You're fine line. The list of shady characters and donald trump's entourage is not aging well, we're going to use our best people so what would a second presidency without guardrails look like? plus a camouflaged walz thank old school carburetor deep packing harris again shot and the race for the white male vote. These nail in it also an explosive development in one swing state could mean we don't know the next president until thanks or even christmas live at the table people van lathan, kristen davidson, shermichael singleton and hilary rosen, 46 days to go. Americans with different we're an opinions are talking to each other, but here they do evening. I'm abby phillip in new york. Let's get right to what america is talking about. The list of shady characters in donald trump's entourage. It's getting a lot longer. And the question tonight is, will those characters ultimately cost him the election? or if he wins? would they show up in a season of the real west way? the latest is the republican candidate for governor in north carolina, mark robinson. The campaign is now grappling with the impact of robinson's black nazi porn scandal, which could hurt trump in a key swing state those graphic posts suddenly have vanished from the nude africa, a pornsite yes, those are real words i just said robinson hasn't yet been invited to trump's north carolina rally. That's scheduled for tomorrow but he is hardly the only character with recent guest appearances on the trump show there's 911 conspiracy theorist laura ridde whisper corey lewandowsky, and the conspiracist in chief, rfk jr. Joining us in our fifth seat is kierna mayo, a cultural commentator and executive editor of one world this is crazy that i have to say but black nazi nude porn scandal on tv, but that's real life like this is where we're at and trump. First of all, he attracts these people around him, but then never seems willing to say get away from me. I don't want to be associated with you birds of a feather. I mean, this is just magnetism drawn to one another because we are bsw. It. I was thinking about this conversation before i got here and i said the joy of not being a political commentator, not having to appear objective well having to fame a journalistic integrity. I the man makes me crawl as does donald trump or for the same reasons, but particularly with robinson the piece that really rubs me in the piece that impacts me as a cultural commentator is the legacy that he stands on. I just think about the servant leaders, the fact that donald trump compared him to martin luther king i mean, it's just so insensitive is really beyond words in many respects, because i want us to feel that energy. I want us to feel what i feel because i think average americans are encountering this person as an anomaly. He is not like us, right? he just isn't. And i don't want to pretend for a minute and give him space. And the ways in which donald trump, again, the entire collective of misfits, because here we are with actual misfits is threatening to our entire future to my children's future, to their children's future, it feels like a joke, but it's not a joke. And so i'm angry. I'm i'm scared. But i'm throwing stuff at my television. He's on that visceral for me. I'll donald trump comparative themselves, said that he did more for black people than abraham lincoln. So it's not unusual that he would embrace mark robinson. It isn't it is to be expected. And you think that you can't be impacted like i was surprised at how i think it was the king piece from trump, which really brought out like that kind of visceral emotion that reminds me how intensely racist this is like when you're racism, racism you know, we have this character in mark robinson where donald trump wouldn't even know this man if he wasn't looking for he is african american to make him look a particular way the more you're willing to be controversial than what maybe the more you're willing to do the conspiracies, the way that donald trump likes them, the more likely you are to end up somehow in his orbit at the end of the day, really, that may be true. But the reality is, republicans want to win a race i don't think mark robinson is the best example of what conservatism should appear to be that's clear, right? i mean, sorry, i mean, even that so you say there's a guy that, you're looking at his public statements and then we find statements he made years ago, like and transient report. That's his thing. That's his thing. I read another thing this morning that he slept with his wife's sister but i'm just saying like as a conservative, as someone who is goes to church on sundays, this is not the example that i would like representing any member of the republican party. And i think it's why the guy is likely going to lose the seat. It's why the guys behind by 1012 points and he's been behind for such a long time now. And i think this is a part of the problem that the parties would have faces as a collective when you have these people who prayed, the former president and he likes them, and i get it. It just hits is his personality. He can do whatever he wants in that regard the problem is though this stuff doesn't bode well then tight election because it turns off a lot of people and we're seeing that in real time, who agrees with you? ben shapiro i know here was a friend. Well, here's what he said. Perhaps the american primary voters should start nominating normies for high office. I don't know just a thought by normies. I don't mean people who don't know or care