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these events. by obligation, you mean your legal obligation or did you mean something bigger? both my legal obligation and my moral obligation. your moral obligation. i actually want to present an alternative theory. your family came here escaping the holocaust via uruguay. your parents moved, lucy and later you, here. you ve done that american success story through dint of hard work and innovation, good idea, a knack for hiring the right people and some look, you ve built up considerable, successful business, one that i know for a fact would make your parents proud. they came here because they knew that it was here that they could have freedom that they had not enjoyed, security that they had not enjoyed, and opportunity that they had not enjoyed. no doubt on some level, you re grateful and it s created a sense of patriotism in you. is that fair to say? very fair. why, sir, with your courage to come before us, does that same standard not apply to mr. mulvaney, mr. du ....
to investigate what happened in the past and apply its own laws. no one in the new team had anything to do with anything that may have happened in 2016. they were making television shows at the time. iral i also said it is credible to me that he would have been influenced by financial or personal motives in carrying out duties as vice president. a different issue is whether some individual ukrainians may have attempted to influence the 2016 election or thought they could buy influence. that is at least plausible given ukraine s reputation for corruption. the accusation that he acted independently did not seem credible to me. i connected mayor giuliani and the aide by text lantand later t i phone. they met in person on august 2, 2019. in conversations with me following that meeting which i did not attend, mr. giuliani said that he had stressed the importance of ukraine conducting investigations into what happened in the past and mr. yermoc stressed, he said it is their position ....
was the white house visit in return for the 2016 dnc server and burisma investigation. when you heard burisma, you did not see that as code for biden, the bidens? i did not. when did you even know that? is it your testimony that you only realized that burisma included the bidens when the readout came out? no, i really don t recall the date. it was very late in the game, though. september? i don t recall the date. so if i told you that the legal definition of bribery was an event of offering, giving, soliciting or receiving of any item of value as a means of influencing an action of an individual holding a public or legal duty, do you believe that not only was it quid pro quo, but it was bribery? i m not a lawyer and i m not going to characterize what something was or wasn t legally. you also said in your opening statement that secretary perry and yourself as well as ambassador volker worked with giuliani on the ukraine matter at express direction of the presi ....
but, shazam, last week, you come forward with supposedly this new information? there is nothing different in there than what we had on the transcript. maybe that s the reason their star witness, their first witness didn t bring it up. but they had to have something. so you are their closing witness because you overheard the president talking to ambassador sondland. sir, if i can answer. i see four seconds left on the clock. mr. holmes, you may take as long as you need. thank you, sir. i believe that ambassador taylor did already know when i briefed him when i returned from vacation on the 6th. it was not news to him that the president was pressing for a bide investigation. that s not what i asked. i asked why he didn t share with us. mr. jordan, please do not interrupt the witness any further. mr. holmes your time expired yours has not. you may answer the question. it s exactly my point. i briefed the call in detail deputy chief commission. come back, referred to the c ....
an investigation on a political rival? mr. morrison? in that hypothetical, no, i don t think he should do that. yeah. and ambassador volker, i m sure you agree. yes. and the same would be true if it were a governor withholding the budget requests of the state police unless the state police agreed to conduct an investigation on a political rival. you would agree? correct. yes, sir. in your view is it any different for a member of congress? of course not, right? would you agree that the president has the same obligation as the mayor, as the governor, as the member of congress to not withhold aid unless he gets an investigation into a political rival, mr. morrison? yes, sir, i would agree with that hypothetical. i would agree. and we re having a debate here both sides as to how to read what s plainly before us. the presidential phone call where the president ignored the work of the advisers and the national security council of talking points and instead chose ....