We'll bring you more information the moment we have it. for a moment, a conversation in another big story we're following with robert lenzner of "forbes" magazine and christine romans. peter, i'm going to start with you. there is a legitimate, i think, argument against reform that says can the reformers understand this speed at which wall street innovates and it will reform -- will regulation somehow stifle or hobble innovation? >> well, if in the derivatives market we try to shoe horn everybody into standardized contracts, it surely will not only harm innovation but it will also harm the fi...