about policy. I mean people who lead normal lives, you don't go to sex parties while locking you down in new york or spend their days it's trolling porn sites, leaving strange comments or nail powerful politicians to just to get ahead i mean, ben shapiro saying this is a little rich, but i guess my question is for everything that you just said, how do you feel like mark robinson makes it to the top of your party? like what is boroughs say? i would say van if this was ten years ago, mark robinson couldn't have raise his name to be what? is this isn't a new phenomenon. Bad candidates exist all the time not know what i mean, what i mean in this particular situation. I think this is the most dangerous thing about trump the most dangerous thing about trump to me is he is a deeply unserious person who seeks the most serious office in the entire world. And that means that you have to look at things and take things all with the degree of you have to have some empathy. Day. You have to think beyond yourself. You have to thank for other people. He doesn't have the capability to do that. Event what responsibility do the people of north carolina have for voting for someone like mark robinson? i mean, i don't know if you can put all that on trump. I mean, people do have some level of autonomy to decide. I'm going to vote for someone who is a disgrace, or i'm going to vote for someone would values and standards people clearly chose to vote for robin. That gets us back to the divide in our country, right? i think that gives us back to what we're asking ourselves. We're asking ourselves if we can actually depend on half of the country as americans, it's actually put country and democracy and things like that first, and not just the whims of one guy. I'm both can be true at the same time i mean, voters do have the responsibility to vote for certainly for people who are not, you know, off the deep end. But that does not absolve trump from his responses to he actually embraced mark robinson when all of this stuff so much of this stuff was out here, not just the latest points i a lot of the other stuff trump brought him and trump elevated him he did not have to do i accept that point, abby, but i will say from my understanding of the campaign recognized as the problem that mark robinson is now now better late than never. And the former president is attempting to distance himself from mr. Robinson. I think j. D. Vance was supposed to do an event with him. I think a day or two ago, they canceled that event. Robinson wasn't invited so the trump event, i think today or tomorrow, i think you're going to see this continue. I think the bigger question for me though is, what does the republican party of north carolina do? i mean, granted, they can't kick the guy off the ballot, but they don't necessarily have to support me. They could have done this two weeks ago. I didn't i mean, it's i don't think we've had an opposition research failure this big since 2017 when we didn't see governor or do you think like but no, look, this is an opposition research $10 and didn't do any research. So whoever ran that race was but they need to evaluate how do for months, by the way, he was we can talk about what what was found on nude africa or any of these other sites but the guy to me and his rhetoric was disqualifying way before that, of course candidate because, you know, to shermichael's point, he actually won his primary for anyone. He won principally because he has become a trump acolyte we have seen all across the country where donald trump has embraced people who flatter him. He came in today, embrace people. He embraces people who flatter him and go all the way out as far as donald trump needs them to go mainstream republicans historically dubbed the votes in north allies have voters vote people who are actually voters. They vote, right cultists obey? yes. And i know that that is probably a triggering to people, but voters are people who go out and they look at policy, they looked at their, so you don't think that people who i'm not saying that but i think the candidates who do you not think that there was something whether it was his articulation of this populist anger that people saw. They believed that he said, all right, you know what this guy is speaking to? my plight, micro teak of the political party, the political establishment, the government writ large. He has my vote i think all of that language is translated through donald trump's bora. And i think right now there's such a capture on the right. And to be honest with you, a lot of conservatives that i talked to, a lot of friends and mine from louisiana is now like as liberal as they come, but they want their party back. And what ben shapiro is actually saying right there is forget about the trump and flattering him and everything that you just said, they want conservatism back, that they can be proud of, and they don't see it in their party back they had been lifelong here. I understand it. But but there is something to a third of the country support in the former president. I don't think we can necessarily discard that or what is it about this grievance that these people are asking for political leaders to pay a ticket to the republican party. The establishment in particular had a time vann to address these issues hsu had a long time the tea party that a long time, and they didn't want to hear. And so here we go with it, but donald, i have a question for you i think i think their grievances and i'm look, i look at this as like a good