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And don't forget, tomorrow more opinions coming from the supreme court. will dobbs be among them, will it be held until next week and what will the fallout be when we learn what the supreme court will do. >> sandra: and we'll be watching all of it. thank you for joining us here. i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts. martha maccallum is up next with special coverage >> martha: that is correct. good afternoon, everybody. i'm martha maccallum at fox news head quarters in new york. welcome to special coverage where moments away from the start of the fifth public hearing in the past two week...

0 and don't forget, tomorrow more opinions coming from the supreme court. will dobbs be among them, will it be held until next week and what will the fallout be when we learn what the supreme court will do. >> sandra: and we'll be watching all of it. thank you for joining us here. i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts. martha maccallum is up next with special coverage >> martha: that is correct. good afternoon, everybody. i'm martha maccallum at fox news head quarters in new york. welcome to special coverage where moments away from the start of the fifth public hearing in the past two we...

Governor, john kasich. >> hi, don. >> pence's former attorney testifying today. did his former chief of staff, they laid out this picture of the former v.p. knowing what trump was asking was illegal and sticking to his guns to not oaf turn the election. he's the hero of their story. what do you think? >> i don't think he's a hero. i mean, he couldn't over turn the election any way. he didn't have the authority to do that. don, it's been interesting the narrative that the committee is sort of spinning here that these people who were enablers of donald trump for over four years. remember the tap...

But he is still pushing it till this day, and a lot of republicans believe him. cnn's senior commentator john kasich is here. he's a former republican congressman and governor of ohio. john, good to see you. thanks for joining. let's get right into this because i want to ask you a bunch of questions. bill barr described trump as detached from reality. so with trump still being the leader of the gop now, what does that mean for the party? >> well, the party apparatus, don, the people who run the state -- you know, the state parties, they're all trump people, and they're probably just dismissing...

>> i'm jake tapper. aides say this second hearing will drill down on evidence that president trump knew he lost the election but spread false claims of fraud anyway, ignoring court rulings, ignoring the will of the american people. lead-off witness, bill stepien, who has firsthand knowledge about what trump knew about the election numbers. stepien tells cnn he is appearing under subpoena. also testifying today, former fox digital content director chris stirewalt. he was fired after his accurate call of arizona for joe biden. we'll hear directly from republicans who investigated and rejected cl...