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Converting it into rubble and that's exactly the war strategy they are pursuing now in the remaining donbas area. they don't have the capabilities nor the military ability to take our cities without many casualties and without casualties to their own side and the only way to do that is to destroy everything and convert the cities to rubble and that's exactly what's happening. you talk about the remaining donbas best area because the russian side are now seeing they are near completion when it comes to the liberation of donbas. how do you see it? they are far from it. if you look at the map, th...

27 are missing but that 300, more than 300 survived and they're telling a heroic story of how that one sailor who died played the role in saving all those lives. now the u.s. does not have its own hard count or estimate of the number of sailors who actually died on board that ship but have believed since it went down that those losses were significant and some of that is based just on the simple calculation of looking at all the damage to the ship and the fact it did sink after an effort to tow it back to shore and that there was no major russian rescue operation visible to the u.s., so this i...

Say in the last five years and since the invasion they've cut down on almost all independent journalism in russia. >> you wrote this week about the refugee crisis. nearly 5 million ukrainian refugees now, more than 2 million of them in poland, where you just visited, more people displaced internally. what hope do they have of ever getting home? >> yes. this is a big story, andrea. i went with c.a.r.e., the global humanitarian and poverty relief organization, has a big operation in poland. the larger point to dovetail with what we were just talking about is the refugee crisis is part of putin's...

Humiliation inside russia of losing the flagship. on top of the humiliation and it feels like in that strike near kee on friday and in lviv feels like brutality and revenge. how does that have ukrainians sort of girding for something uglier? >> reporter: that's exactly right. it is this poisonous mix of revenge and war strategy. as we have spoken about, they made absolutely no distinction between military targets and the besieged population here. hitting the civilian population is part of that plan. they want them to be scared and say, okay, we have had enough. the russians don't control any l...