel framing in that to be able to withstand tornadoes and a safe place for these kids to work. reporter: harris says the government is making it difficult to do that. my business is putting buildings together like, that not keeping track of regulations, griff. and every day we wake up, we read in the papers the federal government s trying to shove something else down us, additional recordkeeping, additional safety requirements, just a number of things. and it s really hard to keep track of that. a small business like myself and my family, because it s a family-owned business, it s all we can do to try to keep track of this. we are trying to bring somebody in, keep them schooled up on what that is all the time removes me from being competitive in the marketplace. reporter: for harris and his company, the regulations don t just slow things down, they actually prevent his business from expanding. we don t do new development because new development is hammered really hard by the regulatory agency. permits for epa, permits for this or that, those kinds of things. so we re not in the new development states. we ll wait until somebody gets that all taken there is way too much risk. reporter: harris doesn t oppose all regulations. he just wants the government to make sure they re actually benefitting people, something he says they re not doing. regulations that are good are okay. but they ve got to be quantifiably beneficial. and that s all we re asking for. reporter: and for businesses like carl harris construction, the many bad regulations are bad news for business. small businesses are the lifeblood of our time. and the more they stifle small business, the more they stifle the economy, the more they put guys like me out of business. and we want to take another look at our on the record investigation choking capitalism. all of our reports are posted. and if you have a business struggling because of these types of regulations, tweet on the record griff jenkins at griff jenkins. and it s not regulations putting a florida business owner out of business, it s his own neighbor. the young businessman is 12 years old. he runs a popular lemonade stand. but his neighbor is telling city hall to shut the stand down. tonight throwing that neighbor in the slammer. lemonade is $1. and i have pink lemonade, strawberry lemonade and regular lemonade. reporter: t.j. is making money. i buy my mom and i dinners. i pay for her cell phone bill, all different things. reporter: the 12-year-old running a lemonade stand in the tampa bay area, florida summers can be hot, and neighbors crave ice-cold lemonade, except one neighbor, 61-year-old doug wilkie, accusing the 12-year-old of running an illegal business, saying it s bringing down the value of his house, and even asking police and city hall to shut it down. the city responded and said it s not in the business of putting lemonade stands out of business. [ applause ] reporter: on the record tried calling wilkie, but his own disconnected. we re sorry. reporter: but t.j. gets loads of support from lemonade loving customers and neighbors, even a local radio station. they sent one of their co-host out to sell lemonade for t.j. until he got home from school. i got this for you. was this a nice surprise when you came home from school today? yes, it s a very nice surprise. reporter: the radio publicity brings hundreds of new customers to the stand, and t.j. making nearly a thousand dollars. i think it s cool that there are people that are backing him. anything i can do to help a 12-year-old that is as enterprising as him out, all the better. reporter: and this 12-year-old looking forward to his 14th birthday when he can legally apply to be a grocery bagger at a publix grocery store. i m showing that i work hard for my money, and that i m not just taking it from my parents. and doug wilkie is the only neighbor complaining about the lemonade stand. that s why we think he should go in the slammer. and inside and outside the california governor s mansion, many americans demanding mexico s president release sergeant andrew tamoressee. nobody ever stomped their foot and asked for less. there s a reason it s called an all you can eat buffet. and not a have just a little buffet. because what we all really want is more. that s why verizon is giving you even more. now, for a limited time, get more data! 1 gb of bonus data every month with every new smartphone or upgrade. our best ever pricing with the more everything plan and 50% off all new smartphones. like the htc one m8 for windows or android. built to inspire envy. come get your more with verizon. femaget three years interest-free financing and save up to $400 on beautyrest and posturepedic. even get three years interest-free financing on serta icomfort and tempur-pedic. but this special financing offer ends labor day at sleep train. that s why i always choose the fastest intern.r slow. the fastest printer. the fastest lunch. turkey club. the fastest pencil sharpener. the fastest elevator. the fastest speed dial. the fastest office plant. so why wouldn t i choose the fastest wifi? i would. switch to comcast business internet and get the fastest wifi included. comcast business. built for business. those are protesters at the california governor s mansion. they were taking their message to mexico s president, who was dining inside the mansion. the protesters demanding mexico release our imprisoned marine sergeant andrew tahmooressi. but some california lawmakers decide instead to actually attend the luncheon for the mexican president, thinking that would make a greater impact. assemblywoman melissa