delay tactic. if hope at best they might get an evidencey hearing. how the boxes were organized this way. whether or not there is something of allegations of bias and improper storage. on on the merits, it doesn t absolve trump of the idea that he willfully retained the documents. he knew he had them in 2022. when he turned stuff over to the archives. he is talking with his lawyers they are telling him to turn it over. we keep finding stuff. it will not ultimately change anything. but it will quite possibly the way judge cannon handles things but it will drag things out a little more. we are at the first anniversary of the mar-a-lago case. anyone s guess whether we get to the second anniversary. bradley moss, thank you for your time tonight. have a good night. that is our show. now it is time for the last word with jonathan who is in for lawrence o donnell. good evening. i would love to know if we are going to have a classified documents case but who knows. prepare a sheet cake with the number not on the cake and eat it or not. let s just eat it anyway. have a good show. today, a jury convicted hunter biden, the only surviving son of president joe biden, oh three federal gun felonies. after a little less than three hours of deliberations, 12 jurors many president biden s home state of delaware agreed with prosecutors that hunter biden lied on a mandatory gun purchase form by saying he was not illegally using or addicted to drugs at a time when he was. president joe biden responded with this statement. as i said last week, i m the president. i am also a dad. jill and i love our son. and we are so proud of the man he is today. i will accept the outcome of this case and continue to respect 2 judicial process as hunter considers an appeal. joe and i will also be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. he didn t attack the verdict. he didn t say it was rigged. no. all the wild and irresponsible reaction to the verdict today came from republicans. some of whom have embraced the conspiracy myth that the justice department charged and convicted hunter biden of these felony to misdirect from other crimes. bigly crimes. unnamed. unspecified. imagined biden crimes that are much bigger and badder than all the actual crimes donald trump is charged with. steven miller posted the hunter biden verdict was proof that doj is joe s election protection racket. the trump campaign called it a distraction from the real crimes. one right wing commenter thinks it was cover for the trump prosecution? you go after donald trump and hunter biden. okay. in republican s defense, you might go a little crazy, too, if you had to defend backing a known fraudster, sexual abuser and now 34-time convicted felon for president. in a new op ed, merrick garland denounced the republican attacks on the justice department. quote, they are baseless, personal, and dangerous. today the doj sent a let tore jim jordan to confirm there were no emails between any justice department officials and the office of manhattan district attorney alvin bragg. quote, the department has no control over the district attorney. the committee knows this. despite that, district attorney bragg has agreed to testify before the house on july 12th the day after donald trump s sentencing. a spokesperson for the manhattan da s office said it undermines the rule of law to spread dangerous misinformation following the full count felony conviction in people v trump. nonetheless, we respect our government institutions and plan to appear voluntarily before the subcommittee after sentencing. joining us now, neil, argued more than 50 cases before the supreme court. he is a professor at georgetown law, an msnbc legal analyst and host of the podcast court side. thank you so much for being here. so now, some republicans are pushing the hunter biden jury verdict as proof of a doj conspiracy. this is some kerry matheson red yarn over a cork board stuff. did you have that on your bingo card? it is almost impossible. the verdict today makes these conservative claims look ridiculous. for years these conservatives have been crowing about a politicized justice department. what happened today, the justice department convicted the president s own son. his only living son. imagine what that would take. the president gave you that job. you have the power as every attorney general does to end the prosecution. with the stroke of a pen. and you didn t do it. that s what the rule of law is all about. and, similarly, the constitution gives the president the power to pull the plug on any prosecution. that is part of article two. so biden, president biden could have absolutely ended this prosecution once and for all. he didn t do it. that s the test about someone who has convictions in the system. and when it is over, you didn t hear joe biden wining about a trump judge though the judge here is literally a trump judge appointed by trump. rather you heard the president saying he would accept the outcome of the case. i know no other word for that but presidential. he even went so far as to say he wouldn t pardon his son. we saw this with judge merchan and it is merrick garland s way too, trying to lower the temperature in the wake of these overthe top trump republican attacks. do you think he is responding proportionally to the trumpian all-out war on our justice system? i was really glad to see the attorney general s op ed today in the washington post saying look, what the department does is justify the rule of law and we do so fairly and impartially. that s the justice department that i saw jonathan when i worked there in two different administrations. and it is like why people respect this country so much. this morning i had the privilege of speaking at a naturalization ceremony for 150 new citizens from 54 countries and what do they respect about america? they respect exactly a verdict like this. even the president s own son could be convicted by the president s justice department and the president s prosecution arm because this president respects the constitution and respects the rule of law. unlike some of these republicans who spit on this every chance they can. what do you expect to see when mat hat tan da alvin bragg testifies? i expect to see a big nothing. all sorts of innuendo related to how joe biden helped orchestrate the felony conviction of his own son though it was overseen by a trump appointed special council. and adjudicated by a trump judge. i m sure we will hear cray-cray like that. the justice department said today there was no communication between the prosecutor who is the centerpiece of these crazy conspiracy theories and the justice department. zero. none. so have the hearing by all means. that is part of congress responsibilities. but it would be nice to have some facts in these hearings. be nice to have some. but i m not expecting any. thank you for coming to the last word. thank you. so, here is how you know trump knows it could get much worse for him. he is a dumb son of a [bleep] convicted felon trump indicted for his unsuccessful attempt to overturn the 2020 election praised the january 6th rioters who attacked the capitol calling them warriors. those j6 warriors were warriors but they were victims of what happened. all they were doing is protesting a rigged election. that s what they were doing. while trump was ranting in las vegas sunday, president biden was returning from france after commemorating the 80th anniversary of d-day. the biden campaign has released this ad slamming former president trump for being a draft dodger. a good commander-in-chief is somebody who gives a [bleep]. i served in the united states marine corp. i m ed mccabe. i served from the 1990s until 2014. i m matthew mclaughlin. it is the first time i m shaking the hands of a president of the united states. it was pretty impactful to me to see an individual that supports troops not just on the battlefield but when we return home. i see a man in joe biden who accepts accountability and responsibility and when i see his predecessor donald trump, i see a man who is only in this for himself. who criticizes veterans. who doesn t see it important for him to go to the funerals. donald trump has zero accountability in his life. he is a draft dodger. simple as that. yesterday, draft dodger donald trump sat for his first probation hearing as a convicted felon. a mandatory requirement before his sentencing july 11th. meanwhile, president biden held a white house event commemorating juneteenth. a federal holiday he established in 2021 to recognize the emancipation of enslaved african americans after the civil war. in his remarks, president biden reminded the audience why black history is still so important. let s be clear. they are all ghosts trying to take us back. taking away your freedoms, making it harder for black people to vote. closing doors of opportunity. attacking the values of diversity. equity and inclusion. banning books about black experiences. trying to erase and rewrite history. it is not just about the past. it s about our present and our future. it is whether that future is a future all of us, not just for some of us. folks, black history is american history. black history is american history. joining us now, former assistant democratic leader in the house of representatives, congressman james cleiburn. a cochair of the biden harris 2024 campaign. congressman, always great to see you. welcome back to the show. i was at the juneteenth event last night and president biden has touted the inflation reduction act. lowering drug prices. but listen to how roy wood jr. talked about that achievement. we have legislation for cheaper prescription drugs. insulin is down to $35 if you are a senior. i don t know if anybody here has paid for insulin before. but that is like the bottle service of prescription drugs so we appreciate that $35 right there. i love the relatable roy wood jr. used to break it down. it is funny, but telling a policy success story. does the campaign need to do more of that? well thank you very much for having me. absolutely. we have to get this out there. this administration has a record that is unequal even cannot be imagined. by a lot of people who thought about these things as we went into the last election. this administration with this rescue plan has brought young children out of poverty. with this infrastructure bill is put in $65 billion for internet when we had no money for infrastructure in the previous administration. the chipping science act. it is inflation reduction act. all of these things people said could not be done. joe biden did them. and i get a little irritated when i hear people telling me well, he isn t talking loud enough. he didn t show the kind of energy we want. we are about substance. substance. not style. that is what will move this country forward. that is what will leave for our children and grandchildren a country to be proud of. real substance. you can talk loud. you can misrepresent. you can prance around. but, the question is, what are you doing? i used to listen to my dad s sermons and one of the things i learned early, it is their deeds that get them. not their words. if you get caught up on the words, they will pay any attention to the deeds, you might believe in donald trump. but if you are all about deeds, you will be supporting this president. this administration. biden and harris. let s talk about, some more deeds. because today, the biden administration announced that medical debt can no longer be considered in credit scores. president biden has made debt elimination one of his pitches on the campaign. but new polling shows americans are split on student loan forgiveness. three in ten adults approve while four in ten disapprove. how concerned are you about those polling numbers we see on the screen right there? i think it is because people have misrepresented this whole thing about student loan debt elimination. joe biden, if you look at the program, he made it very clear. we are talking about eliminating this compounded interest. and all these things that have accumulated beyond what the original debt was. i have a constituent. not a black constituent. a constituent in north charleston who wrote a letter to the president with a copy to me. his original loan was $60,000. over the years he has paid back nearly $200,000 because of compounded interest. and paying for it for more than 20 years. and still owed money. so when he eliminated that debt, it was on the compounded interest. not the original loan. and people need to look at that. when i hear senator romney says that this was a bad deal, how can it be a bad deal? the principle is paid back a long, long, long time ago. these people are paying compounded interest that has been put out there by people who are making money when the original principle was paid back a long time ago. so that is what is going on here. so nobody is paying anybody s debt. they paid off the debt. the compound interest people are collecting and putting people in the poor house as we say down south. let me get you on one more thing. let s talk comments that entertainment 50-cent made on capitol hill last week. listen to this. i said i m identifying with trump. why do you say that? because they got rico charges. congressman, your reaction, black men are moving to trump because they have rico charges? look. he should have been with me last saturday night at this south carolina naacp freedom fund dinner. 100% support for joe biden. not one single person in there, male or female, for donald trump. should have been with me at greater target memorial ame church on sunday morning. 100% for joe biden. not a single person there. for donald trump. i don t know where 50-cent is hanging out. but i hang out with the naacp. i hang out with the black community. back faith community, and i don t see any support for donald trump. these people are not worried about rico, they are worried about their children s student loan debt. they are worried about the cost of insulin when it comes to their health care. they are worried about affordable housing. they are worried about broad band deployment. that s what they are getting from this president and they are not thinking about whatever it is 50-cent is talking about in rico. it is down in georgia. that is what donald trump violated. and so, we are upset because he is being called to account for violateing the rico statute? come on 50-cent. that is worth a dollar to know better. congressman, always great to see you. thank you for comeing to the last word. thank you very much for having me. all right, 50 cents. coming up, we are 11 days into pride month and there is one person i know who isn t celebrating. justice samuel alito s wife has been caught on tape sharing her exasperation at seeing pride flags from her house. and that s not the only reason we should be worried about what s on those secret recordings. that s next. those secret recordings. that s next. i have moderate to severe crohn s disease. now, there s skyrizi. things are looking up, i ve got symptom relief. control of my crohn s means everything to me. control is everything to me. feel significant symptom relief at 4 weeks with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer bowel movements. skyrizi is the first il-23 inhibitor that can deliver remission and visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. and the majority of people experienced long-lasting remission at one year. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to. liver problems may occur in crohn s disease. now s the time to ask your gastroenterologist how you can take control of your crohn s with skyrizi. control is everything to me. learn how abbvie could help you save. i brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein! those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. -ugh. -here, i ll take that. woo hoo! ensure max protein, 30 grams protein, 1 gram sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals. and a new fiber blend with a prebiotic. 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joining me now, kelly robinson, president of the human rights campaign. your reaction to what we heard. shocking but not shocking in the same sense. what she is saying about flags, it is not about flags. it s a dog whistle to maga bullies across the board. what she wants to do is use the flag as a symbol to talk about how they want to push us back into the closet. when i talk about what it represents, tomorrow represents eight years since the pulse mass shooting where 49 members of our community s lives were stolen forever. this kind of violent action and political rhetoric leads to real world outcomes so anyone that is listening to her, anyone that is watching what she says, should be very, very concerned. not only about her words but what it means in terms of the actions of people that are listening to her. uh-huh. this audio, new audio from justice alito tonight. listen. justice alito tonight. listen. kelly, does this sound ominous given the two abortion cases and january 6th cases to be decided? to me it sounds hypocrital. i remember when barack obama wore a tan suit and people acted like it was the end of democracy. and now, we are talking about a whole supreme court justice whose wife is saying things like this who is espousing these belief that s are concerning for someone on the highest court of the land. so i do think that anyone that is listening to the words that are coming out of justice alito s mouth, you should be concerned. but i also know if you are a person of color, if you are an lgbtq plus person, a woman, someone who is nonbinary, we don t have the luxury of putting our fear into a state of analysis. it is more critical than ever that we get out and we vote this november. our lives are quite literally at stake. uh-huh. trump is out there giving comfort to anti-abortion groups promising to defend life. these also sound like rights this ideological supreme court has no interest in protecting. they don t. they have said the quiet part out loud already. we have to remember that when roe v. wade was overturned and justice thomas concurrence, he said out loud, the next the court should revisit lawrence. they should revisit griswold. they asserted our basic rights as lgbtq plus people in this country and our right to contraception so any time they say that these things are not on the table, look at what they are doing. we should be very concerned about what we are seeing and take it as a call to action. at the end of the day, we still live in a democracy. our votes still count. and there is something that we can do right now about how this court has gotten so far disconnected from its actual mission in our democracy. as i mentioned before, i was at the juneteenth event where i met your beautiful wife last night. but that s not the point why i m bringing that up. i want to play something that vice president harris said last night. watch. across our nation, we witnessed a full-on attack on hard fought hard won freedoms and rights. including the freedom of a woman to make decisions about her own body, the freedom to be who you are and love who you love openly and with pride. the freedom from fear of bigotry and hate. the freedom to learn and acknowledge our nation s true and full history. and the freedom that unlocks all others, the freedom the vote. how important is it to stress to voters that the supreme court is on the ballot in november. what is at stake is more samuel alitos or more ketanji brown jackson. exactly. what i saw from kamala harris, that is leadership. at the end of the day when we think about this election coming up, it is not just about two candidates, it is two fundamentally different visions for our country. when you talk to people, a lot of our fears are the same. worried your kids will have a better life than you do. concerns about inflation. making sure schools are good and welcoming and safe. but i want to make sure that whoever we elect that their solutions are about moving us forward and not pulling us back. what the supreme court has shown that they are willing to do from the overturn of roe v. wade to all they have said and done in the last year, they are willing to roll back the rights not only of the last ten years or last 40 years but the last 100. we have got to do something about it for the sake of all of our communities and especially for the sake of our kids. kelly robinson, thank you very much for comeing to the last word. thank you. coming up, it s election night in nevada. a must win state for joe biden and kamala harris and a muster win seat for democrat ifs they hope to hold onto the senate. nevada senator jack see rosen joins us next. rosen joins us next. clogged gutters can cause big problems fast. until now. call 833-leaffilter today for your free gutter inspection. i ve had terrible flooding problems on my porch. now i understand why. right now leaffilter is offering a free inspection, on your schedule. leaffilter is a permanent gutter solution, so you never have to worry about costly damage from clogged gutters again. call us today and schedule your free inspection. to schedule your free inspection, call 833.leaf.filter today or visit leaffilter.com. -cologuard®? 