old boy. I think they're grievances had to do with the realization that they could be in a post obama america where their very existence and look, i'll give some ground here i personally think that in obama's first and second term a lot of my friends, we're looking at the political landscape and they're saying they'll never be another republican president for 25 or 30 years. I think there were people that come from places like we come from that maybe felt a little alienated by, do think that that mutated i think a mutated it is something that was anti american antiblack, antitrans, antigay, anti woman. And i think that if conservatives want to have a real voice in america moving forward, they got to take their party back, but that's half of america though can you address the substance of what he just said? do you think that an hello man of the support for people like mark robinson is motivated by those things that he just ticked off. I mean, mark i mean matt, i'm just saying racial elements i'm not necessarily sure. But i do think mark robinson did speak to a grievance, a very real grievance that a lot of voters in that state believed he was it's the best representation to actualize those grievances in some real terms of what are the green was saying. I think i think the grievances could have been they felt economically behind. They feel that in terms of their academic attainment for their children, they're falling behind. I mean, i could go on and on. I'm not saying that. How does it but what i'm saying though, is if you look if you looked at some of his statements in the past, i think observing some of the statements, i think are part of the reason a lot of those people voted for him was when he's saying the culture is changing and people are allowing certain things that we don't agree side. I think blending donald trump is bri we have to hear his son. You have to go in for the last three, but let's be clear about what the kinds of things mark robinson, what he said was he was saying, let's go back to jim crow. Yes, he was saying women should pull their skirts down so that they don't get pregnant. And then they won't need a border missions. If that's going to take people bobby to that, i think i think we should i think we can we could ignore that, but i do think there's some people who do believe the culture of the society has gone too far in one direction. And i think there are certain individuals who appear to speak to that for some of those people, there clearly supporting fully know, i think that at this table because, you know, i don't i don't we got to go which is what hold on. The trump campaign do. You gotta go into now, you move forward. We got to go at this table. We try to keep it real. It just sounds like it sounds like you're just papering. Oh, come on every seriously seriously. So now i'm supporting mark robinson here. I didn't say that you're supporting him. I just think that it sounds like you're trying to put fairly language around that's not what that's nonetheless. No, no, it's not what i'm saying what i'm what i'm saying is, as i observed this as a conservative and i'm thinking about why are people supporting people like this. I'm wondering, what is it about these people and what they see in our society that they personally believe is diabolically changing against what they think america should look like. And what and why their attempts to actualize those things and protect those things that people like a robinson or ten, that's all i am simply said, there's no question that scale for mark robinson yes. This primary to be the nominee disagreement at school, but he owns this. All right. Kierna. Thank you very much for joining us. Everyone. 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Why giving tax cuts to the wealthiest rigging our economy? make it more difficult for people joining us in our fifth seed is philip bump, national columnist at the washington post. And a white man yeah. So philip, tell us, do you think that this makes sense to you electorally for them to go this particular route to reach white male voters? yeah. I mean, look everyone realizes this election was extremely close. And so what that means is that come election day and come the early voting period, which is getting underway turn up is the issue, right? they need to get their folks out to vote or they need to get the other guys folks less excited about voting for him. That's what they're doing here, right the, you know, when we ask questions like does this work? the thing with him messing with that truck, which is a great job. By the way, it doesn't work. I mean, yeah. Were seeing you're talking about right? it's been effective like i saw it before i got to cnn, right? it's spreading around. People are looking at if people are talking about it and that's the sort of thing where when you are looking at the democratic ticket, which in 2020 had joe biden who has specifically mette to target rust belt white guys who the democrats were freaked out about having lost in 2016, they lose that when biden steps aside and then again with tim walz, get tim walz back out there. He's from minnesota who can speak their language. And it's very much about encouraging as many people as possible to give harris chance or to not be too worried about going on castillo hello for donald trump? yeah. I think it shows us that tim walz can fix a car, but nothing on the economy. And that's really what a lot of these rust belt white voters want to see. They want to know what they are