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On the issue of busing, obviously that is personal to me. i remember getting on that yellow bus. you know? and so many of us do and interestingly enough since i talked about it people who i don't know have reached out. they also -- especially in the '70s all across our country people were bussed. people just like me. >> i heard and i listened to and i respect senator harris, but you know we all know that 30 seconds to 60 seconds on a campaign debate exchange can't do justice to a lifetime committed to civil rights. i never, never, never ever opposed voluntary busing. and as a program that sena...

Jesse jackson was speaking in front of his group the rain poe push coalition and he said he's for voluntary busing, i'm for court-ordered busing. well, everyone's for voluntary busing, jackson said. the federal government had to order the abolition of slavery, the right to vote. what do you think harris is up to here and when will we know if it's actually working? >> jeff is right, the campaign is not going to turn on busing, but it does speak to this broader idea that biden on both his policies and his rhetoric is out of step right now. and what i have heard from a lot of people who are reall...

Committed to civil rights. i want to be absolutely clear about my record and position on racial justice, including busing. i never, never, never, ever opposed voluntary busing. >> jeff, how worried is the biden campaign about this? this is a story that has been going on since the debate. what's your sense of how they're seen and whether they are afraid of blowback, particularly from african-american voters? >> the biden campaign right now i think realizes that this presidential campaign is not going to be won or lost on busing. i think the bigger challenge is, is this an example of something w...

And you can say does that raise questions directly about his electability how he can handle that situation in terms of the spotlight. but in terms of busing, where is she going to go with this? what do you make of what charlie was just saying? >> no, i think charlie makes good points, that there is a danger for someone like harris getting too far to the left, both on the idea of health care and the idea of getting rid of private insurance because that's not particularly popular among people who have insurance through their employers and want to keep it. and busing is historically is quite unpo...

Candidates got. that cnn poll that you've been citing also found that only 21% of adult americans favor national health insurance that abolishes private insurance. school-busing has historically not just unpopular, it is overwhelmingly unpopular. so even though kamala harris had a really break-out night, there's no question about it. the this issue of school-busing i think is a kind of a time bomb in this campaign. the last time gallup did a survey on this, 80% of americans were opposed to school busing. and, again, we have to clarify whether it's involuntary school-busing. so i think there ar...