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i can tell you latino voters in nevada, they are the decisive vote. and my team in nevada, so many of them born and raised in nevada, i myself lived here the last 50 years just about. we are in the community all the time. we are listening and we are responding. i sit on the small business and entrepreneurship committee. we talk about all the latino small businesses. so many entrepreneurs. we want to be sure they have all the tools that they need to keep and start their small business and thrive. it is really important. and we talk about education. and our environment. we are connecting with our latino voters. the same issues that matter to everybody else. senator rosen, the late long time nevada senator harry reid built a famous statewide democratic organization in nevada. is the reid machine still in effect in nevada? what that means around nevada state. we work together to make sure we do our field program. we are talking about the issues. we coordinate. being sure we are communicating. working together. nevada families, they really matter. listening to them and delivering for them really matters. we will have the new va hospital. they are searching for their 50- acre site now. it will be a game changer fir the veterans in northern nevada. whether it is seniors, veterans, students, or a tourism economy. we are listening and delivering. senator jackie rosen of nevada. thank you very much for coming to the last word. thank you for having me. coming up, biden is beating trump in a new election forecast and one of the big reasons is biden s strength in the key swing state of wisconsin and particularly, with a group of voters who make up the bulk of the trump base. that s next. the trump base. that s next. yself i was ok with my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis symptoms. with my psoriatic arthritis symptoms. but just ok isn t ok. and i was done settling. if you still have symptoms after a tnf blocker like humira or enbrel, rinvoq is different and may help. rinvoq is a once-daily pill that can rapidly relieve joint pain, stiffness, and swelling in ra and psa. relieve fatigue. and stop further joint damage. and in psa, can leave skin clear or almost clear. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin; heart attack, stroke, and gi tears occurred. people 50 and older with a heart disease risk factor have an increased risk of death. serious allergic reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. done settling? 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the issues they care about our kitchen table issues that a lot of us talk about. affordable healthcare. women s reproductive rights, voting rights, saving our democracy, good education and childcare. basically kitchen table issues. what do you say back to them? we talked about some of the issues that president biden and harris put forward. the jobs that have been created. money that has come into green county for various rings such as our ymca and county seats in the city of monroe. basic issues like that. we try to point out to people what is being done. on the flipside on the ground, what do you hear from voters about trump if anything? that they really do not want him back in office. it is as simple as that. been, how voters get their information has changed, much more now on social media then with traditional advertising. how has that changed voter outreach? the first thing we have to assume is there is no silver bullet. you may get something on the local news that reaches some voters. some are reading the weekly newspaper that comes in. maybe they pick it up at the grocery store. we have to be everywhere. social media platforms, foreign science, door to door organizing, phone calls and text messages. show up at parades and county fairs, we build a surroundsound environment. we assume just because you said something somewhere does not mean anybody heard it. you have to say it everywhere and over and over. that is what it takes. trump is trying to confuse people. we need to bring people s focus back to what affects them directly. their freedom to make decisions about their own body and living in a democracy. who is fighting for them. trump promising wealthy donors whatever they want. that contrast does resonate for people but you have to go to where the voters are. sandy you have been nodding in agreement. my last question is, if biden were to come to green county and ask your advice on what he should say to voters, what would you tell him? that is a good question. i would guess to just be honest with them on what he plans to do for the voters, listening to them and what their issues are is the most important. being able to address those. if biden could come to green county, they would be ecstatic. we have 90 seconds left, same question been, what would you say team biden needs to work on or watch out for? we love biden coming to the state because he does listen to people. when they hear from him they moved toward him and when they hear from trump they move away. we have 97-99 assembly district covered. anybody that wants to help us organize you can volunteer at the website. biden really digs into what he is delivering. he announced a $3 billion investment by microsoft in a community where trump showed up and promised the sun, moon and stars and never did anything. that contrast really lance. for people that wonder what jobs they will have in 10 years, when biden shows up and does something it clicks. we want him to keep coming and we think we can draw a contrast with trump who talks big and delivers nothing and uses power to exact revenge instead of serving the people. i think it is guaranteed that biden and harris will be back in wisconsin multiple times before election day. thank you both very much for coming to the last word. we will be right back. ht back. that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don t take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it s time we all shine. talk to a healthcare provider about nurtec odt from pfizer. citi s industry leading global payments solutions help their clients move money around the world seamlessly in over 180 countries. and help a partner like the world food programme as they provide more than food to people in need. together, citi and the world food programme empower families across the globe. i wanna hold you forever hey little bear bear. i m gonna love you forever c mon, bear. you don t.you don t have to worry. be by your side. i ll be there. with my arms wrapped around. craig here pays too much for verizon wireless. so he sublet half his real estate office. 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that is tonight s last ward, the 11th hour starts now. tonight, hunter biden is guilty in the federal gun case. what is next for the president s son as he awaits sentencing? my exclusive interview with trump s former national security advisor. why he thinks we are not taking the former presidents threats seriously enough. why congress is being lost. the 11th hour gets underway on this tuesday night. good evening once again, we are now 147 days away from the election. today the president s son hunter was convicted on all counts in the federal gun trial. the jury deliberated for three hours. biden excepts the outcome of the case and will always be there for his son. reporter: tonight, president biden arriving in delaware, hugging his son on the tarmac after hunter biden became the first child of a sitting resident found guilty in a criminal trial. it took three hours of deliberations for 12 jurors to determine that hunter biden was guilty of three felony counts, from lying about his drug use in order to purchase a gun. the prosecution saying this was not a case about his struggles with crack but his decisions to break the law. his the choice to lie and purchase a gun. it was these choices that made his conduct dangerous. reporter: inside the courtroom the president s son did not react, he left holding the hand of the first lady later releasing a statement saying i am more grateful today for the love and support i experienced today then i am disappointed by the outcome. it comes after four days of damning testimony. many testifying about his drug use around the time he filled out the background check saying he was not a drug user. his ex-girlfriend testifying he witnessed him smoking crack every 20 minutes or so. the defense argued that hunter biden did not knowingly lie on the farm. tonight we spoke with juror number 10. you felt that you and the jurors separating politics from the case was not difficult. correct. for us it is not politically motivated. politics did not play into anything we said in the jury room. president biden said we are not pardoning our son. he said joe and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with love and support. nothing will change that. with that let s get smarter with the help of the leadoff panel this evening. mike is here, he has covered biden and the family for more than a decade. susan a staff writer for the new yorker. mike, you know i am going to you first. you know this president and his family better than any other reporter out there. how are they reacting to this? biden has a lot of family expressions and one of them i hear the most often is family is everything. the beginning, the middle and the end. i have seen them come together to celebrate the biggest triumphs, the election and the inauguration, but i have also seen them come together to endorse some of the most tragic moments as a family. this is one that yet again brought the family together to take stock of a difficult moment. the past week and a half has been difficult, reliving through the trial, the most difficult moments of their family, starting with the death of bo and what it did to hunter leading to the addiction. as i talk with people close to the family, i have been struck by a tone of defiance and a resoluteness about what comes next. there has been concerned about what it means politically but also personally for biden. he is 21 weeks away from his last election, 16 days away from a consequential debate against trump. the tone i am hearing from people close to the president is that they are proud as the public service as a family and nothing will stop them from achieving the goal they set out in front of them. the politics, the legal situation does not get easier from here but they are determined to face it together as a family. you wrote in the la times that the juries decision was right but the prosecutions was wrong. what does that mean? the doj guidelines have ways of handling cases and cases like this in which somebody lies on a farm but does not do any other crime with the gun or is not part of a gang are universally dismissed were treated with the severity that david treated this one and that is how david first proposed to treat this a year ago when the gun charges were going to be the subject of a divergent agreement, if hunter kept clean for two years it would go away. the screening question, not the jury verdict but the decision to charge presents, is what happened since then to change his view of what was the proper punishment and treatment of hunter to take it outside how doj practice would normally treat it and because he was a special counsel, nobody in the supervisory structure which would normally say we do not do that, nobody was there to say that and i think it is certain for whatever reason that hunter was treated more severely than any other defendant with the same facts. susan, you have written you don t think a game changer can change voters minds about this election, i am assuming you do not think this verdict will have much of a impact. we are getting to the point where you are anticipating me well. if trumps conviction and becoming the first convicted felon in american history who is a former president, if that was not a radical change, i do not see the conviction of a private citizen, even one that is the sign of the current president to be a game changer in this race. it is that close. a minor shift at best toward biden. it is not clear how this conviction of his son will play politically. certainly republicans were immediately questioning this, saying this is a distraction, there were all sorts of conspiracy areas, default setting from some of trumps public supporters and defenders. hunter is not running for president and that is the bottom line. there is no evidence that years of investigations of him, dragging his name around, has affected biden s political standing and i do not anticipate this would either. hunter is not running for president, he has no role in the government, past, present or future. what could he look at as far as a sentence goes? the standard guidelines would dictate a sentence between 15-21 months based on the conduct and lack of criminal history. those are just recommendations. my best guess, consistent with others, is that he will receive less than that from the judge. remember there is still the tax charges he has to face and david made it clear today that the investigation is ongoing and he may be targeting some of hunter s conduct in 2014 in china in business dealings but for this charge itself i expect him to get a sentence that is a matter of months, not 15-21 that the guidelines would otherwise dictate. even if it is just a few months, hunter biden has secret service protection, how does that work? your guests is as good as mine. we know the secret service prepared a plan when it came up with trump, trump would have his own wing and people would be there. there would have to be a lot of cooperation with authorities. here it is easier because it is federal authorities. still that will be worked out one way or another. that is the least of the practical issues this conviction poses today. you just laid it out for us how close the biden family is and how defiant the president is when it comes to protecting his family. at this time last year i interviewed the president, much to his teams anger and fury, i asked about hunter and he clearly said my son is innocent and good. the president is heading deeper into this campaign, how will he handle the questions he is asked, the narrative around hunter now that we have a guilty verdict and a president that does respect the rule of law and decisions made by a jury? ink about the gauntlet ahead, 16 days from now is the first debate. tomorrow the president is leaving for a important foreign trip, he will be at the g7 summit meeting with other key leaders as well as pope francis. you know how close this president is with that pope. then he comes back and has a little over a week to prepare for that debate. we have never seen a rematch between combatants like trump and biden and we know the strategy on the part of the former president is to likely try to get under biden s skin and use this against him. the biden team looks back at 2020 when hunter was a frequent political cudgel that tried to be used against him. they say it did not work then and it backfired on trump so they are presenting this as a do this at your own peril to trump but i do think that is a concern for people close to biden, as important as preparation is, will he be able to focus on the task at hand, the answer from those i spoke to earlier today is that will not be a issue. former president trump and his friends at fox news said it over and over, where is hunter. it seemed like years. after today s verdict, the trump campaign was basically silent. saying it is just a distraction. what is going on susan? first of all, i guess now that trump wears the label of convicted felon and been the spearhead of the most concerted assault we have ever seen by one political party in this country against the very legitimacy of the legal system, it is not a comparison that is a favorable one. where you have democrats from the president down today that we respect the rule of law and biden will not issue a pardon for his son. as painful as it is, we think the jury system works. so the contrast with trump is obviously one that is unfavorable. i am struck by how quickly trumps allies immediately reverted to conspiracy theories and make-believe. i cannot stress that enough. they are still in burnet down mode. when it comes to the legal system. that includes trying to imply that this case is a distraction from the real secret being covered up, the real case that should be brought against hunter. whatever the conspiracy theory is, it is part of a purposeful and political plan to rip down the authority and legitimacy of the legal system because of donald trump. republicans like to say the current resident weapon ices the justice department but i want to hear what democrat jim mcgovern said about that very thing. when a republican is convicted it is weaponization but when a democrat is convicted, the presidents son no less, that is justice? give me a break. hunter was found guilty by a jury of his peers just like trump come up this is the justice system at work. it is a great reminder that one political party remains committed to the rule of law and the other does not. jim mcgovern ringing irrational thought to a political party. crazy to do these days. there is a lot of apolitical people out there. it seems like what he just laid out would be a contrast for voters, is it? it is interesting, but we did not hear from the president or those around him tonight was criticism of a trump appointed judge that resided over the trial or a trump appointed special counsel. there was none of that. the president reiterated for his respect for the rule of law and freedom and democracy are institutions that are important part of the president campaign so that is a example he is showing not just through those words but the words we saw in another interview, the president has the power after this difficult verdict to free his son of potential jail time. he can issue a pardon as soon as the sentence comes down and he has said he will not do that. if there was ever a opportunity for the president to put his finger on the scale of the