hurting. Their bills have gone skyrocket, their energy bills have gone up. There kamala and walz have given zero. Harris was asked again last night, what's your plan for the economy? i don't really know what the answer was. Can anyone here tell me what her response was for how we fix the economy? they can't articulate it. So it's great. He's fixing cars. I guarantee you very few union workers in wisconsin michigan, and pennsylvania have seen that because tonight they're not watching this. I'm sorry. They're not they're sitting at home we're going to go to soccer camp tomorrow or go church. That's what they're figuring. That's fine. But he spelled voters aren't doing this based on economics or a spot, you know, voters are doing this based on the cultural issues that have been driving everything. Just 2016, i disagree. I think that everyone is born with but this election because it's gone so, so poorly the last four years, i think kate was plainspoken. This video about what the economic issues are, because he said, look, the other side, donald trump is going to give tax cuts to the people who don't fix her own cars like i'm not you guys that i think is essentially a simple way to frame this. That's effective and as somebody who has walked 1 million youtube videos to fix stuff, i will go, i like the videos. The lesbians, we walked the video he thinks you're always the video hits at something else. And i think a lot of those voters, if we're talking about those, a white male voters, they see black, they see woman. And they feel uncomfortable. And i think it's important to name that i think it's important to say that they see black, they see women, they feel uncomfortable and when they see tim right there under the hood of the car, they see their uncle, they see their dad, they see somebody who they know. This is someone from minnesota, someone who is speaking in the language that they speak and they don't feel as other noun think they have any reason to feel uncomfortable, right? i think that a black woman is primed to run this country, but i think more actually making them feel a little soft and fuzzies the warm and fuzzies is probably the aim of those that's a way to look at it. That's trails point. I mean if all of this we're just solely on economics, i think we would be looking probably at a different election than we are right now. And also, that's as evidenced by the fact that just simply joe biden suddenly leaving the race suddenly changed. Everyone's perspective should be president holding on this, we've seen harris has drawn even with trump in polling the gender gap they didn't graph is a real thing and i'm not convinced that the truck was really nice. I agree with your beautiful truck and he clearly knew his stuff. I'm a car guy, but but at this one video is not going to be enough to close the margins in the gaps for the vice president as it pertains to donald trump, you're looking at younger men under 30 for whatever reason, they've been moving more to the republican side since president obama, you've written about this and so i don't know if there'll be able to make enough ground game to shore up young men in the rust belt between now and the what, 56 days remaining. Nice try but i don't know if it's going to work. They will need them all well i certainly don't need them all, but i want to play. We played a little bit of this earlier, but this is joe rogan so again, who has i would say some people would think that maybe he leans a little bit more, right? but here's what he's been saying lately about vice president harris i just want to say whoever's helping her, whoever's coach in her, whoever's the puppet master run this strings yeah. Yeah amazing job. A job. They did an amazing job from the moment biden drops out, forcing biden to drop out whatever they're doing, whoever's writing those speeches, getting her, deliver him, coaching her she's nailing it. She nailed that one speech to say say it to my face cheer that she nailed it, dude that's real that's a real earned media right there. And he has a huge following. A lot of young man, a lot of young unmarried, white guys. I mean, look, i don't know if this is going to work for men, but generally speaking, they're running an incredible campaign. I mean, no one can deny that the amount of money the vice president is raising the number of volunteers, i mean, people are really excited about her, about the possibility of making history. A lot of women, especially black women, are really enthusiastic about this, and i certainly understand why i think the trump campaign has to realize this is not running against joe biden. This is a very different in a formidable candidate. I watched the vice president today in atlanta and i made a couple of notes and i thought, man, if this is what she's going to continue to do for the next 50 plus days is when we might actually win this thing. I can't underestimate the need for the comfort level. And that's why these little videos matter. Because it's not when she says i need to be the president for all americans. This is a message that we have not heard from our leaders, right? people have felt for right or wrong. Joe biden was divisive and not capable. There's no question people feel donald trump is divisive. And when you have a candidate who spends so much time trying to appeal to people who are not naturally her voters that is really something that people can get behind in a way that i think we underestimate that you know, that comfort level matters. Why, how do you explain them