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>> all right. welcome back, thank you so much for watching. i thought we were already in the after the show show. >> no, so clean it clean. go to fox and friends.com and we're going to talk a lot about-- >> carry clayton off rudy style, off the field. >> clayton, clayton! >> thank you. >> brenda: forget the balloons and confetti dropping because job growth is still stalling and our debt keeps soaring. president obama and governor romney both saying they can fix it, but whose plan will actually do it? hi, everyone, i'm brenda buttner, this is bulls and bears. here they are, the bulls and bears ...

the situation is much worse than the headline data suggests. we know that the underemployment rate, a comprehensive data level is 15 mers in this country and know that the labor participation rate, a reflection of whether people are actually looking for jobs is at its lowest level since the early 1980's, their wages are barely keeping pace with inflation. >> how are we going to get better, larry. it's only a half hour show. >> how we're going to make it better by getting the unskilled workers skills for. that's how we're' going to make it better. >> brenda: this is the 30th month of ...

roaring back? >> sure, well, the president's jobs plan is just not cutting it, and you know, we know when we dig beneath the surface, the situation is much worse than the headline data suggests. we know that the underemployment rate, a comprehensive data level is 15 mers in this country and know that the labor participation rate, a reflection of whether people are actually looking for jobs is at its lowest level since the early 1980's, their wages are barely keeping pace with inflation. >> how are we going to get better, larry. it's only a half hour show. >> how we're going to make i...

institute, susan. welcome everybody. okay, harry, forget it a new recession, you think we can't get out of the first one. you have two economies, the households with middle and low income wages and part-time jobs instead of full-time. many are underwater in their mortgages and their unemployment rates are more like 9 0 -- 9 to 10% and the flip side. the college, they're gaining jobs and control about 85% of the financial assets outside of real estate and what the fed has been able to bubble back up with the artificial stimulus and we don't think it's going to lost. the top 20% are do...

probably have made up their minds. >> october numbers. look, what does this mean for the election? does it mean good things for romney? probably more so than obama at this point. >> u 6 number calculates folks working part time. it also throws in there the number of unemployment in addition to part time and people who have stopped looking for work. >> a lot of people point to this number like to your point this would be the real unemployment number 15%. if you ask the folks on wall street yesterday. again, the numbers soaring. trying to look for the silver lining. we now return to th...