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Just to give a bit of context this meeting was supposed to be shorter than this about 2 hours ago we are expecting to hear from the Vice President apparently thats not going to happen at least not at the palace where they were meeting with perhaps theyll talk to the press when they stop we really dont know but they will talk for about 4 and a half hours they had a one on one meeting they came out they took they let people have pictures none of them look very happy everyone had a bit of a grimace notably there was no American Flag there which would have been seen as a courtesy to the Vice President turkey letting it be known that they dont see him as a head of state which would have been the protocol to have an American Flag there then they go into this extended bilate ....