justice system, it would seem to be this moment and he said he will not do that. thank you all for starting us off on this serious news evening. when we returned, this man wants worked in the trump administration. now he is one of his biggest critics. john dalton talks about the verdicts in both trials. later the biden campaign has a strategy to brand trump as a felon. how the verdict of the presidents son could complicate that. the 11th hour is just getting underway on a tuesday night. da. only purple s gel flex grid passes the raw egg test. no other mattress cradles your body and simultaneously supports your spine. memory foam doesn t come close. get your best sleep guaranteed right now! save up to $400. visit purple.com or a store near you. my name s trevor. i ve tried other diets in the past never lasted before too long my cravings came back especially my sugar cravings and i fell off the wagon. release worked fast. my sweet tooth is gone. i m so happy with my progress and now i love myself. with absorbine pro, pain won t hold you back from your passions. it s the only solution with two max-strength anesthetics to deliver the strongest numbing pain relief available. so, do your thing like a pro, pain-free. absorbine pro. revenge does take time. sometimes it can be justified. let s be honest. when this election is over, based on what they have done, i would have every right to go after them and it is easy because it is joe biden and you see all of the criminality. i know a lot of republicans that want that retribution. we will see what happens. the former president has been vague but there is no doubt revenge has been top of mind for trump. nbc news noting trump has done five interviews since the verdict and he has talked about possible retribution in all five. john bolton has been warning about this for years. in 2023 he wrote trump only cares about retribution for himself and it will consume much of the second term. thank you for being here. i wanted to talk to you, trump is clearly not shy about saying he will get revenge on his perceived enemies in the second term. are we taking his threats seriously enough? i do not think enough people are. when you hear trump saying things like retribution can be justified, what he means is i am saying retribution can be justified and i think he has a list of adversaries he wants to go after and i think the justice department under his administration will be under chaos as he tells his appointees to go after people whether they have grounds to do it or not. those lawyers will tell you about their legal integrity but it will put the judiciary under a lot of pressure. you may be on that list, are you concerned for your own safety? i am concerned about a lot of people he made it clear he wants to go after. he tried to suppress my book and he tried to get a criminal investigation started and they were both settled because they were without merit. i do not think those technicalities stand in his way. for example he said he wants to prosecute the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff for daring to have a conversation with his chinese counterpart to ensure the chinese state do not need to worry and trump said that is treason and reminded people that death penalty used to apply. i think he is serious. this will be a retribution presidency and the justice department will be where the rubber meets the road. you called the new york verdict the fire bell in the night and you urged your party to nominate somebody else at the convention. do you think that is something that could realistically happen? is there a group working on this? i do not think it is realistic but i do think people should have a gut check one more time at least. for most americans, voting for a convicted felon will be a obstacle. you can say all you want this was a result of political discrimination against trump. he will be able to raise selective prosecution argument on appeal. new yorkers found him guilty because the facts the prosecution presented were clear. that is a problem the party will have an could affect senate candidates and house candidates. i think if he is elected, electing the first convicted felon as president will cause real damage to the u.s. and how we are perceived abroad. given the guilty verdict today for hunter biden, what do you say to those republicans that claimed that biden has weaponized the doj and made hit his political tool? and basically shot his son in the process. it is a conspiracy theory. you could not do in that department what trump supporters say has been done and not have it leaked to every major media outlet in the country. it is possible to be the victim of selective prosecution and also be guilty. i think certainly that is probably true in trump s case and in hunter s case they are not done with him. there will be a income tax case and a special counsel s investigation into hunter. so i would like to see what the impact of this case is on the election. even though it is not joe biden and see what people think when he says for trump, the entire world is against him, apparently against hunter as well. do you think trump is a threat to democracy? i want to know if you believe it and if so, what would it look like? i do not think he is a threat to democracy or our system. i think he will cause enormous damage in a second term and it will be a term of confusion and turmoil but the idea that trump will overthrow the united states constitution or the republic or that he is a threat to democracy gives him too much credit. it is important to state the threat accurately, not overstated or understated. to understand the nature of the threat so people that oppose it can combat it effectively. overdoing it gives trump a break and that is a mistake. you have said trump does not have the brains for dictatorship even though he would say that he would be a dictator on day one. does that make him less dangerous if he is not that smart but still wants to be a dictator? it goes to the point while trump has a infinite span of attention when it comes to the greater glory of trump, his attention span on most other issues are equal to a fruit flies. so his opponents and even some of his supporters that try to move him away from the most dangerous things he does will have plenty of room to try to step in. i am not trying to minimize what i see trump doing. what he was doing at the end of his first term is where it will pick up the day he is inaugurated and it is serious but when you say the republic is self will fall like the roman republic fell, really? people think trump is equal to julius caesar? give me a break. he may not be but this time around he will not have the safety guards of you or mcmaster and the list goes on. are you concerned about the people in his current orbit and what they are capable of doing? yes i think any administration in a second term does not attract the quality of people it does in the first. the runway in the second term is shorter, he will be a lame duck the minute he is sworn in and he has a lot of people around him, the people that stayed in the government after january 6 who are second and third graders at best. trump will assist in staffing a second term on personal loyalty to him above all. he is coming up on his decision for his vp nominee and the two questions on the interview form are do you think the 2020 election was stolen and if i told you in a similar situation to do what i told mike pence to do, would you do it? unless the answers to both questions are yes that person will not be considered. you will see something similar in virtually all key positions. that is a dangerous circumstance. to the extent the republicans in the senate take the process seriously, if they see people were loyal to trump than the constitution, that alone is grounds to vote against them. is there a specific person close to him now that you are worried about? i would not want to give any of them academy awards. i think there are bright people that have joined this cult of personality. the smarter they are, the more dangerous they are. you are giving us serious warnings, something i am going to say is not that serious is a right in vote. this election will be biden or trump, in 2020 you wrote in cheney, you said you would do it again. are you giving a clear and honest warning if you are willing to do another right in that will not help anything? i bought that argument in 2016 when hillary ran against trump and i voted for trump in 2016. hillary and bill were a year ahead of me in law school and i would like to say i have been burdened with them longer than the rest of the country but after working for trump i could not good for him but i did not vote for biden in 2020 and will not this year because i do not think he is fit to be president for different reasons. when you have two people that do not cross the bar of acceptability, i think is legitimate to cast a protest vote. a year ago i heard a lot of republicans say they will not vote for trump but they look at biden and they decide to vote for the lesser of two evils. it is a unhappy time for america when these are the two people we nominated and it will be a bad four years for america no matter who wins. then are these concerns really serious? it is a protest vote, if i did not vote for anybody this time it will be a protest vote as well. i will not vote for somebody that is not qualified or fit for the office. thank you for joining me today. i do appreciate it. when we return, how hunter s guilty verdict could impact his father s reelection campaign especially with the first debate just two weeks away. when the 11th hour continues. i still love to surf, snowboard, and, of course, skate. so, i take qunol magnesium to support my muscle and bone health. qunol s extra strength, high absorption magnesium helps me get the full benefits of magnesium. qunol, the brand i trust. what is cirkul? cirkul is what you hope for when life tosses lemons your way. cirkul is your frosted treat with a sweet kick of confidence. cirkul is the effortless energy that gets you in the zone. cirkul, available at walmart and drinkcirkul.com. it is not just any tuesday, it is primary night in five states and we have breaking news on a key senate race that could decide the control of the chamber. in nevada, trump s preferred candidate took the gop primary running against jeff who served as a ambassador to iceland. they will face jackie rosen on election day. republicans see nevada as a pickup opportunity. meanwhile hunter s guilty verdict comes days after trump s and weeks before the first presidential debate. while trump and republican allies seized on the news to attack biden it also undercuts a frequent trump lie where trump says the justice system is rigged against him. that same justice system just convicted president biden s son. let s bring in a political analyst and the former chairman of the republican national committee and former lieutenant governor of maryland. you know him as the cohost of the weekend. how can republicans continue to push this rigged justice system line now? they cannot and we are already seeing previews on how they will make that reach, no, this one verdict is just unique. it is completely different from what is happening to trump and that is not the reality. republicans will still try to say that even though it has been demonstrated they have nothing to gain. they tried to use hunter as a political football and their responses show they understand there is nothing for them to gain here. it was described as a distraction. i do not expect them to stop though. they will keep with the trump lies but when we look at this broadly we have to keep in mind it will not have a impact on the election. we heard it repeated throughout the afternoon that hunter is not running for election. we also heard the contrast and reaction to the case where biden says he accepts the jury decision and respects the justice system. that is something that will capture voters attentions. hunter is a one-up, legal bills would disagree. now that biden s son is in that camp doesn t make it harder for him to call trump a convicted felon over and over? no, he is not talking about his son, he is talking about the guy running against him for the presidency. hunter is taking care of his business and he has another case he has to deal with just as trump is taking care of his business and has 3-4 other cases to deal with. it is smart politics to call the thing what it is. obviously she is a convicted felon. our friends on this network counted each count, 1-34. for the biden team is a opportunity for them to lean into the politics. this is a political campaign. what candidate in the world would not use this kind of weakness that is self-imposed by his opponent? remember this is because of what trump did. biden was not in that hotel room with stormy daniels. trump was. the reality is, that is the truth and those are the facts. why not talk about it when the moment presents itself? judging when and how each time will be a matter of decision but lean into it. somebody else talked about politics today. republican we do not hear from often. paul ryan was on fox news and here is what he said. you said he is a populist and a authoritarian narcissist. it is a job that requires the kind of character he just does not have. that is strong. that is the way i feel. i do not support biden either. i think his policies are terrible. a lot of republicans make this argument. we heard john bolton say the same thing a few moments ago. what is your response to that? my response is, to each his own but at a certain point it has to become about the country. going back to your discussion with bolton, the reality is, this is a big deal. you have a individual that is running for president who says he wants to be a dictator. in the annals of our country that is not what we do or have done. we may have had some folks who danced with this idea back in the 30s and in the 50s but leaders in this country and ultimately the american people said to with that. that is not who we are. i am not forsaking the future of my kids and grandkids to a fool who wants to be a dictator because i know what history has taught me about dictatorships. so at a certain point the paul ryan s and john bolton s may sit there and go i cannot do that but what i am asking my fellow republicans to do is think about the country for once. think about the bigger issue, the future of your kids and the importance of this. there are a lot of things about biden s policies i can disagree with all day long but they are not a threat to my freedom, my family or my future. i can get up and have that fight with the administration, i cannot have that fight with doug s knocking on my door sent by a dictator. there are important points to be made about the selection, i think that is one of them. i hope paul ryan and others will come around. at the end of the day, what they do in the privacy of the voting booth is their business despite what they say publicly. i am guessing right now mitch mcconnell is tucked in his bed nodding and agreeing with everything michael is saying but in public he will be welcoming trump later this week along with fellow senate republicans. how would this go? these two men have not met in person since 2020. they loathed each other but they both love power and authority and that is one reason why they will continue to do the public display. i want to go back to something michael said that connected the dots in a way john bolton could not. understanding the threat is important because bolton could not commit to trump being a threat to our democracy. it was drawing to hear the interview in a post generate six reality. where trump still refuses to accept those results and his supporters refused to accept the results proactively. it shows a disconnect that is aligned with some of the other republican talking points that are not based in reality. connecting the dots for the american public is critical and i appreciate that the biden campaign has started their outreach program to those republicans and crafting a national narrative that will appeal across partisan lines. understanding the threats and all of the components of project 20/25 will be mobilizing factors in the election. i appreciate the two of you for being here. when we return, pride under attack. we talked about the growing hostility during pride month. when the 11th hour continues. i m amanda and i ve struggled my whole life with my weight. i had some health issues which affected my hormones and my metabolism literally just crashed on me. i ve tried everything and starving myself just didn t work. what appealed to me about golo was that it focused on losing fat weight and maintaining my muscle. the golo plan and release has given me back my metabolism. golo has shown me how to lose the weight and keep it off. i will never gain the weight back again thanks to golo. for years, people celebrated lgbtq pride month but this year, june is beginning with stories of backlash and hate across the country. in washington state 14 pride banners were slashed, more than 14 flags were stolen from the town center and the colorado republican party posted on x to burn all pride flags this june. i have a question, what is going on? here to discuss, the president and ceo of glad. why are we seeing this pushback? i think it has been holding honestly. what we have seen over the past couple of years is a intensity against our community from right-wing politicians. this past year there have been more than 500 anti-lgbtq bills. only 37 have passed at the state level across the country. that damage is done as soon as the bills are proposed. what the politicians do is filling people with rhetoric, misinformation and lies about our community and it is fueling hate. so this year at glad, we track violence and extremism against our community and in the past month we have seen over 30 attacks on our community. this past weekend we saw three bomb threats against drag shows. so it has really amped up and i think it is a direct line from the rhetoric coming from anti- lgbtq activists and politicians. we have companies now, not officially saying no to pride but quietly pulling back their support, why is this happening? i am not seeing that as much, i am seeing the headline but i am not hearing that when i talk to ceos. i work with over 300 fortune 500 companies and they are not pulling back. as a result over last year s pride and the situation over bud light they are integrating pride into the every day, versus pleading all of their eggs into one basket in june. so i am seeing a increase in commitment. i will tell you why that is. they understand the next generation is lgbtq, 30%. 80% of the next generation identify as allies to the community. so if you are a consumer business in america you need to step up your support to the community and they realize that. what they are trying to do is do it in thoughtful ways. thoughtful is the key word here, how much does misinformation fuel all of this? i have seen people say why on earth does pride get a whole month? we have months the support african americans, women s, disability rights, where does the misinformation come from that makes lgbtq a target of things that are not based in truth? we have a long history of our community being politicized. it has been going on for decades. where it is being fueled now is through social media. this is a handful of trolls that know how to exploit the platforms that spread these lies and misinformation. at glad we do a annual report on social media platforms and the safety for our community and all of them failed except for tick-tock and they passed with a d+. if you are a student in school i do not think that would mean much to you. the platforms are unsafe for the community and a piece of that is that they spread lies and misinformation and it makes it to mainstream media. that is absolute nonsense, that is why it is our job to tell the truth every night. thank you for joining us. we will be right back after a quick break. quick break. no other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetectable than dovato. detect this: marnina learned that most hiv pills contain 3 or 4 medicines. dovato is as effective with just 2. if you have hepatitis b, don t stop dovato without talking to your doctor. don t take dovato if you re allergic to its ingredients or taking dofetilide. this can cause serious or life-threatening side effects. if you have a rash or allergic reaction symptoms, stop dovato and get medical help right away. serious or life-threatening lactic acid buildup and liver problems can occur. tell your doctor if you have kidney or liver problems, or if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, or considering pregnancy. dovato may harm an unborn baby. most common side effects are headache, nausea, diarrhea, trouble sleeping, tiredness, and anxiety. detect this: you could stay undetectable with fewer medicines. ask your doctor about dovato. we can secure our world. watch out for offers too good to be true. that s phishing! someone s trying to take advantage of you. learn more at cisa.gov/secureourworld that s how we can secure our world! we can secure our world. don t just use a password alone. mfa sends a call, a text or a code to your phone. learn more at cisa.gov/secureourworld that s how we can secure our world! on that note, i wish you
