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Had already stopped the Trip Planning by that point. And when did that happen . Stopping the Trip Planning . Yeah. On may 13th. Okay. And how did you hear about that . I was called by a colleague in the the Vice President s chief of staffs office and told to stop the Trip Planning. Okay. And as i understand it, it was the assistant to the chief of staff . Thats correct. Okay. And so you didnt hear about it from general kellogg or the chief of staff or the president or the Vice President , you heard about it from mr. Shorts assistant . Thats right. And did you have any knowledge of the reasonin...

Questioning about vindman being offered a job at the defense ministry in ukraine. he seemed to walk just up to the line of oh, you know, it's pretty interesting. that's a pretty big job for someone like you. must have been a big honor. who did you tell about it? were you worried about a conflict of interest when you came back? he did not go right out there and accuse lieutenant colonel vindman of having any kind of secondary loyalty, but he left it just sort of sitting there with anyone who might want to pick up the baton and run with it when we go back. that is a very delicate thing for a mem...

Been held to lately. what were the major pieces of testimony that were presented this week that moved the ball on the question of evidence the democrats are going to use against the president here? >> well, i mean, one, you pointed to earlier, steve, which was this thing that's just come out today about lieutenant colonel vindman being told by a white house lawyer not -- that he should not discuss the contents of the phone call that the president had, the fact that the phone call was moved on to this nice system which is the sort of ultra top-secret system at the white house in order to perhap...

You have seen in your years in d.c. >> and done a few times. listen, john, i've been fairly critical of republicans on various aspects of this whole proceeding for a while. but on this particular issue so far what we know, i think they have a point. look, is there an information pipeline to the white house from republicans? yes. but there's also an information pipeline from the democrats to "the new york times." there's another one to "the washington post." we wouldn't be talking about vindman being told to keep his mouth shut were it not for a leak. there have been tons of leaks coming from t...

>> listen, i've been fairly critical of republicans on various aspects of this whole proceeding for a while but on this particular issue, so far, what we know, i think they have a point. is there an information pipeline from the white house to republicans? yes. there's also an information pipeline from the democrats to the new york times. there's another one to the washington post. we wouldn't be talking about vindman being told to keep his mouth shut were it not for leak. there's been tons of leaks coming from the democrats to shape the story, to shape the narrative which meadows and these re...