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The real question is going to be over time how romney's numbers look. it is not surprising that you know, a few weeks after some of the most bruising battles and biggest insults and lot of things on the airwaves especially in new hampshire which actually had a primary fight, that people are remembering the most negative things about romney. we will have to see when we get to the end of the race and if newt gingrich stays in and continues doing it, if it gets worse or if he -- false by the wayside. >> what about the insiders in the white house? how are they reading the new hampshire poll? >> ca...

You say politicians don't mention the word poor or poverty. is it because there's nothing in it for them electorally? is it because it's better for them to go to fundraisers to talk to wall street ceos? people who can fund their campaigns? why is it precisely they're not talking about the people who need them most? >> i would say amen to everything you've just said. you've answered your own question. there's nothing in it for them and so that poor people end up being as best a political calculation, at worst a political afterthought. they don't matter. here's the problem, though, in the past a...

>> mike huckabee, daniels, barber, a lot of them thinking woulda coulda shoulda. >> let's look at the poll data coming in. we are learning a lot about what happened, erin, inside iowa. >> that's right. we have been showing you our wall here, we have been turning this the flicking wall. now obviously that we know who the top players are of this virtual dead heat we can talk to you a little bit about what this means for the next step. so born again evangelical christians, as can you see, rick santorum winning that vote. those who didn't identified themselves going to mitt romney. in terms of the...

now. rick santorum is joining us at this hour. you may be the winner. you're, by all accounts, the winner. it is a virtual tie. let me congratulations you, senator santorum. have you done an amazing job, as you well know. it was not that long ago, you were nowhere in iowa. but now it is a virtual tie. you may win or lose by one or two votes. but for all practical purposes, you're a winner. give us thought on how it feels. >> well, you know, this is the first step in the process and well be on to new hampshire. we will work hard and compete there. a little bit behind the curve in the ...

It, thad be bad for the kids, though. >> great christmas present, right? my daughter would love to have one. >> maybe we'll get your daughter a fire-breathing dragon. she's good with butane, right? >> she's great with butane. 3 years old, she's great with it. but i do want to make one serious point which is it's easy in an enterprise as large as our government is to pull out the equivalent of the $16 muffin. but the question is, we all know there is government waste. i don't think like to use these anecdotal things as a reason to undermine government. and the other thing is, we have to look at...