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you with us tonight, thank you. >> thank you very much. >> all right joining us now is connecticut senator chris murphy who just attended president zelenskyy's address to the meeting of congress, i should tell you senator murphy 's all -- and the senate ukraine caucus. senator murphy, real pleasure to have you with us tonight, thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> what was it like in the room? >> i mean, absolutely electric. to watch vladimir zelenskyy up on that stage when the world community believed that ukraine would survive a matter of days upon the russian invasion to think about the pressure on him to flee to save his own life in the early days of the invasion it is just amazing to see what one person can do. leadership still matters in this world, and his example from the very beginning of this conflict is a big part of the reason why ukraine still stands today. i agree with admiral kirby, it was great to be in the chamber with democrats republicans fighting like cats and dogs on domestic policy i hope we

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remember talking and saying i'm worried for you, within 24 hours he is what was arrested. his argument is, i have to be here with my people. so this speech strengthens the russian dissident movement, and gives them something. >> but on that point, there was something, he said at one point, it is naive to wait for steps towards peace from russia. that was what he paired with this idea that the russian people, essentially, don't have the power to resist the kremlin, right. the idea internationally, certainly the idea in much of american analysis of vladimir putin that, this this is putin 's, wore not something anybody else in russia talk him into, this is an obsession of putin he has this idea of reconstituting the russian empire if not the soviet union. he wants ukraine to be one of the things he owns. and in so doing, obviously putin has set his own interests and desires as obscure as they may be apart from those of russian people. but for him to say we cannot wait on russia to take any

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offensive weapons the patriots that we're going to be given to ukraine those are huge because they can shoot air war now he can shoot down a lot of these cruise missiles effectively they are some of the best military tools we have in the united states, but they want to use long range missiles to go into russia, to be more offensive, to take out tactical supplies there. so what i heard was, we need to keep fighting, we need to keeping aggressive this is not going to be a table for peace anytime soon. >> some people from the winter could be that time to launch the offensive, because frozen ground is easier to drive tanks on and muddy ground. there are other advantages beside -- obviously there's going to be some suffering and pain on the part of ukraine civilians, but technically, there is some talk that the winter could be weaponized by the ukrainians equally in terms of -- >> russian soldiers who did not want to be their last february, and last, march we're also going through this winter with

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you >> also, great battle of saratoga recall. i mean -- almost. >> in their dna. but, he was of hosting from the same choir as you rachel, he frame this as the struggle against tyranny, and thought one of the most dark -- the darkness on the edge of the horizon was, you cannot hope the ocean will provide protection when he is talking about what russia is doing, in tandem with -- iran. >> the world astute connected and interdependent, the struggle against tyranny, the common freedoms we, share the idea that one terrorist has found another, speaking about the iranians, and the russians, and they will strike against or other allies. this was framed in terms of that global struggle against the dark forces of autocracy and tyranny, and that should resonate with americans as well. as we talk about the other cases we have been dealing with here in america, featuring many of them are former president. >> including to the russian people, until they defeat the kremlin in their minds,, right until which is basically

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sending a message to them, keep standing, up keep protesting, basically overthrow this guy and send -- because he is holding you back. i thought it was an interesting note in the speech. >> and again, he put at the top, talking about a recurring, line how those through lines being important about how these things land, he said our first joint victory, congratulating you and us, and our first joint victory meaning america and ukraine, our first joint victory was defeating russia, in the battle for the minds of the world. then he came back to that idea when he was talking about the russian people, needing to be free of the kremlin in their minds, and needing to be able to resist this. >> hard speech for vladimir putin to watch tonight, because you talked at the beginning this thing about alexei navalny, and the people outside including -- who picture you had up in your introduction. volodymyr got arrested, he went back from the u.s. to russia, on april 9th or tenth, and i

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control over us. >> the russian tyranny has lost control over us. joining us now, live from kyiv, ukraine's former minister of defense and military advisor -- thank you very much for being with us tonight, i really appreciate you being at this late hour. >> thank you very much. >> this is a historic day here for us in the united states to have a wartime leader leave his country for the first time since the invasion ten months ago to choose to come here, to make this case to the american, legislature the american, people it is a big deal for, us but have to manage and this is a very big deal for you in kyiv, especially given the risk it takes to have a president leaving. >> yes, of course, and obviously, this was for many people, it was a big surprise because we knew that is a landscape -- and he say is constant concern

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ukraine. in support of ukraine's idea of a peace initiative. and perhaps in new york city. is that the sort of thing that if something like that were convened that might puncture some of the sort of success of russian messaging in your opinion capitals that you are describing? as the russians are saying they are blaming zelenskyy for the fact they were still going on. if the u.s., particularly if they did it in the united states work to convene something like that. might it make progress against something like you are describing? >> it would be difficult if it was convened in the united states. since according to vladimir putin, the united states and ukraine are working hand and hand. and i think that after today's display of unity, it would be hard to dispute that. but, have not seen any real attempts at diplomacy. and i think what you saw today from the united states, particularly from president biden who pressed this issue

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question, we obviously want to avoid a war with russia, and we do not want to see this war escalate any more than it already has. that is only not good for the ukrainian, people it is not good for our national security interest, those european partners and allies. >> what can you tell us about what president zelenskyy reference in his speech about a peace summit, or a peace initiative. we talked about ten points that ukraine is asking for and he said in his speech that president biden agrees with approach, can you tell us what he's talking about? >> he is talking about a proposal that he set forth to the g20, just about a month or so ago, it was endorsed by the -- which includes the united states, it's ten principles of what peace should look like in ukraine. it is not a peace plan necessarily, but a formula of principles around which a beast can be formed. obviously we want to see this war, and we don't want to see ukraine peaceful again, so we think those principles are

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>> he walked out of congress being applauded, carrying an american flag. i think that sums up right there. he came to the united states in the surprise visit. this was a president and he told us are ourselves, encouraged to leave as the russian star numbers. told by the united states, get out of town, do you need a plane you need arrived, we get your family out. he decided to stay. and now he has emerged as this historic figure. coming to the united states, almost a year on. saying that he is still there. don't forget, don't give up on us. because we aren't giving up on ourselves. so i think the symbolism of the trip was important. it showed confidence. that he was able to do this trip at all. in the early days of the, where

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because times are tough. the economy is tough in the united states. it is even worse here. in the uk at the moment, the health care system is in crisis. hospital, nurses, ambulances on strike. had to bring in soldiers to operate ambulances today. the idea that they should just wrap up this war and get on with the. and it's really zelenskyy was dragging out on. something is fighting against. to sign a separate piece with russia that would be premature bad deal. came and showed this incredible solidarity and a bond with president biden. that report seemed genuine there was clearly a human connection between the two of

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