thank you for watching. we were just talking about the summer olympics, it s worth noting, that minutes from now, we will officially be two years out from the 2026 world cup that will take place right here in the u.s. after 30 years, and you can stream all the action live on telemundo and peacock so get your countdown clock started now. on that note, i wish you a very good night. from all our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with me. okay, there is a lot going on tonight. the former president of the united states and presumptive republican nominee had a meeting with a probation officer today which is a thing we have to get used to saying. we will talk about what may have come up and how it could impact his sentencing coming up in a month. pennsylvania governor josh shapiro will talk about one of the biggest political questions of the moment. how should joe biden and democrats talk about trumps conviction and how much? we will start at the supreme court and a mountain of ethics scandal sick out much bigger and it got bigger because of a woman named lauren windsor. she is a progressive actavis was known to approach important republican figures every 10 she s an ally and make lettering statements and then record her targets making candid comments. comments reported at the historical society annual dinner, supreme court justice samuel alito offered his assessment of the political and ideological struggle in america. i don t know that we can negotiate with the left in no way that needs to happen through the polarization to end. i think it s a matter of winning . i think you re probably right. on one side or the other, one side or the other is going to win. i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of working a way of living together peacefully. it s difficult. there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised. they really can t be compromised. it s not like you can the difference. one side or the other is going to win. we heard in a vacuum by someone that those comments may not seem particularly striking but remember alito is one of nine justices on the supreme court. it is supposed to conduct itself with utmost fairness and impartiality in interpreting the constitution and adjudicating the laws and one of its justices, samuel alito, is telling a stranger at a crowded event that he believes one political side is going to win. that there is no place for compromise. following his time on the court, it s no secret which side he believes he is on. look at the past few weeks. justice alito has refused to recuse himself from a january 6 case and the trump immunity case currently sitting before the court even after reports that his home displayed flags with right-wing political symbolism including ago upside down american flag in the days after january 6. alito who built a reputation over the course of years as being tough on crime and unsympathetic to criminal defendants also voiced a newfound empathy for january 6 defendants of all people and donald trump during oral arguments in two cases. take for example the case of a january 6 defendant. alito questions the justice department use of obstruction stature to rescue people involved in the capitol attack. he suggested that if the court does not intervene, prosecutors could also seek to use it people involved in peaceful demonstration like those that take place in a courtroom from time to time. peaceful protest is clearly not the same as people smashing windows and doors to invade the capitol and causing members of congress, never mind the republican vice president of the united states to flee for their lives. in the face of multiple ethics scandals we ve all been talking about involving undisclosed is from mega-donors to members of the supreme court, the 11th hour has been unapologetic telling the wall street journal, quote, no provision in the constitution gives congress the authority to regulate the supreme court period. fairness and impartiality in appearance and action are the principles that judges are supposed to follow. especially in the highest court of the land, and at least at some point samuel alito knew the. this into an answer to his confirmation hearing in 2006. do you believe there s any room for a judge on value or personal believes when he or she interprets the constitution? judges have to be careful not to inject their own views into the interpretation of the constitution and for that matter into the interpretation of statutes. that s not the job we are given. it s not authority we are given. it s not the authority we are given. that s not the job we are given. alito at least knew then what his job he entailed. despite all his actions and statements he also apparently cannot stand those who claim he s not living up to those standards. as he told the wall street journal, everyone is free to express disagreement with our decisions and to criticize our reasoning as they see fit. saying or implying the court is becoming an legitimate institution are questioning our integrity crosses the line. he wants to be revered as an impartial judge. as this new tape and his time on the bench has shown, especially the last several weeks and months, he s more of a player, actively engaged in one side struggle to win. he has given every reason to expect this from him given these actions that also doesn t mean it s something we should or need to accept. the formal president of the naacp defense fund and the chair in civil rights a howard university and she joins me now. i always want to know what you are thinking but as i listen to these tapes, i wanted to know what are you thinking as you are listening. we are all guilty of becoming numb two things. how big of a deal is this? i think it s a big deal. it s a big deal and the cumulative cents, as you point out, this is not a colloquy that floats around in the air not surrounded by plenty of context. we have seen these statements from justice alito, not only in his decisions, but when he went to rome after the dobbs decision, we have heard him in similar ways. what is it that s disturbing about this particular excerpt of this conversation, there are two things i think. one, the way in which he was bantering back and forth with this woman who we didn t know was taping him in a way that suggested sympathy to her position. she was saying some pretty extreme things. probably the worst of it was when she said we have to work to move this country back towards godliness. he said, i agree with you. that to me is a very shocking statement. i do not think that is his charge as a supreme court justice to suggest he believes the country needs to move toward godliness. she spoke often of what it was like in the past and we need to return to some period in which things were more moral and he was agreeing with her. i do not know what period they were referring to. a period in which there was much more religious talk in american life but there was also talk of keeping black people out of schools. what was the time period? i think all of this, the reason why it s important is because the standard is a reasonable person standard and justice alito raised it himself when he refused to recuse himself from a variety of cases. he said because a reasonable person knowing all the facts, that s what he said about the flag controversy. when we probe, we realize we do not know all the facts and the facts he has told us are not necessarily the accurate facts. we learned that from the flag flying issue when justice alito gave a line that does not add up. now, the reasonable person would reasonably believe perhaps that this justice is not impartial. that is the standard for recusal, but we will never get there unless parties actual file motions to recuse. that s why i am hoping this will show the united states which is the party and trump privilege case and others that they have to have the courage to demand that these justices come forward in the context of recusal and explain themselves. we are not going to get it from sending letters to the justices and we will not get it from having the justices just recuse themselves because they will not do it. we need to get serious. we also need hearings from the senate judiciary committee to get to the bottom of this. this is quite serious. quite disturbing. quite alarming, and it s not illegitimate to question the legitimacy of the court when we have had this barrage across the line conduct and misstatements and disclosures that would call into question the impartiality of any court. yeah. one of the things it was striking to me too is how he blames the erosion of trust in the court. he blames it on all sorts of things. i was reminded of this today that he said in 2023 and then talk about it with you. it s easy to blame the media, but i do blame them because they do nothing but criticize us. and so, they have really eroded trust in the court. i mean it s pretty rich given his actions and his own words. it s not the first time he s blamed someone else. his wife, everyone attacking him. what is that about? i want to ask you, what should people be doing if they are outraged about this as well? i find this mortifying. i am embarrassed for the court. we hear it with clarence thomas when he talks about the nastiness in washington, d.c. and we hear what alito. it s the media that eroded trust in the supreme court. no, s the stream preet supreme court that eroded trust. this teenage refusal to take responsibility for their actions is incredibly alarming and disturbing. i put that at the feet of chief justice roberts. he is running the court. if i were running an institution and something extraordinary happened that like the dobbs case which is something that never happened before in the history of the court, a decision was leaked to the public. i wouldn t just be trying to get to the bottom of who leaked it. as vigorously as possible. i would want to understand what we created in our culture that encouraged such a breach of culture and protocol. all of these things should require the court to self reflect, look at themselves. why you have a justice on the court like clarence thomas who is not making the appropriate disclosures? he s making them now that he has been found out. it has nothing to do with the media. the media is doing its job. the media has been quite kind to the supreme court including around the flag issue which we didn t hear until three years later. it is not the media and the justices have to stop being stubborn teenagers and take responsibility for their actions. this is where the leadership of the chief comes in. when the chief allows a code of conduct, a voluntary code, as he allowed several months ago, a code so much weaker than the code that holds all other federal judges, he is essentially allowing and creating this culture of impunity in which they create rules that accommodate the actions they have already taken. we have a real problem, ethical problem on the supreme court. i blame us. i blame congress. we have failed. we have counted on the good behavior and the norms of the supreme court instead of putting in place real rules they have to follow and congress does have the power to be able to issue a code of ethics for the united states supreme court, and they should do so. we cannot blame this on the justices. we can t blame it on trump. we can t blame it on anything else but the belief that norms are not. they are not they are not enough and we have to get serious about what kinds of protections we need in place for the integrity of the nation s highest court. the norms are no more. lots of homework including from chief roberts. sherrilyn ifill, thank you for joining me. coming up, pennsylvania governor josh shapiro joins me to talk about terms conviction and his promises of revenge. the former president of the presumptive nominee had a meeting with his probation officer today. it doesn t get normal to say. we will tell you what he was likely asked about and how it can affect his sentencing. what is cirkul? 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i think what you probably saw, and it s only 30 minutes. it s a short interview, but you probably saw todd blanche taking the lead to trotta highlight positive aspects of donald trump s character that they think are mitigating circumstances and things they think are going to show he is dashes supervision. his criminal conduct which he denies, there s no victim here. i think the probation officer needs to look closer because her are victims. the american people were victims by not getting information that he was paying off the adult film star that could have affected the election outcome. other things he will focus on, i was a former president of the united states. i performed a great public service and should take that into account and that s mitigating. he committed some of this crime , signing those checks, to reimburse michael cohen from the oval office. you can argue it s an aggravating factor. he will say he s a first-time offender. who else is a first-time offender? michael cohen and he was sentenced in jail for the same conduct. he will point to the fact he is old. allen weisselberg is essentially the same age and he is in rikers. a lot of the factors i expect todd blanche trotta highlight in this interview and its going to be on the prosecutors to make their case separately to the probation office in presenting the facts, the trial record showing all those gag order violations, to show he is not following the court s ureters and he will not follow the orders of probation so sentence him to jail. a lot of things to argue. i mentioned one of the standard lines of questioning, i believe, during one of these meetings is whether the person convicted of a felony associates with criminals. trump has a number of people who fall into that category. i presume he will say no. i do not know what he said but what if he does associate with convicted criminals? are the repercussions? there are. if he were sentenced to a term probation, there would be terms to that. among them is he cannot associate with other convicted felons. steve bannon for example is somebody was convicted for criminal contempt and has a trial that will start in a few months before judge merchan on a separate fraud case. with someone like that, who he has not pardoned because he pardoned a number of other criminals, he has not pardoned, he would not be able to associate with and these are people that likely involved in his campaign and he would want to associate with. figure he will do that through intermediaries if he is sentenced to probation. thank you for explaining this to us and helping us understand it. donald trump is not going to be able to end democracy on his own. he will need help and lots of help is available. we will introduce you to someone who could be his chief of staff who has chilling plans. josh shapiro joins me to talk about the ways in which the rule of law will be on the ballot in 2024. ever since a jury of 12 americans convicted donald trump on 34 felony counts, trump and his republican allies used it as an opportunity to spin up their plans for revenge. you know. justifiable retribution against their perceived enemies. what s good for the goose is good for the gander. i encourage all my colleagues as a member of congress to aggressively go after the president and his family. is every house committee controlled by republicans using subpoena power in every way it needs to right now with every republican da starting every investigation they need to now? should democrats be in jail. should he lock them up in jail? would that be a terrible thing. but they want to do it. it s a terrible terrible path they are leading us to and it s possible that it will have to happen to them. so, in their description, as you heard, it s about karma. fighting fire with fire. that is the story they are telling over and over. it s the one far too many writers are running with. in the media, the story tends to be framed as follows. will trump seek revenge for his legal travails or won t he? but that framing unwittingly lets trump set the terms of the debate and applies he is vowing to do to democrats what was done to him. you see, obviously, there s a big difference between what happened to trump and what he is promising to do to democrats or anyone he is mad at. despite what he and his allies claim, trump was legitimately investigated, indicted, tried, and convicted unanimously by a jury of his peers. 