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Here to talk about it with us tonight, mike the mcfaul, former u.s. ambassador to russia. his recent book titled "from cold war to hot peace: an american ambassador in putin's russia" and clint watts back with us. a former fbi special agent. he's also a distinguished research fellow at the foreign policy research institute. he happens to be author of "messing with the enemy: surviving in a social media world of hackers, russians, terrorists and fake news." gentlemen, good evening to you both. clint, i have one more quote here from "the new york times." this is about the senate report. it concl...

They don't typically follow a lot of voter data. so i think joe biden realizes this is not necessarily his election to lose. certainly he res natures well with people in south carolina. but this is a very crowded field. you have over two dozen candidates running and i think everybody knows they're going to have to go out and earn the vote. we did see that joe biden looked ill-prepared last debate. certainly he should be prepared for whatever comes after him in this debate. but kamala harris has proven herself to be a for biddable opponent. dagers are going to be out from other opponents. and i...

And it generates a new cycle, his campaign loves it. they use that to collect a lot of voter data and energize voters looking forward to 2020. >> picking up on that important point, for this president, it is about the fight, right, and he is going into the re-election campaign and he can say look at me, i am fighting on this critical issue. by the way, he is in wisconsin today, very important state. does he get to go there and make the argument you're saying he backtracked, he's saying this is victory. >> well, it is not victory, it is clearly not victory. you can make the argument that people...

It's true the 2020 campaign is less about persuading new voters, more about supercharging his loyal base. and there is a strong base. we saw it again last night, a capacity crowd of about 20,000 people here at the amway center, home of the orlando magic, but over the course of an hour and 15 minutes, the crowd even kind of grew a little bit tired. the seats were starting to get a little bit empty toward the end of his event. a lot of red hats out there, but the blue seats peering through as well. it was an important event for the campaign, though, in terms of its energy. they were able to fund...

Bought an unprecedented number of digital ads targeting the message thanks to a massive voter data. it is still growing and a big part of the 2020 plan. >> it now has hundreds of millions of records and voter history and consumer data. when we put it into that machine and we say this is what's happening they say there is what you need to talk to. imagine it is a country before with no roads and no maps and no directions. all of a sudden you can layer another piece of paper overit. >> how is it different now? >> i think you have seen a m masive injection into the places you can communicate with...