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Could be enough. so that's why -- that's kind of the narrow case. but as a matter of jury feel, as a matter of telling a narrative ark it of course would be helpful to be able to tell the jury, to persuade the jury that mr. trump at the time knew that, in fact, the election was not stolen and that he had actually lost the election. and from what we've heard from reporting, you know, up until today there are many people who will say, yes, he was aware. now, mr. kushner may have said the opposite and there's good strategy reasons for the prosecution to call jared kushner into the grand jury to t...

Yeah, at the end of this, you're going to have harrison ford playing guy luft, is that his name? >> gal. >> gal luft. >> they'll be in the water drain, and tommy lee jones will say -- harrison ford is going to say, "let me go," and gal luft will say, "you're guilty." harrison ford is going to go, "yeah, i am." >> okay. >> it's just -- it's really bad. >> while we're at it -- the federal prosecutor -- >> did you know -- >> oh, my god. >> -- this guy smuggled iranian oil illegally for the chinese communist party? did you know that? >> i didn't. >> james comer is on his side. did you know that th...

Like jim himes will say, all right, i have to vote for this because there's no other option. what am i going to do, see the first debt default in american history? this is the only option. it's a bad option for a lot of democrats. >> absolutely. here's the thing that both mccarthy has said and the white house is starting to tell democrats. elections have consequences. you have to come to the negotiating table in divided government. you're now starting to hear both of those different sides also try to play into 2024 politics saying, hey, you're a republican. you want to see more cuts? you bette...

Balking at a deal to hurt joe biden? >> why did a lot of them sign on to the original house deal that would prevent a default? that would seem to be counterproductive. look, i think the president has been put in a bit of a corner, painted himself into a corner because they said we're not going to negotiate assuming the republicans might not get it together and get anything passed, but they did more than a month in advance, and i think that's the problem that's been facing them for the last several weeks now. howard: yeah. on the other hand, lucy, i always thought this would come out, i don't t...

There. santos it has not have to resign. i think kevin mccarthy will say, as he has said, i won't support him for reelection, but let the process play out. mccarthy is saying that because he needs santos as much as santos needs mccarthy right now. >> eugene, i want to ask you, you've covered this story before in different contexts. this idea of a potential government shutdown of the debt ceiling. i think a lot of times when i talk to voters and they are, like yeah, i have seen this before. i've seen this before. i wonder if in your sense doing the reporting in washington on the hill that this ...