>> and that gets to the point. part of this is, harry, michael cohen is a friend of the president. he is having a hard time getting very good reputation. and this is in some ways penny-ante stakes compared to what's happening on the mueller front. he is down to one lawyer over there, basically jay sekulow on that. today we've got news that dan webb and tom buchanan, who are two big very credentials white shoe fancy pants lawyers also turned the president down. why cannot -- why can the president of the united states not get anyone to represent him? >> i know, it's remarkable, right? you would ...