a lot of voters who are not tuned in to the election and who are not focused on what's going on. and i think once you get more paid media out from biden's campaign, focusing on his accomplishments. focusing on not only the job creation, but the successes as president that he has achieved so far. you'll get what i call the avengers out there on the campaign trail, the cabinet members, the governor. we have a strong bench of really topnotch surrogates out there. once you see the campaign heat up, i think it will be a lot of excitement and a lot of enthusiasm, and that will make a big difference and reflect in similar polls like this. >> this is the first time matthew, certainly in my lifetime that we're seeing a rematch of two former presidents. it's been a minute. it's safe to say we've seen this. how much of that is a factor that this is a matchup that people are not necessarily excited about from the get go? and in respective of who these two men and how different they are by the mere fact it's kind

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