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And they're blocking primary source documents. >> all that is true, but i didn't hear a counter narrative to any of that so-called secondhand information. it was remarkably consistent. and don't screw with a guy who takes notes. you know, i once worked for a philadelphia mayor named frank rizzo who said never write a letter and never throw one away. >> he had a reason to say that. >> i was thinking of that yesterday. maybe he did, john. but he's not here to defend himself. but i was thinking of that yesterday. you know, the detail as a trial lawyer, you know, i wish for a witness like ambassad...

So i think it just says that this is not just the phone call. this goes beyond it. and the president was involved beyond the phone call as well. >> here's what the president had to say about that phone call when he was asked about this yesterday. >> i know nothing about that. first time i've heard it. the one thing i've seen that sondland said he did speak to me for a brief moment. and i said no quid pro quo under any circumstances. and that's true. the other, i've never heard this. in any event, it's more second hand information, but i've never heard it. >> so interesting. >> he talks about i...

Privileges, absolute immunity, the more this information is necessary, the more compelling the argument that it needs to be turned over. and so, every time they attack these witnesses as hearsay and second-hand information, they are making the case that these documents should be turned over. >> i also want to ask you, barb, about the new information we got today. bill taylor says a member of his staff overheard a phone call that gordon sondland placed to the president personally from a cell phone from a restaurant in ukraine, which is mind-bending in itself. that's not how things are supposed ...

Secondhand information. >> the president -- you didn't listen in on president trump and zelensky's call? >> i did not. >> you never talked with chief of staff mulvaney. >> i didn't. >> and you never met the president and it didn't come up. >> and two of those it didn't hear as far as i know -- >> and president zelensky never made an announcement. this is what i can't believe. and you're they're star witness. you're their first witness. >> let me just say that i don't consider myself a star witness for anything. >> they do. you don't. but they do. >> i don't. i'm just responding to -- i'm respo...

>> the president also in this news conference underway responding to the new evidence revealed by ambassador taylor. let's listen. >> but there was one moment where ambassador bill taylor recounted a conversation that an aid of his overheard -- it was the day after the phone call with zelensky on july the 26th. that -- how are things going with proceeding with the investigations. the sondland repeated back to you according to his aid that ukraine was prepared to do everything that you wanted some >> i know nothing about that. first time i've heard it. sondland said was that he did speak to me ...