12 everyday americans. there was a legal basis and evidence for all of it presented during the trial. what trump and his allies want is not that kind of deliberative due process. they are not trying to hold people accountable for actual wrongdoing. they are trying to reshape the american justice system to make it a tool to go after democrats or anyone who has done trump wrong. political prosecutions were major goal for the maga movement longer for trump got indicted or convicted. i was reminded this weekend, the washington post published a eye-popping piece on influential figure in trump eye orbit that you might not be familiar with. i had never heard of the guy he there. is a former director of the office of management and budget and his name is russ vought. according to the piece, he s a potential chief of staff in a trump term and could wield a lot of power. a self-proclaimed christian nationalist who departs at the heritage foundation project 2025 on how to remake the executive branch in a trump presidency. in september 2022, before trump got indicted or entered the presidential race, he wrote an essay saying the left dragged american 28, quote, constitutional moment saying it was time for the right to reinterpret the constitution and a radical new way. he encouraged conservatives to, quote, throw up residents and legal paradigms that have wrongly developed over the last two 200 years. in their place he laid out plans for, quote, donald trump to deploy the military to quash civil unrest, seize control over the justice department, and this is the power to withhold congressional appropriations. is just on his first day back in office. he s not calling for accountability through due process of the law to hold people accountable. he wants to reshape the system for the purpose of punishing trump s perceived enemies. last year, he told the heritage foundation crowd, quote, the department of justice is not an independent agency. if anyone brings it up in a policy meeting, i want them out of the meeting. this is the larger picture outside of the news cycle and latest public and cash republican reactions. the republican line of fight fire with fire you hear over and over again is really cover for a frightening plan to overhaul the justice system and the executive branch at large. by the way, it predates trump s convictions and indictments. it s what they ve had in mind all along. pennsylvania governor josh shapiro joins me next. switch to shopify and sell smarter at every stage of your business. take full control of your brand with your own custom store. scale faster with tools that let you manage every sale from every channel. and sell more with the best converting checkout on the planet. a lot more. take your business to the next stage when you switch to shopify. oooh! i can t wait for this family getaway! shingles doesn t care. shingles is a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. ahhh, there s nothing like a day out with friends. that s nice, but shingles doesn t care! 99% of adults 50 years or older already have the virus that causes shingles inside them, and it can reactivate at any time. a perfect day for a family outing! guess what? 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the system where every american is accountable to the same set of laws or we would we prefer where the president can prosecute whomever he chooses simply because he does not like them. the election will be about a lot of things. that is definitely one of them. joining me is pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, previously the state attorney general. i am grateful you are here. i want to start with i laid out. this idea that donald trump and his allies are bowing but they are telling supporters is simply fighting fire with fire. you did something it to our guy and we will come after you. to me, when you look at the specifics of their plans, it feels like that s not the right description. it s not just revenge but a plan to reshape the system to go after their enemies. last week you said something that struck me. you said i am scared to death the fees in charge of the system. i want to ask you what you mean by that or what do you expect, what worries you what could happen to the system? i am deeply concerned by this system. it s why we should not put the country at risk by putting donald trump back in charge, back in charge of the justice system, back in charge of our military. donald trump came out of those 34 convictions doing what he always does when he gets in legal trouble. a cut and paste job if you will. i remember this from my time as attorney general, he complains, he bemoans the fact that he lost and makes up excuses and tries to pivot away from personal responsibility. i was the attorney general in pennsylvania where he and his allies took us to court 43 different times to stop certain people from voting and stop vote from being cast. he went sero-43. we protected the will of law and the people. trump wants to come back and as he said exact revenge. the idea he would be put in charge of the justice system and have people surrounding him that are trying to get his perceived enemies should scare all americans. it s another example of the kind of chaos that he would inflict on the country if he is given the opportunity to lead this nation again. we have always been a nation that respects the rule of law, respects our institutions. trump tried to undermine our faith in one another and faith in the institutions. we didn t let him get away with it in 2020 and i hope we don t let him get away with it in 2024 and i will do everything in my power to ensure he is not successful and our institutions stand and hold. let me ask you about something you alluded to which is the takeover of the justice system. i think when people hear that, they think it s a reshuffling of the government. what does it mean? i talked about russ vought, this figure in trump s world. he could be his chief of staff. who s. this is a man who has openly said he does not believe the department of justice is an independent agency. i want to ask you, what is the danger of that? sometimes it feels like bureaucracy but it s more than that. it s a lot more than bureaucracy. it s dangerous if he controls the bureaucracy as well. think of the justice department. he would have the power to criminally prosecute people who did not do anything wrong but are his enemies. go after companies that he disagreed with. the products they are selling the manner in which they are conducting themselves. to use the justice department to strip away people s liberties and rights and freedoms and undermine the constitution. ignore the courts. essentially, have his way with the good people of this nation, which should scare everybody. in 2016 after donald trump was running, he and most people didn t know what they were doing and there were a few people around him the provided guardrails for his chaotic conduct. now those people who might provide those guardrails, they are gone and a lot of the dangers people around him know how the bureaucracy works. knows how the justice system works and knows how the military works. if he is given the opportunity to lead the nation again with this people around him who want to do real danger and take away your fundamental freedoms, that should scare the hell out of everybody and that s not the chaos we want in this country. it s the people who know how to manipulate it and the plans being written and a lot are online. keeping with the legal discussion, want to ask about the supreme court. we talked about the supreme court and justice samuel alito and this audio where he agreed there should be a fight to return the country to a place of godliness. this comes on the heels of reporting of a flag outside his house that s associated with january 6 and serious ethical scandals around thomas. lots of things. it feels like there is a credibility crisis for the supreme court. i want to ask you, what is the solution? remember, this is the court that donald trump packed in order to take away a woman s right to choose. in order to meet my daughter and other women out there have fewer rights today than they were born with. this is purposeful on donald trump s part to pack the court with these people that want to restrict our freedom. people who have their own agendas. justice alito is showing his agenda. by the way he flies his flags and apparently the way he runs his mouth as well. what the american people need to do is take that into consideration when they go vote this november. you want to give donald trump the ability to appoint more samuel alito s and clarence thomas s to the court? you want to give him the ability to put more people on the court who will take away our fundamental freedoms? justice thomas wrote in that opinion that abortion is really just the beginning. the fundamental reasoning, foundational reasoning used to overturn it could be applied in other ways. could be used to restrict your ability to marry who you love and undermine her ability to take the medications that you and your doctor want you to take. i fear this was just the beginning and of donald trump is given the ability to lead this nation again, but more those justices on the court, it will not only set us back for 40 years. the stakes are so high in this election. while donald trump and joe biden s names are on the ballot, and it s a binary choice. don t let anybody tell you there are others on the ballot who have no chance of winning. it s a binary choice between donald trump and joe biden, but in many ways it s not about those two. it s about the country we want for ourselves whether we value freedom, whether we care about our institutions, whether we believe that we have to move forward to brighter days are go back to a very dark time. this election is a referendum and reflection on all of us and we have a responsibility to turn out and get others to turn out who will stand up against the kind of extremism we ve seen on the supreme court and in the white house with trump and instead stand up for freedom. stand up for our fundamental values that continue to move the country forward. i have to ask you about pennsylvania. in addition to a legal expert, you are a governor and you know your state well. it has not been that long since these convictions stash we have seen impact in the polls. there s a lot of things on the ballot and on voters minds. is you talk to voters, do you think trump s convictions is going to be an issue that will influence people to are on the fence or have it come to joe biden at this point in your state? i don t know how the conviction will ultimately play out. the good people of pennsylvania, they care whether in rural or urban or suburban communities about basic things. they want good schools. safe communities. economic opportunities and they want their freedoms to be protected. you know what? i think they want to be led by someone who is honest and decent. someone who is on their side like joe biden. all they hear from donald trump is a bunch of whining about this country. i think trump has to quit whining and trying to divide us. we are producing more energy than ever before in this nation. we have the strongest economy in the world, and we are beating china for the first time in decades. more people went to work this morning in america than at any other time in the nation my ski history. i ve got a message to donald trump and his negativity and whining, stop talking about america. it s the greatest country on earth and it s time we start acting like it. the good people of pennsylvania understand this is a great country. understand we ve got a whole lot going for us, and it s time to continue this path of progress that joe biden has laid out and not go back to a negative time. not listen to the whining of the former president and instead focus on a positive future for all of us. quit your whining. that s a good message. thank you so much. i always enjoy talking to you. big story to tell. i take once-daily jardiance at each day s staaart. as time went on it was easy to seeee, i m lowering my a1c! jardiance works twenty-four seven in your body to flush out some sugar. and for adults with type 2 diabetes and known heart disease, jardiance can lower the risk of cardiovascular death, too. serious side effects may include ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration that can lead to sudden worsening of kidney function, and genital yeast or urinary tract infections. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking jardiance and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, ketoacidosis, or an allergic reaction. you may have an increased risk for lower limb loss. call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of infection in your legs or feet. taking jardiance with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. jardiance is really swell the little pill with a big story to tell! we don t know how many americans will be moved by donald trump s conviction when it s all said and done. there are some early signs that the verdict be swaying some former trump voters. this is what we heard from two time trump voters in a focus group. criminals should not be in charge. if they violate the laws, then they should be subject to exactly the same rose that all of us expected to abide to. he should serve jail time. penalty for the crime. they will negotiate and renegotiate and maybe he won t serve time, but he will get more time on television right here at election time. to underscore, that s two time trump voters saying lock him up. you just saw sarah, she conducted the focus group you just heard. dan is a former communications director for president barack obama. i want to start with the thing stash we only played one clip but that was from the two time trump voters who want trump held accountable it sounds like. the big leap year is they want him to be held accountable but are they turned off by trump or will they vote for biden instead or do we know that yet? in this particular group, five of the nine people in the group all of them two time trump voters, five were going to vote for biden. i think there s a lot of people who think somebody who voted for donald trump twice seem like a long shot for getting them to vote for biden. it s important to understand that for a section of voters who held their nose and vote for donald trump twice, and then saw what happened on january 6, saw donald trump s claims and lies about the election, they were already that was a redline for them. they were pretty far out. what the conviction does is it moves them from, and i hear this a lot from two time trump voters who are really upset by january 6, i m not going to vote or i will leave it blank. for some voters with the conviction did as he got them to a place where they said this guy is unfit to be in the white house so i will vote for biden not because i want to vote for him or because i want to vote for a democrat because i will vote for anybody that will keep donald trump out of the white house because he is that dangerous. you are always in the selection especially with swing voters who are center-right, for them you re not building a pro joe biden coalition. you re building a anti-trump coalition. as trump gets back in people s consciousness which is a lot of what s happening with the conviction, people are remembering, i don t like that guy. you are seeing a shift in voters before they were focused on negative things they thought about biden and now they are remembering the negative things they do not like about trump. it so interesting to watch her focus groups. dan, you and i know well there s big moments in campaigns. we have seen the campaign sharpening the rhetoric around the convictions. there s a difference between what the campaign says, and what the candidates say. when you look to the debate coming up, a couple weeks from now, what should the president be saying? he is trying to appeal to those voters and base voters who are not excited. what is the right framing of language? the conviction is the elephant in the room. you have to talk about it. calling him convicted felon as many times as possible and trying to win again points. that s not a good use. the conviction is a critical data point in the story that a lot of the polling and focus groups tell us we should be telling about trump which is he is in this for himself. he is running for office to protect himself from further legal jeopardy and help himself and his rich friends and exact revenge on enemies. that me first attitude is what got him in trouble to begin with. you have to take this conviction, it caused people to break out of their anti- politics bubble for a few minutes and pay attention then tell it to use to talk the broader story. use it in a disciplined, calm way that does not allow trump to drag you when the mud. that makes sense to me. sarah, i want to ask a similar question. there s a couple different audiences biden has to appeal to. is there anything that the president could say during the debate about the convictions that would turn them off? anything that would be a trigger about it? when it comes to swing voters, the thing for biden is not the message. it s how he says it. for them, they want to see joe biden can do this job. you have to get people over this hump that they think joe biden is too old. this is where trump wins often times. he has lunatic energy that makes him seem more the fishes, more aggressive, and sometimes when you listen to voters as they get into the strong weak framing where trump is bad and strong but biden is okay but weak. he has to show some strength. he cannot just say conviction over and over but he has to go on offense. the whole campaign right now has to go on offense. we are in the moment to push. we have to stop talking about democracy being at stake and the campaign has to campaign like democracy is at stake. joe biden has to show he is ready to go. it s not the name-calling of convicted felon but able to say this man is unfit and i am good to go. you ve got to show that and not just tell it. state of the union energy. it s about the vibes i am hearing. i want to ask about your sub stack encouraging people not to be stressed. everyone should subscribe to it. it. hi, i m amanda and i lost 37 pounds with golo. so i m a hair stylist and i m on my feet all of the time. with golo i have more energy. i m able to work and stand on my feet 10 hours a day and to me golo means a happier life a more successful life. a slow network is no network for business. that s why more choose comcast business. and now, we re introducing ultimate speed for business our fastest plans yet. we re up to 12 times faster than verizon, at&t, and t-mobile. and existing customers could even get up to triple the speeds. at no additional cost. it s ultimate speed for ultimate business. don t miss out on our fastest speed plans yet! switch to comcast business and get started for $49.99 a month. plus, ask how to get up to an $800 prepaid card. call today! with absorbine pro, pain won t hold you back from your passions. it s the only solution with two max-strength anesthetics to deliver the strongest numbing pain relief available. so, do your thing like a pro, pain-free. absorbine pro. that does it for me tonight. tonight. much appreciated. thanks to you at home. really happy to have you here. we have an interesting show for you tonight. particularly glad you re here for it. we re going to start a ways back as we sometimes do. when allied soldiers came ashore on the coast of france on the beaches of normandy for the d-day invasion, they opened up a new west
