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Mean less spending and a weaker economy? hi, everyone, i'm brenda buttner, this is bulls and bears, here they are, the bulls and bears this week, gary b smith, tobin smith, jonas max ferris along with walker stableton and steffen, gary b. it turns out not just the rich, but the payroll tax hike smacking just about all workers, will it smack the economy next? >> i don't see how it can't, brenda. the person in that little clip summed it up perfectly. it makes a little bit of a difference and a little bit of a difference times a few hundred million people makes a big difference. it's already been...

0 very controversial this suggestion. a data base because right now they say that there is not a data base. if your gun is lost or stolen. there is is no trace of it. you don't have to report that to anybody. so, then, guns that are stolen, or even that are just sold. if you legally buy a gun and then go out on to the street and sell it to somebody with obviously with ill intent that's not trace either. they think if they had a more secure data base that would help them control the guns on the street. >> certainly easier than why people are shooting at each other. what sort of society gives ri...

People are blogging and twittering like crazy and whatever airline did that more than a few times, toby wouldn't fly delta, fly american or take the train or something. let the market work, the government can't manage it. >> brenda: what do you think, does the invisible hand of the market work or does the government need to reach in as well. >> and what i think is that gary b and tobin can go ahead and die a slow death sitting on the tarmac, i'm for the fast death, and not having the airlines leave people parked on the tarmac and also, look, we have two huge storms, one behind the other, cover...

Tobin smith. jonas max ferris and larry glazier, welcome to everybody. and larry, you say delay it? >> that's right, that's right, brenda, given the choice between the loss of millions of jobs in a deep and severe recession or delaying a deal in hopes of getting meaningful spending cuts in washington, the kind of spending that would cut the 4 billion dollars worth of additional spending every day, that's the long-term not the short-term to prevent being back in this place a year from now and that's going to get the country back on its feet. >> don't get excited. i know gary b will as well. and...

Not every job needs to be unionized in america. >> brenda: but, tobin, workers point out it's hard to live on $16,000 a year in new york city, which is essentially what they're making. >> well, it's hard to live in new york city on 16,000 a month let me tell you. the bigger issue, this is a new york issue. if you look at the overall economy and overall states we're having states move to right to work state. less unionization. and so, this is a new york centric problem. you know, the issue of unions, this happens to be the most unionized labor force in the united states. so it sort of lends it ...