Will be pared down from $2 trillion from its initial cost of about $3.5 trillion. stephen dennis found the bigger picture. he says, quote, there's sort of a big fight in washington you may have heard about. it's about whether we send $62 trillion over a decade or $60 trillion. joining us now is stephanie kelton, a professor of economics and public policy at stony brook university. she's the author of "the deficit myth." professor kelton, good to see you again. thank you for being with us. i've never generally speaking met numbers i don't like talking about on tv except this is the one problem ...