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[ cheering and applause ] trace: good evening emma trace gallagher, it s alone pm on the east coast, 8:00 in los angeles and this is a mega slate news, fox news @ night . breaking side, dramatic new media of the heroic military operation in gaza that rescued four s early hostages from a palestinian terrorist, eric cohen is here to give us a step-by-step of what happened but the media somehow condemning israel for saving its own citizens, and then and there is this. this is about what i will personally label, the idiocy of team usa women s basketball. how dare you make this decision? it is stupid. trace: national controversy after caitlin clark was left off of the 2024 olympic women s basketball team, should she have made team usa? it is eight the nightcap we need to input on. what happens when your employer forces you to embrace a progressive symbol that goes against your religious beliefs? when california christian lifeguard is suing the la county fire department, he would join us live on set with his protest. we begin with tall tales being called out. a lengthy fact check of the false stories and joe biden has told stroud his 50 years of public service, except the times goes to great lengths to call him everything but lies. kevin corke is live and in dc with more, good evening. tall tales indeed, good evening. he would never expect the left-leaning new york times to call it president biden but am doing is so, a pattern is now beginning to emerge with more and more usually reliable media outlets willing to point out mr, his attention for telling lies or as a times puts it, tall tales had an understanding mind you that any misstatements or statistical or factual errors from former president trump, those were lies but these are tall tales? nonetheless, of the times is keeping the score and mr. biden is openly racking up. for example,, he said he was nominated for an appointment to the naval academy, not so. no records of that. he also said he is to drive an 18 wheeler, he drove a school bus and he took a 500-mile trip as a senator, a cargo truck. he leaders that he was arrested during the civil rights movement, no record of that. but he did deliver the eulogy for former west virginia senator who had one point in his life had been an organizer and member of the kkk. biden also claims to be the first and his family to go to college and the nephew of a cannibalism victim. report in while she wrote of this, all of these claims stretching the truth or are downright false. she also edited by an often drastic, with different audiences through hyperbole. saying mr. biden s approval ratings have plummeted not the lowest level lever according to nati silvers 538, biden sitting at 37.4 percent just under five months to go before the american people decide about every election day. trace: low number, kevin corke live before us in bc. thank you. [ ] the fox news and add commonsense department has a question for the new york times got comic how much how come donald trump tells thais and joe bondy tells tall tales, hyperboles, exaggerations? it s funny because common sense is pretty in two and with the media and could swear that joe biden lies all the time, constantly, consistently. but for some reason in the liberal media, biden speaks only the truth. the new york times says that biden often tries connecting with his audience through hyperbole . we also told at times biden uses rhetorical flourishes back factual liberty . common sense is confused, is the uncle who was eaten by cannibals a rhetorical flourish or a factual liberty? how about a biden driving the big rig, being the first and his family to attend college, graduating at the top of his class? what about the phony laptop, never talking business with his son? the media will tell you it is not a lie, it is unverified, when that joe biden is just stretching to. mark twain said there are three types of lies, lies, it damn lies and statistics, clearly referencing to trump. sense think biden would know kinda joe would not tell a damn lie, he would simply stretch and embellish a rhetorical flourishing, factual liberty. and with that let s bring in a steamboat institute fellow kaylee mcghee white and princeton university put it was scientists, lauren a. wright. thank you both were coming on. kaylen to you for his, is the new york times kidding with this, this the torah goal flourish? others layers of the leaders of hypocrisy within this new york times report. firstly attempt to suggest that biden s lies is somehow less egregious than trump s plea because trump was making false claims about a so-called stolen election when the reality is, there are plenty of democrats have also made similar lies who have not wound up with lengthy new york times fact checks. also hypocritical fact that these lies that biden has told which are very numerous as you have pointed out in your segment , it s been around for decades to maggot they were around into the 2020 election. suddenly the new york times is just deciding to do fact check on them? the only difference to me it seems is that joe biden is no longer a good candidate for the democratic party. he is losing in the polls to trump when he wasn t back in 2020 and at the media is trying to turn on him. trace: mate taking a much closer look, a pole from care television out of minnesota, this is about how enthusiastic the candidate are they. look at the numbers, you have trump at 61.5 percent and biden added 30.9 percent. that is double the number. there s something going on here because we are constantly told the country doesn t like either of these candidates but clearly somebody does. to caleigh s point, the sad thing for democrats is biden is the best they ve got. harris is not electable, and he beat her fair and square along with the rest of the candidates in the democratic primary. yes, he stories are egregious. those are not the issues that will lead biden and the election on average, americans are angry and they feel less safe, last free, less prosperous than they did under trump. simple calculation they are making, yes at the age is an issue and it new york times and others are right to pointed out but but it s not at the top of welders minds. trace: this is from dana white, of the ceo of ufc, he said this about donald trump, watch. number 1, take any of the greatest fighters of all time, trump is number 1. you ve got money, you got a great life, you got whatever, keep doing it. this guy loves this country and he loves all americans. trace: talked a lot of americans, a lot of the straw he sat through day by day a mark a lot of them say yes, he is a fighter. you can say whatever you want but he is a fighter stone and that s a calculation voters have made, maybe if they don t like trump personally the appreciate the fact he is willing to go to bat for them. i think my own family members, who normally would vote democrats but they feel left behind by biden s democratic party. and trump was the only one willing to fight for the issues they care about. trace: canadians at colleges and conservative media commentator jordan peterson art of the animosity towards trump and the leaders, trumped arrangement. final thoughts on this. that degree upon musty or trumpet is somewhat of a mystery to me. i cannot quite crack it. there is a class paid their albot say. elitist people are annoyed that somebody like donald trump or somebody who they think donald trump is has dared to enter the upper echelons so there s something about it that is very classist. trace: something makes them hate him, but not sure why. 30 seconds. there is an elite coastal factor at play here, road about how trump came into the election with 95 percent name recognition but everybody was absolute shock t1. a beloved celebrity, and that s as simple as it gets. i think the real embarrassment, misunderstanding with trump is that you says all of these offensive things, but they care more by the cable what you promises to do and i will be the end of it. trace: i think that is right. lauren, caleigh, thank you both. meantime fog scammers are a document in large groups of migrants illegally crossing into the u.s. as a biden s executive order on to the border appears to have little effect on the continuing a surge marianne rafferty live without story, joins as on-site guy good evening. no signs of slowing down, migrants continued to pour over the border in a drones leg before the executive order. with many saying that they flew into mexico and made their way to the border, some even consulting the internet to find guides. one migrants tolling as they feel welcomed by the biden administration. what you think of president biden? biden, a love biden. biden help us. an internal border patrol memo instructing san diego sector to release single adults from all but six countries in the eastern hemisphere, center and asked my said it s all part of the democrats plan. you don t have to be a citizen to go to the census that step one, and if they go to the embassy to vote, that is when they leave that s her road to more power and control. saying it s all about mike and safety, listen. our intent is to really change the risk calculus of individuals before they leave before the countries of origin and incentivize of them to use the lawful pathways who made available to them and keep them out of the hands of expletive smugglers. a senior patrol officer telling this newly uncovered memo only applies to the san diego sector and migrants released into the u.s. under its guidance are not actually eligible for asylum. trace: thank you tackles bring into the author of come on man, joe concha along with the federal staff contributor, evita duffy-alfonso. thank you both were coming on. i want to play this out, this is cbs face the nation, catches kind of stunned that americans [ inaudible ] would you support a new government program, that would deport all people in the u.s. illegally and that finds majority favor, six in 10. to unpack that a bit, 62 percent of americans in favor of deporting all undocumented immigrants. what mr. trump talks about could be illegal, it doesn t seem practical in some sense to round up children. what exactly do people think they are supporting? trace: i think they are exactly supporting the law of the countries, you? trays, market brandon is not unlike almost every other member of the media, to answer your question, yes, it s all about enforcing simple laws. it s a matter of journalists living in the safe spaces marianne rafferty ivory towers, new york, washington, not talking to anybody outside of their own ecosystem. here are the facts, majority of americans support a border wall construction. two thirds of that cbs poker nearly two thirds support mass deportation for those who entered the country illegally. illegal immigration as you know is a number 1 number 2 issue. for what is most important to voters marianne rafferty, and somehow shocked by this kiger shows how out of touch leads in the media are, not just on immigration but inflation, because neither impacts him the way he does the average voter. trace: here is as cnn legal analysts who thinks hundred biden, maybe he imagined when he thought he was clean. a jury could also say wait way to second prosecutors, needed not say are establish this individual used or possessed these drugs it during the october 2018, warned that the defendant knowingly did so. he may have thought he was cleaning, that he was fixing his life up and so on. trace: is a scripted? do you your thoughts? and they are doing the job of his defense team, working for the hunter biden defense team packets shock and. also using this from media right now, that he is an addict, we need to be compassionate towards him because other americans struggle with us. and it falls on deaf ears, somebody who has an addiction and my own family, that does not mean he have a free pass. this is what is interesting, we have preached by these individuals into the corporate media that the monkey have to be compassionate, rally against white privilege, nabo baby white privilege hundred biden comes in and break the law all of a sudden we have to break all the rules. and these are democrat laws. trace: i want to move through these two things quickly, in bc but this headline of, is really military rescues for hostages, more than 400 plus trains killed, then york times and the associated press have been saying the same stuff. unbelievable, you know, you thoughts? gaza health officials literally is hamas. you cannot take them at their word. did throughout 200 people, five minutes after something happens and in the new york times, almost every other media outlet echoes that. it s utterly ridiculous, we have lived with us since october 7th they continue to do it and where are the only network calling it out. i guess it s not enough? trace: the new york post, gaza journalist who wrote for al jazeera was holding three hostages in home with family. israel says, a journalist, for al jazeera, holding hostages. i mean the media has been discrediting itself over and over again, when it comes to any other story we see important in our country. the format, the russia collusion hoax, just discrediting themselves over and over again. trace: over and over again, thank you both. mean audrey to liberations underweight for hunter biden s gun track the defense closed its case without calling the president sent to the stand, live with more in willington, delaware, good evening. good evening, this trial of elite moving rapidly, only a week old, jurors will come back tomorrow and o clock eastern time after deliberating for about one hour before going home. evita duffy-alfonso hunter biden had a lot of family members inside of the courts today showing him support. he seemed upbeat, smiling, giving them xoxox as there were breaks in the courtroom which is significant. jurors have to decide whether hunter biden lied on the gun form in 2018 when he said he was not addicted to drugs, they say that he committed three different felonies, two of those felonies where it falls a statement, one deals with possession of that gun in 2018. now the government does not have to prove that hunter was on drugs and he bought a gun or even into the month of tobit. jurors have to weigh the general time period, prosecution showed text messages, hunter biden it texting his sister-in-law, talking about doing drugs, the lawyer for the government jurors told not to focus on the presence of famous people, meaning the first lady and others who have continuously showed up. it isn t wanted jurors to be distracted, wants them to focus on the actual evidence marianne rafferty hunters and attorney power did to the gun form that says are you on unlawful user or addicted to illegal drugs, it is and say have you ever been, it s about hunters a frame of mind is what i below says. again it jurors back tomorrow, if convicted hunter could face up and i say could, up to 25 years behind bars marianne rafferty is also possible the jury could have a split verdict, fighting him guilty on one and acquit him on two others. trace: see you tomorrow night. live it for as in delaware. let s bring in former deputy assistant attorney general john yoo, great to have a. hunter biden s attorney as david was saying, biden did not consider himself an addict when you bought a gun. it s not what he said, but what do you think? it is not a plausible defense. i don t think it s going to work. i think really the defense is hope is that the jury being in delaware just chooses not to follow the law, not to find the clear facts. and went to the defense put on to this idea that oh, hunter biden might have used drugs a few weeks before, maybe a few weeks after but not in that timeframe, it opened the door for the prosecution to introduce all of these tax and all of this geolocation data about where hunter biden was and his cell phone and he is texting a trying to find drug dealers at the 711 in wilmington. it s just the day before when the day after. so turned out to be very harmful to his case. i don t really see a defense that is going to work here. to really puzzling why the ever went to trial the first place. trace: try to find a guy named mookie, does he do jail time, hunter biden? no, he is looking at some come to thank he does jail time? i don t think so. may have to look at it this way, i think many people are thinking about it this, this is a prelude to the much more serious cage which is going to take place where you are in la, i think it wasn t rescheduled in september about millions of dollars in tax evasion. so here, hunter biden first-time offender, be he probably won t do jail time but he maybe a convicted felon. that means you have to serve jail if he s convicted in the second federal trial in september. trace: i have to go but here s the thing, in the drum document case today, breaking news, judge jeanine denied a motion to dismiss some charges but the new york times reports of fallen, of the government must remove it from its charges an episode in which mr. trump has been shown a highly sensitive military map to one of his close aides after he left office, of the decision by judge or was it more of a swipe at prosecutors working for special counsel. jack smith. what do you think? this is favorable for donald trump, there was no way they were going to wind of the motion on dismissing the case entirely, the prosecution can still go forward. but that was one of them more damaging facts in the indictment, and is key to them showing that the national interest was harmed in some way by president trump if he ask you had these documents, these classified documents in an unauthorized away. will make it harder for the prosecution to run its case there. trace: i think so. john yoo, going to have you on. coming up, dramatic video shows the moment is really hostages are recovered in a daring rescue? it is a video you have not seen, even if he had, we will have a eric cole and go through this and give you an idea what is happening. later in the the nightcap i get that woman s olympics committed to decision to leave caitlin clark off of the 2024 rosters sparking national debate with many calling the move eight snob, and mist opportunity to grow the game. caitlin clark does not deserve a spot ahead of any of the players on this roster. okay? we re talking basketball! you know were not! no, we are not. 4000 in attendance, now 18,000. this girl s box office. trace: meantime others point out at the olympics is not a popularity contest and she is simply not qualified yet as other woman who made the team, we want to know what you think, should caitlin clark have made team usa, why, why not, lead as snow @tracegallagher, coming up snow @tracegallagher, coming up in the the nightcap negative 80 have to see, that is next. at makes it possible is unmatched connectivity and 5g solutions from t-mobile for business. t-mobile connects 100,000 delta airlines employees, powers tractor supply s stores nationwide with reliable 5g business internet, and partners with pga of america on game changing innovation. this is how business goes further with t-mobile for business. arthritis pain? we say not today. tylenol 8 hour arthritis pain has two layers of relief. the first is fast, the second is long-lasting. we give you your day back, so you can give it everything. tylenol. number one doctor recommended for arthritis pain. [ ] trace: dramatic new vader tate of the rescue operation in gaza there in file that is really hostages their freedom, ashley strohmier with the details in the compelling images of the mission. good evening to. located the footage was captured of the helmet camera warned by an israeli operate of during the rescue mission, the video revealed just how dangerous it was to get out of the hostages from the hands of how w.a.s.p members of israel s yemen, in the operation unit it worked along the israel defense forces taking on heavy fire during the operation. now four more israelis have been reunited with their families after nearly 250 days in captivity. one parent of an israeli megan hostage who remains in captivity said about the return of noah. know saturday was the birthday of noah s data, also my birthday. is and as i heard the news is that he got the greatest gift in the world, distal a few few hours for me to get to get the same gift. hopefully soon. there s also been criticism from media outlets about the mission which resulted in the death of more than 270 palestinians according to the gaza health ministry. it is important to note that the ministry does not distinguish between civilians and hamas fighters and their data is often met with skepticism. was it today the united nations acadie council paused president biden s proposed cease-fire dale it has been approved by israel, hamas has yet to sign on. trace: thank you. let s bring in a veteran of azo special operations counterterrorism unit of aaron cohen out of the start of netflix skin it decision before and after pro- israeli activist dr. sheila nazarian, rabbi mentz and former navy seal who trained with the idea special forces, aaron ut you first, want