melendez was one of them. she joins us. good evening. good evening, greta. thank you so much for having me. all right. great to have you. now i know you have sent a letter to president obama. you sent a letter as well to the president of mexico about sergeant andrew tahmooressi. but take me inside what happened today at the lunch. be my eyes and ears. what happened? so there were several probably i think 300 people or possibly more at this luncheon from various different industries and walks of life. very crowded. there was a lot of security. but i chose to attend the luncheon rather than go to the protest because i felt that i stood a better chance of getting my message to the president of mexico by being there than him hearing my message if i were on the corner protesting. so we decided to take the message directly to him. they were very gracious about it. of course, they didn t give me an answer right there as to whether they would give us what we were asking for. but they were gracious about it. did you actually get up to the president of mexico or did you get intercepted by one of his aides? i spoke with his legislative aide i believe it was. they did offer i go up and give to it the president myself. it was in the middle of lunch. i thought that was a little inappropriate. and frankly, i was a little worried that the letter would get lost in the shuffle. i did give it to his aide and he assured me he would get it. did the aide indicator show he knew any sign about sergeant andrew tahmooressi or did you catch him off guard? he didn t. he didn t really indicate. he was very respectful and assured me the president would get my letter, asked where i was sitting in the chambers so perhaps if they had an opportunity to come back and speak with me, they would. but again, this was all about getting the message out about sergeant tahmooressi, because as my husband indicated to me when we were talking, he said, you know, maybe no one has asked him to intervene. maybe no one has asked him directly from the united states to get involved. and i thought okay. maybe you re right. and so i ll be happy to be the one to do that. and just before i go on, greta, i do want to say for your viewers and to you on behalf of all of the veterans and sergeant tahmooressi and his mother who i have spoken with, you have been really wonderful if getting the information out. i know you travelled to the border. just on behalf of all of us, we want to thank you for your efforts too. well, i really appreciate it. and the best thing that could happen is if that marine could come home and get treatment here in the united states. i know you are fighting for him and a lot of people are. before i let you go, you wrote a letter to president obama about this very issue on july 31st. have you gotten any reply from the white house that they have even do they acknowledge receiving your letter or have you just been ignored? strangely, no, no response. the president has taken the time to discuss what is going on with justin bieber and a host of other things that are pretty insignificant when you re talking about a marine jailed in mexico. no, no response, sadly. thank you very much for joining us. and good luck with your fight there in california. i know you have been introduced a resolution as well to fight for andrew tahmooressi. thank you very much for joining us. thank you, greta. and coming up, i m going talk to you off the record. i m going tell you what i think about president obama picking reverend al sharpton as his liaison in ferguson. that s next. many of my patients still clean their dentures with toothpaste. but they have to use special care in keeping the denture clean. dentures are very different to real teeth. they re about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can multiply. polident is designed to clean dentures daily. its unique micro-clean formula kills 99.99% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains, cleaning in a better way than brushing with toothpaste. that s why i recommend using polident. [ male announcer ] polident. cleaner, fresher, brighter every day. let s go off the record. let s talk about president obama picking reverend al sharpton as his liaison in ferguson. now that s a political cause that says liaison. maureen of the new york times says president obama depth deputized sharpt on the, and from the tone of her column, she is skanl scandalized. sharpton has no interest in healing. he divides people. he just picks sides. let s not forget, he has done some really cockamamy things. hawk false rape accusation. that s hardly all. according to maureen dowd, sharpton whipped up anti-semitic feelings in new york in 1991 by denouncing jews, whipping up anti-semitic feelings is awful. it s stirring up hate. and did you know sharpton is a tax scofflaw? according to the new york post, sharpton and his organization owe $4.7 million in unpaid taxes, all this and more makes it perplexing that president obama uses sharpton as his go-to outreach guy. it s a rotten message to send to the nation. i don t get it. president obama has lots of choice. why didn t he pick someone well respected with a record of helping, not deciding? he could have picked cory booker. now a democratic senator who has a history of reaching across the political aisle. why not pick him to help? maybe president obama is afraid senator booker will show him up by having success. and that s my off the record comment tonight. thanks for being with us. we ll see you again tomorrow night right here at 7:00 p.m. eastern. just a reminder, if you re just getting home and tuning in