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in fact allen said that will training is only available to members of the maricopa county sheriff's office meaning bates would not have been eligible. we don't an loup out of state people to take the class she said. joining us now is ziba bran citier the enterprise editor at the tulsa world who contributed to the report. jim cavanaugh au law enforcement analyst and retired atf agent in charge, and david harris professor at the university of pittsburgh school of law. i want to begin by saying who else we invited tonight who declined once again. we invited the sheriff to explain what's going on in his department. we also invited the defense lawyers for mr. bates. they could not make it tonight 37 one of them has already appeared on the program. zeba, i want to get to your latest reporting about this training that he claimed to have received from maricopa county's -- let's see, response to active shooter training he