to put this video up and go over this. give us an idea of what is going on here and how difficult was this mission? let me start off by saying that all of the intelligence that was harvested for this operation was do you to, and again in hebrew we have an expression, which means intelligence is born in the battlefield that s number 1. for the last eight months israel has been putting an incredible amount of pressure on hamas and that rolling intelligence based on blood pressure, s are competing we have discussed is the reason why this was actionable intelligence. what you re seeing here, is 18 or one asset working in conjunction with israel s domestic intelligence and security forces, and they are making forced entry into the structure from 360 degrees. useful as one of the only units in the world capable of doing that, they are literally the operators are flogging each other, crossing each other, the reason why is 360-degree assault overwhelms the tier risk, they can only point in one direction at a time when it is multiple barrels coming out of them of the violence of action and they attack, having the shots go straighter. these are behavioral-based tactics and the seventies israel team with their scientists and reformulated see qb which is what is this is, to be able to shoot straight or, should faster and get hostages home. trace: phenomenal. hamilton over to you, you can put the video back up, the washington post opinion, hamas is not interested in releasing hostages based on history the only way any additional is really hostages is getting freed is by rescue operations like the one the israeli defense forces launched on saturday. cameron diaz thank it is true that we can see more rescues like this, that we will need to see more rescue like this? absolutely. i think right now israel likely has the intelligence to garner more rescue missions, s sole purpose is to return the hostages safely and soundly and they continue the war against hamas. again we had to remind our viewers israel did not ask for this conflict, israel did not want this conflict. and want any unnecessary loss of life but hamas must come and release these hostages first and foremost. s will is taking tactics as covered by mr. aaron cohen had remarkable, trained a lot of u.s. military personnel as well. i think the dynamic scenario in the chaos is due to surprise of the hamas fighters when israeli forces encountered them in this building the. trace: amazing, it is. what you think of the biden administration negotiating could almost directly may be through qatar but almost directly with hamas? i think it is a waste of time, i think what you re seeing it here with this operation, whether or not hamas wants to give the back of the hostages or they would get of them back either way they are coming home. that is what i think. whether we got a kick down doors. by the way the operatives deployed on this operation, in his civilian clothing, dressed as local arabs, they pulled it off in broad daylight and the reason they were able to do that is because the element of surprise. i say to biden and his team, israel, we re getting back our people either way. trace: foxnews.com writes the following, at bbc anchor as exhibit israel forces worn palestinians ahead of the hostage rescue mission, i cannot imagine asking that question. it s a military operation that clearly took months to pull off and you gonna give notification? at the basic prerogative here is surprise and balance of action. if they lose the element of surprise whenever you engage in hostage rescue missions when he notified the assailants of what you are objectives, i think of israel were to engage in further conflict here and rescue more hostages it would be a categorical global skate mistake to modify how w.a.s.p you re potentially garnering a scenario will hamas will target and/or harm is really civilians for what? for the ultimate purpose of withdrawing israeli military, or engaging in bartered and shipped for further peace. we all want peace with it has to start with returning to the hostages, israel has to pull off what s necessary to return them home. trace: we said they would move all these college campuses and they have, they have surround the white house and called for a intifada revolution. here s some more video of these protesters, anti- israel pro- palestinian, very anti- just watch. [ bleep ]. trace: thoughts? listen, as an iranian, first-generation to america, we have been trying to warn the americans, america s next. americas now. and we are seeing it into these protests, weather defacing thinks calculated disrespecting america, they are just calling it out afford the killing of zionist, killing of jews out loud at this point. what is and how to take for americans to wake up? trace: rabbi mentz, he wrote let s not be distracted, how we know idea have could put all the hostages home wants ago and it would of the census murders of innocent palestinian children but we know their true motivation. it s kind of ironic, the jewish people have been we re about to salivate on wednesday, 3666 years since god came down and gave us the 10 commandments? thou shout not kill, thou shalt not murder. we the jewish nation never wanted to get into this war and if we were not hampered we would have done this in six days. the world has put handcuffs on israel and they allowed this is civilians not to leave to go to egypt. trace: camera here is in michigan giving a from the posting in his speech and she still gets heckled, watch. it we mourn all of the innocent lives that have been lost in gaza, including those tragically killed today. for the past eight months, president biden and i have been working every day to bring this conflict i m speaking right now. i value and respect you voice but i m speaking right now. trace: the keep trying to ruin of these far left radicals and yet they are not going to, your thoughts? my thoughts as the innocent palestinians tell us where the rest of the hostages are, come out now. trays, if i knew my next-door neighbors had kidnapped people and i don t come out and speak about it, my innocent? like to all of the innocent palestinians, come out and tell us where the hostages are, show us your innocence. to kamala harris, you cannot play both sides. they are failing. kamala harris, he built the sub, you allowed them to speak, gave them free speech and now, you got a problem with it? [ laughter ] welcome to it free speech is from your party. trace: 10 seconds, aaron cohen? israel pulled out a doozy, that was a magic trick i was talking but eight months ago, they got the pressure on hamas for the past 8 miles, there s a reason why know what home in three hostages are home. trace: dr. sheila nazarian, is aaron cohen, photomac, speeding. a life guard came under fire after refusing to fly a part of flag in his workstation and what happened after that? common sense, captain jeffrey little joins his life. a live earth camera looking at north carolina, nicknamed the land of the sky. who knew? we re coming right back. [ ] trace: in a small victory for religious freedom, los angeles county has graded a christian lifeguard a partial exemption from flying a progress pride of flag in his workspace. let s bring in captain jeffrey little and his attorney, special counsel paul jonna. a thank you both were coming on. captain to you first, you were granted an exemption and then they revoked it and they ve given it back to you, you have to be thinking you don t trust these people? absolutely. this process all began last year, and i requested an exemption to not have to fly the pride flag and be responsible for supervising. trace: what you tell them, digitally listened this is the way i believe, what was your reasoning? i m a christian, and being a christian i want to honor god and will honor the bible and doing this action and endorsement, religious convictions i have, bringing this in the workplace. trace: paul jonna to you now, you don t have to abandon your phrase because you re working a job, right? soon obsolete not, the first amendment protects employees in the situation, a government employer like the county must accompany accommodate religious as it has birdiemac this is somebody without religious objection fly the flag but instead they are doubling down on a position in there forcing us to litigate of this issue. trace: part of the problem is, that you are, you don t have to raise a flag but he still have to tell some deals to do that. that is not a true remedy? correct, having to compel a subordinate and having to supervise the operation of that part like being raised, to me that does not honor god and it is really living a lie, continuing to do that. trace: i know this has been said to you many times but the whole idea of people saying while, it has nothing to do with you not wanting to rescue somebody who is gay. it has zero to do with that at all, and that s not even part of the case be when it s a complete diversion, i have been doing this for 22 years and had excellent feedback and hundreds of people saying, my job is to protect the public. and i will continue to do that for the rest of my career. trace: why do we have to legally force people to adopt somebody else s celebration which is against their faith? i don t get the reason for that. of the u.s. supreme court has held that a public school cannot require students to salute the american flag, government employees cannot require employers to salute the making of like what the county of los angeles is choosing to dictate its employees have to raise a progress part of flag which they owned document say promotes messages about his beard and magic, it s very controversial thing. and forcing religious man, a man of faith to do this is unconstitutional. trace: what you think about this, when they revoked it, did you think what are you doing? and how do you think this battle is going to go on for a while, or is it something you think could be fixed quick? it s a simple fix, it s a simple ask. but it seems as though my employer has not shown good faith and honoring the beliefs of people with faith. trace: what do you say? are you confident that you are going to go to the outcome you are fighting for? our small team has had nonconsecutive ones against the state of california, get a longer fight with the county in the past which resulted in them paying attorney fees marianne rafferty they dig their heels and co. push the envelope as far as they can, ultimately they lose these cases and were quite confident they will hereto. trace: captain, paul jonna, thank you for coming in. best of luck to you. i would rather watch grass grow, i would rather watch paint dry, i would rather watch it dirt be moved around because caitlin clark is on the team. you people, whoever did this, honestly, take your brain, put it in a museum and is studied for how dumb you are. trace: founder of sports bay, he is not the only one with a heck of a lot disabled of the decision to keep caitlin clark off of the woman s olympic basketball team roster. what do you think? was it a sound judgement or a complete an otter s now? let us know on x. and instagram, we will read your responses, @tracegallagher, coming up in the the nightcap . 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thanks for watching fox news saturday night with jimmy failla. set your dvr to 10:00 p.m. eastern every saturday on fox news and don t forget on social media and i everybody calm down to her, hey girl. parks across america.com and listen to my radio show weekdays noon to 3:00 p.m. good night from new york city. it can be they republican, you can be a democrat, just don t be a [bleep]. there is. joey jones and charlie hurt, welcome to the big weekend show . the big boy tonight, calm, circumstance and politics for president biden in paris, biden telling the world that climate change is the only existential crisis to humanity. then claims is the son of the american revolution. what has correspondent peter doocy with the president tonight in paris. where the sun is setting what president biden is trying to say, he thinks putin could move further into alluding to the fact that a different dictator did that here in france, not that long ago. i meant france for the leadership as well. over 107 billion dollars in ukraine since the war began because you know what happened. there is a greater that can t be battled with standing armies or drones. the president said during a brief statement, it s climate change directly work together for peace and stability like good security and counterterrorism. that threat of climate change growing later working together to accelerate to net zero. only existential threat to humanity including nuclear weapons is that we do nothing on climate change. i could go on. president biden and first lady attended equity stake dinner a palace denver nuggets. tomorrow morning they will light a refund world war i memorial before jetting off to delaware. with us. thanks guys, gorgeous. what you think, existential threat of climate change is the only word? if you go with the horror movie and make climate change the only existential threat, you need to. the problem is he s making his mixing it with others like vladimir putin and. nuclear war. maybe i misread this but the way i heard him and who knows what he s saying ever but i thought he said including nuclear weapons, climate change is still the only existential threat which raises the question like thank god this guy isn t in charge of protecting the united states from auto, nuclear war. it does seem to be the same he focuses on regularly climate change in general so he s fitting it into a broader message about democracy and ukraine and the things the man was a what is important to president joe biden, climate change, he thinks it s an exit central threats to democracy it s funny, he said we know what happens if putin succeeds and he didn t say this because of where he was in the 80th anniversary don t want to talk about the campaign but media has, we know what happens of donald trump wins the election. there is this constant comparison by many on the left that trump is just like putin, i ll go further, the clinton said it hitler and that is the scare tactic they are trying to say. he must vote blue because of the don t, you will see what happens. there will be no more democracy and three branches of governm government. president biden does seem to get out there and enjoy telling a good story once in a while and me but genealogist to work with this one. one thing that s been election to my family is my middle name. allegedly i ve been told i my grandfather not going to get, maybe someone could help me, i am a son of the american revolution because he came over with lafayette and never went home. stayed in the united states it makes me a son of the american revolution the middle of the story, the french pronunciations he worked in, i love it. what you think, are you a son of the american revolution? i am a son of a penal colony so my ancestors were indebted came in for hard labor. [laughter] he pronounced his own name two different ways that. i can t get over that, is it robin a, robinette he s inferring whoever that is, was french so he s been irish, he s been italian, he s been mexican and puerto rican, he s been some version of african-american and now french. he is the baskin-robbins of presidents, we love him. [laughter] this is not something we should even concern ourselves with. it s not what you hope they can, is just no concern, he s lied his way all the way to the top of our government we obviously as a voting demographic except these lies. we let someone you play dress and lie about important things like how his family was killed in a car wreck and let him lie about his son and everything. let him lie about being french, do you want to be french? i want to be french. fine, go ahead at least get the right country though. i was impressed he dropped the french pronunciation in french, that s a step in the right direction. i think it was coincidental. [laughter] he corrected himself a few moments later. he touched we touched on this a few moments ago, the subject of democracy must make sure you are worried about democracy, take a listen. they understood democracy as democracy. here we prove i guess of our democracy when democracy is at risk across the world in world war ii, we defend democracy. it s never guaranteed. talk about democracy. american democracy. american democracy democracy. democracy. political calling it a wake up call to americans but it seems fear mongering may not be working. this is in newport beach, california, hundreds of trump supporters lined the streets as a former president) fundraiser. this crowd, liberal californ california [chanting] two days ago in san francisco trump raised $12 million at the silicon valley fundraiser. my house was sold out and by the way, the protesters outside, those were broke trump demonstrators. the number of people who were protesting against trump, there s maybe a couple dozen versus hundreds who are broke trump so even on the streets, a tremendous enthusiasm gap and that s what s happening in the broke san francisco, what does that tell you throw the country? so much money in politics is mind blowing and this is postconviction. it is liberal campuses. 