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Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 20:12:00

Millions and was able to inherit that through tax fraud and we built that story, we had an incredible database of financial records, we had general ledgers, but then we also went out and we did public records requests and we matched it all up to come to that conclusion and i think we now are looking at what the grand jury is seeing and what they have been going through, you know, they re having to hear testimony. we had witnesses and then you go back and you try and find supporting evidence to bolster that to come to that conclusion in this case, you know, we found that he engaged in tax fraud. they re going to have to come to a conclusion of whether or not they should return a bill of indictment and think that all of all of the pieces are going to come together as they look at that. well, susanne, you re comparing your process. the other thing about that, you had to make that clear to readers, however intelligent and interested in the news, they re not accountants and if this case ....

Tax Fraud , Special Grand Jury , Dollar Case , All Of A Sudden ,

Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 20:20:00

Attorney/client privilege anyway. if michael thought there was something that would be so damning he never would have waived it so costello appearing everyone including bragg would have anticipated the pitfalls and the problems and the achilles heel in the case and ends up being such a nonstarter the grand jury thinks, you know what, thanks for that but it s nothing. we ll listen to the facts and evidence provided thus far and reach a determination based on that probable cause standard. susanne, your final thought? i don t see from trump s point of view along this line of questioning why not, why not put the witness on today. you have a chance to have somebody in there. we don t know what he has to say. i m going to be just very interested coming out. looking forward to hearing in michael cohen even was called back in today. but it s kind of a hail mary but why not? i mean, it s sort of where i would think trump may have been out when they did this. ....

Michael Cohen , Alvin Bragg , Attorney Client Privilege , Dollar Case , Common Cause , The Grand Jury , Achilles Heel , Donald Trump , Point Of View , Hail Mary ,

Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 20:19:00

If you re being honest, the process is skewed in the proceeding in favor of the prosecution because defense doesn t get up there and is not cross-examining witnesses but to asha s point, you know, the corroboration that s objective, that s not michael cohen or kellyanne conway or others that appeared but the documents and the theory is the falsification of record, the payments to reimburse michael cohen was booked as legal fees but there were no legal services provided. that s black and white. there s no retainer agreement. if you look at the actual physical documents and this goes to susanne s point as well there will be a paper trail that can implicate people along the way including donald trump. costello is not so much the defense for trump but pore to go after michael cohen and it s that relationship between costello and michael that s important. michael says there was zero attorney/client relationship. he was never being represented but in 2019 he waived ....

Fixer Doesn T , Asha Rangappa , Michael Cohen , Kellyanne Conway , Donald Trump , Robert Costello , Paper Trail , Retainer Agreement , Black And White , Client Relationship ,

Transcripts for MSNBC Deadline White House 20240604 22:30:00

And then did it cover up a crime is the second charge. and then i think where it gets a bit murky is it a state crime or a federal crime it covered up? but it sounds like from what michael said that case, that s back on the table and he s talked about that before when we ve been going back and forth about this every cup of weeks when he s in. i think the larger question and i want to note i had one other question for him is i know he won t necessarily go into whether or not this is broad, but he did mention other individuals and i m wondering how he got that impression today. he raised it so i want to see if we can needle him one more time on that. yeah. i probably i probably shouldn t have. you don t take it back? i don t take it back. that s all we re going to get today, susanne. okay, fair enough. ....

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