85% of san francisco voted for president biden in 2020. i thought the number would have been higher. if you are republican in san francisco or even california for the most part, you re in witness protection. now you have, for years later, broke trump rally outside and the man who endorsed donald trump, venture capitalist, a popular podcast, he represents ingenuity and what we are seeing from the biden tc, biden d.o.j. is trying to strangle american innovation and what we do with artificial intelligence and etc. they don t like that. the law like but now that they are hosting a dinner for the president, former president and having supporters outside, it is mind blowing. there s this headline, it may mark the end of an american era. this cnn, no time since june 6, 1944 has the unshakable u.s. leadership of the west and support for international values has been so in question, democracy facing stern tests generations from far right populism. i think if you believe in i don t know what that person means but internationalist world order but if you believe in america first like donald trump thus, you believe in a strong concerned about american interests first that includes having a strong hand abroad. what it does mean is launching in two unnecessary wars or allowing unnecessary wars to happen and what we have seen president biden is supposed to be the world s greatest expert on foreign policy, we seen two wars start in the world because of his inability to govern and in america first agenda so i think it s all politics and you re right, the idea that joe biden is talking about concern for democracy is the party in america, democrats are trying to jail their primary opponent, nuts. final thoughts as we are talking about joe biden s perception of this threat to democracy. i guess, want to impeach someone twice and now convicted or found them guilty in several criminal court, more popular than they ever are, he speaks to what people are thinking at home. after january 6, trump didn t really hand them talking people casually observe politics, turned off by january 6 and have trump handled it, i can say that objectively. i was turned off, i thought it was ugly. now you fast-forward and they have this football they can run with and they spike it on third down. they don t use it, to go into this law fair and economy and foreign policy and national security are greatly more important to people then the character, no matter how you slice it, the individual who runs those policies he may believe biden is a good person, he s ruining the country. he may believe donald trump is the person we saw in the apprentice for ten years that makes comments in mexico all my god but think about where you were five years ago and that is the conversation, just can t hold? a lot of people care about kitchen table issues, that is for sure. coming up on the big weekend show [chanting] a stunning side-by-side as israel rescues hostages held by hamas since the seventh, thousands of pro- hamas protesters causing chaos steps from the white house. plus, facebook post that could throw out trumps conviction. also ahead, finished fanatical strike extremist? absurd claim about people who like to work out. welcome back to the big weekend show . for hostages held by hamas since october 7 are not home with the families and israel after baroque rescue by the idea. hours after rescue, chaos outside the white house at the hands of protesters all while the president is in france. i want to echo president macron s comments walking the rescue of hostages returning to the families. won t stop working until all hostages from home cease-fire is reached. chief washington correspondent mike emanuel the anti- israel protest in d.c. he is would here with us tonig tonight. good evening, protesters calling on president biden and his administration to stop sending bombs and military aid to israel. we are told some of the protesters here today travel as much as 16 hours ciattarelli in our nation s capital. the folks here are furious the president said israeli military operation would be a redline yet israel ignored him so protesters were read to create a human redline around the white house. joe biden, you may speak in our name but not with our consent. we charge you with genocide. it was designed to make us become quiet. protesters vandalized the statue of andrew jackson handprints suggesting the biden administration has blood on its hands. they used books raping to call for the boycott of israeli products. this was the third major pro- palestinian protest in washington over the past eight months. secret service took extra precautions with crowds expect expected. we heard free palestine and biden, biden, he will see. palestine will be free referring to the president is genocide j joe. of course president biden is in here, he is in paris. still, protesters sending a message to the president and his administration. thank you, mike. important to say in comparison of this moment on the left, pro, s supporters surrounded completely surrounding the white house with a red banner that protesters declare is there redline. they do not want the u.s. to support israel. on the right, pure joy of rescued hostages and families reunited after more than eight months. those hostages affected from the music festival. it is boggling we are even having to discuss this because it s amazing to think of these for hostages among over a hundred ducted and 120 we think are either now in custody but still in custody if they are still alive. emerging from captivity on this glorious day only to find out in washington d.c. there are protests in favor of their captors. i can t even wrap my brain around it is so insane cynical remarkable date and to see home, it s wondrous. one of the most recognizable hostages taken they and swept away from the music festival on the back of a motorcycle and one of the most torturous parts is hamas is given little information about the people that continued to hold among them, americans including : where they released video in april, a young man, american in california kidnapped had his arm blown off. miraculously survived in a forced video so remember there are still right now 100 hostages held and among them, americans. many headlines note many casualties as a result of this effort and successful rescue, a brave rescue but they were not being held, they want nothing elderly men and women and they take miraculous bravery, it wouldn t be necessary. miraculous day but there are two sides. these are not combatants held, these are innocent people at a music festival. joey, your among the few people that can imagine what this is like but israel lost a commando, portmanteau for others live. hamas only gives up one of their lives in an effort to kill people but the guy dies a hero obviously. i will take that everyday, if i die and for innocent people come home, that s why signed up for. they work but about a leader, commander so the way israeli army operates, their leader closing from what i ve read, it s a cultural thing food of the labor of going in he would never know that from these lunatics spray painting andrew jackson statue at the park. read handprints and the numbers in the headline of the washington post from the ap come from the health ministry gaza and consider the numbers because they have access to the hospitals and marks. i ll put numbers on because these facts could help inform the public debate about what is going on as many the size isra israel. sixty children killed in gaza climbed sharply, 64% of casualties after in october after the invasion and killing and in april it went down to 38%. did you see the headline in washington post and i would like to think it s a turn but maybe not. you will never find a case where israel intentionally killed innocent people. to get a heads up and they weren t about to do this. the entire tactic is to kill an object innocent people, the story and if that doesn t tell the difference in your hopeless i guess. coming up, social media, facebook post that could get trumps conviction thrown out. that s next. i still love to surf, snowboard, and, of course, skate. so, i take qunol magnesium to support my muscle and bone health. qunol s extra strength, high absorption magnesium helps me get the full benefits of magnesium. qunol, the brand i trust. welcome back to the big weekend show . possible bombshell and follow trunk trial. the judge notified trump defense team about facebook post : one of the jurors discussed guilty verdict with the family before the jury set up. the post said my cousin is adjourned incest trump is getting convicted. thank you folks, for all your hard work. trump campaign official those books and digital it is investigating the matter. it s important to note it s not verified the person who posted this can do any of the jurors but the judge sent a letter not just trumps team but the assistant da and if the judge is a letter that this person is akin to a juror it looks the judge like he s not on top of it so where to be dealt with this? i think this might delay it might delay the sentencing because trumps team will say let s push for an investigation and the judge has to bring in jurors say this is anyone s cousin? i go back to the way it s handled by the judge and the legal person for donald trump said why did you let these men and women go home for memorial day instead of sequestering them? high-profile unprecedented case is what is going to want to talk about and they would have spoken about with friends and family so if it s true must judge merchan might have wanted to do it in the beginning. i m in line with that, it makes the judge look kind of b bad. take all the things we ve heard from jonathan turley and others on the network how this is how a normal case would go and look at objectively 130 million people in this country, billions on social media block don t know if this person is legitimate and sent a letter to both teams and it seems like he would investigate that before you notify. you would think. you have to assume the judge knows more than we do. the judge knows more than what he put in the letter again, we have no idea if there is in relation the end of the cousin really is on a jury but you have to assume he knows more of the other thing is, the problem is the judge denied everything they ve made and what i saw, i thought maybe this is the off ramp where guy gets to embarrassing him self and it s out of doing whatever crazy think he ll do that will haunt him the rest of his career because the trial has to go down as the worst thing in his career so i don t have any faith that he will recognize that. next step is sentencing and applying for an appeal and is pushed out that way, is this grounds for mistrial? do you want a mistrial, what do you want? if you watch it, we seen a number of legal and was talking about transfer appeal that could potentially happen here in the course had but when it comes to specific individual who may or may not be a cousin of roger and the precise timing of the post before the deliberations, he had a 25% chance of being right no matter what the individual posted. i can t believe there are hundreds of thousands being investigated. it s like somebody tried to stir something up, carlo how real that is, a lot of questions house taken. the judge mentioned is so it takes it up, it has to be taken seriously and republicans are concerned. it seems a lot to me. there will columnist and attack on getting jacked claiming right wing if you work out. that s next. make sure you re watching one nation that o clock eastern ti time. there s me and then there is dana white. exclusive sit down with one of the most successful people in the country, advice for you and magic of donald trump and ufc plus keepsake except welcome back to the big weekend show . they say working out builds muscle. you need to go? i wasn t expecting company. this doing my workout. two says back. you asked me to come by. one liberal columnist, working out will turn you into a right wing jerk. she writes, you caps on and more energetic and you think you are master of your own destiny high on self-righteousness and you situate others problems within your failure. this is true if you don t know them and it s just a bunch numbers. these people with ibs, imagine how much better it would be they took responsibility for their health the way you have. charlie, you work out a lot. [laughter] i do the same and have the same results to show for it. or lady, she s confused and obviously bad at the gym and were set friday. she talks how she thinks is conservative to be the master of your own destiny and the cannabis and climbed the whole thing for independence, taking control of your life because you get to choose your own destiny. how is that a bad thing? i didn t disagree with the word of that. [laughter] i m sorry if i hurt your feelings. it might be the answer for a lot of people. where is the problem here? i didn t understand. she also says in the article, fitness has a capitalist logic because there s so much money in it so nothing is ever enough it as soon as you can run a 5k, you want to run ten was competing and striving for growth even of micro human strength. you have internalized market unfortunately. you re getting on everyone s nerves, does it change your mind? the whole premises if you work out, his ethical and legal and now set another one. stop the press, could you believe somebody would live their life that way? what are we supposed to do? they re supposed to wallow in our city believe the truth is we can t survive without the government, we can t take control of ourselves and lives in destiny, supposed to taken everything offered for all the symptoms we have, not change our diet or physical health, but big pharma from that. we are supposed to buy in to the system that makes us invalid every way possible because that s what makes naturally week or choosing to be weak people about i m sorry but i don t do it. i ve had my legs blown off in afghanistan and will be in the gym everyday and it makes me a jerk [laughter] right wing joke. [laughter] why bring politics into this? she s pretty for herself. i want to yield my time, i don t have enough to say but i googled about this to see if it was something emphasis fyi story five years ago, more likely to be right wing. a cousin to the studies so it s not the most original article of work. if you are republican, prettier, more attractive than the democrat a lot of people would defend that and say us because we republicans have more money, they can spend more on what they look like. to cinderblocks workout with. by choice. he lives an alternative lifestyle and is in good shape. one last thing on wheel of fortune so where do game shows go from here? we have that next. (birds chirping) well this isn t gonna work. try this. (celebratory choir sings) this. will work. scooore! pick up score! at walmart. a slow network is no network for business. that s why more choose comcast business. and now, we re introducing ultimate speed for business our fastest plans yet. we re up to 12 times faster than verizon, at&t, and t-mobile. and existing customers could even get up to triple the speeds. at no additional cost. it s ultimate speed for ultimate business. don t miss out on our fastest speed plans yet! switch to comcast business and get started for $49.99 a month. plus, ask how to get up to an $800 prepaid card. call today! welcome back to the big weekend show , the end of an era. sajak officially retired as the host of wheel of fortune, christina coleman more on his office from los angeles. millions of loyal viewers thank during his farewell speech something. big time has come to say goodbye and i ve always felt privileged came with responsibility to keep his daily our is a place for family. no social issues, no politics, nothing embarrassing. gradually became one of place where kids learn about us and people from other countries home and wish skills and famous concussion) neighbors and entire generations. what an honor to have played even a small part of the mexico city look or should 41 years and post a thousand episodes. every time he went to the show, he met three people from all parts of the wonderful country is that they were kind and considerate to write and talking of the family, friends and hometown. during his goodbye speech he expressed how great it was to work with dana white who cohosted the show with him 1982. i will miss our nightly closes and laughter and good nature. a very special one and i know you are all pleased to know joe be back next season ryan seacrest will post wheel of fortune from now on as for pat, he has his next gig lined up and will start a plane is in downtown duluth. he looks amazing. congrats to pat sajak and he had a nice thing to say, no politics, it s about the letters and something you can watch at the family cement pat sajak is a staple in my life, my grandmother watched the show and my mom watched the show and now about to turn 38, i ve never watched more in my life and i do now but my daughter, she s not about to going to kindergarten and in the letter show right now it s recognizing letters so it is a great thing to do with her and she loves it. got one right, he s a native veteran and a lot of people know that in my past life i would take groups of limited veterans show them around and go on site with different shows and end with the motorcycle ride so one trip i took on wheel of fortune last and they were in the middle of taping and we went in to look from the side and they stopped the taping thank you ñ-letter letters behind the. afterwards i found out they do that every time and every time, a group of veterans coming in the culture of the show, i wish him well but i will miss it a wonderful source look tough to follow macbeth is beautifully set beautifully set. the idea when you look around people s longevity and jobs, it s like eight years now and not only for a guy to do this for 41 years but do it with his partner 41 years is extraordinary. they had amazing chemistry, they really did. i said i wonder if they have an affair it was like no, never say that tv royalty it was the chemistry, relationship like brother and sister and they said an interview i did, they had one fight in 41 years. [laughter] was about whether a hotdog should catch up. she likes ketchup and mustard. speaking of, we have a clip from the 80s show hosted by chuck on fox nation. take a look. we love each other but very competitive. but no matter what happens, we will still love each other. [laughter] i wouldn t touch that with the forklift so here we go. deceptively simple around. i feel like you re not paying attention and it probably doesn t matter. [laughter] some punks sexy ladies. [laughter] doesn t stand a chance but you can see on fox nation it looks amazing. i m not into game shows, i am not a big wheel of fortune guy but i definitely will watch that for sure. shannon bream listen i love chuck, one of the og s just like the police exciting about the clip you shared that. the people in it it looks awesome. it is magnificent and is probably a suit of his. i am jealous i lived in the 80s decade but old enough to like that. the make up the apartment had a blast, for sure. they need to get me on. [laughter] fox nation s most of check in case much and now available on fox nation and stick around. big weekend flops are next. okay back to the big, it is the time for a big weekend flops these are big for what we think the biggest feels the week and i m going to go first, yes this one is pretty tough, hardly democratic town council, in wethersfield connecticut refused a thin blue line like to honor fallen to relate kind of duty. it is now been used by poison from certain other far right types of fruits and even many police department thoroughly country has indicated that i think it s a authorize or use that like to employment out of the city councilmember literally, that would was wondering do damage control for female number of female and don t remember her name is that some pretty important things and really, within blue line flight to racism and hatred in all be think about i guess what bothers me think of pride flag they flew to half mast of the american flag this one of the things were this bike has been around for hundred years enemies were going to memorialize those give their lives serving their community and if trying to hijack that, pushback and keep ownership of it and then to be it means from adobe so week pretty. it seems pretty simple okay major bill of the major discovery of essential for thousands of tons of lithium to be extracted annually from wastewater generated by tracking has been discovered a bit dirt dream difficult to refusing covenant have into the source it is further evidence, that that the whole environmentalism, green new deal, fa is a given to give more power to government and they do not actually want to solve anything because they cannot have a utopia without lithium and batteries. it is better for to get from china. [laughter] i guess right. porch pirates a doorbell camera captured footage of a thief fake amazon best posted as a delivery driver hazel packages from a home in massachusetts and so he walks up and he was dressed as a delivery driver within of the box and put them to box down on the porch and then stole the real box and porch piracy $8 billion a year theft in. there s one video pretty polls the box it blows up on him and i think everybody needs to be able to do that. go out. with dog manure. the latest bizarre food trended making the rounds of social media kcal bars smothering catch up yes and the skills here you go. and this is for you. no no no. this is a break me off moment, these are made it to be shared. that s not possible, that is not possible. the vertex, the vertex, charlie. no no no. i think the thing to do is you look awfully cancer first and then you eat the chocolate. this is an improvement on catch up. and the dozen for us and we will see you tomorrow the big we can show starts right now.