that trump is also winning voters that weren't normally his voters. So the teamsters is percentages with minorities with, with african americans, with hispanics has been the highest. They've ever been he is making an effort to do that. So just say this is all one sided better, but let me explain that easily and it's two words. Unfortunately, it's joe biden and the problem is, is that we are, we have a little bit of leftover with shaken already say that they were spent ration union issue is noncollegeeducated white guys. That's the union issue, right? i mean, the union movement is away from democrats for years old, white male voter, that is a swing voter here is the college educated white male voter in a suburb. They're the ones that right now maybe voted for trump the first time voted for biden the second time. They don't know where to go. This time they are economically driven voters there peloton deaths, inside atlanta and philadelphia, peloton. They've had a couple of bad years with inflation and unfortunately, the economic messaging hasn't, hasn't been as effective, but the economy has been more effective. And i think that people are starting to give it more of a chance. Well, i hope you saw joe rogan there. You saw him changed his tone him to be so rogan is a bad guy. He's a guy that wants to be excited by kennedy and what he's essentially talking about, these inadeptly hustle will make them feel. I will say this before we got here. Let's, let's talk to brothers to now, i want to say that wants to tim walz play some spades. I want to see him place and dominos, you know what i mean my goal, my car we do have to go but i did think that her comments on guns would be just as effective for a lot of someone asked her what kind of gun she owns. I don't know about that you know, what i'm saying? one, i'm saying this all right so there are a lot of black men who are gun owners. I know that, but i don't know. I'm just saying that he really black men though, abby, that that the vice president really has to win over. I think it's a lot of those white men lashing i think she wants to have a lot of black man, but she's been improving a margin that i just saw howard university survey, i think two days ago, she said 82% with all black voters. So she's clearly improving our margins were really looking at suburban independents outside of philadelphia getting those numbers pumped up outside of milwaukee. And this is going to be very technical election and it's not going to be a sweep, a democratic election, maybe a few to be in georgia, voters those votes are going to matter very quick point when we're talking about these young white guys to young white guys were mad at the establishment, don't vote. It's not up to harris to get them out to vote. It's up to trump get up and vote. And he has no, that's a good point. And even trying that last point, everyone hang on for us. 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Some say it is illegal, others say iterations, guardrails or quite simply, it is just impossible to pull off that were too close to the election with 50 days out before we have our election fact, we're really just three weeks before we start early voting and it's just too late in sight. We're back at the table. One of the things that donald trump and his allies learned after 2020 is that the secret to sort of getting some of this silly basically at the outgrowths of election denial into the system is to appoint people to these boards and they've done that successfully in this case. But what is behind? this is fundamentally untruths about what happened in georgia the last time around. Well, in the other thing that's interesting is, and that was brad raffensperger, the former secretary of state, the republican secretary of state of georgia, who donald trump tried to get to hand him some votes when georgia's numbers didn't come out the way he wanted to but the thing is, it's not even clear which way helps donald trump, right you know, if they would spend half the energy getting their vote out getting mail ballots out there, doing organizing, getting people to do early voting if they would spend half their energy doing that, then trying to stop people from voting are worried about fraud. They might all right, actually win this election. And i think that's the crazy thing. It's like this doesn't even seem smart. Strategy for me is for there to be more votes for donald trump than for the other candidate. But delay is part of donald trumps tactic. I mean, i will never forget being on tv for four days. And in that for fourday timespan the main thing that trump did was used the delay to suggest that inherent in delay is fraud yeah i no. Exactly right. This is this was his game plan in 2020. It looks like he's doing it again. You get all your folks to vote on day out and they're counted and you say you have the lead and then over the course of the next few days that ledi roads because you're counting more ballots that often were cast before election day. So actually older ballot. And then pointing to that and saying that they're injecting fraud, there's an aspect here that i think is going on unrecognized, which i think is really important. That is, that after donald trump made these claims about the election being stolen and everyone said there's no evidence of that. There is no fraud, your lying, yada. Yada, yada. He and his allies pivoted. His allies, didn't want to say, oh, there's frogs, they knew there was a lie. So said the election is right. And one of the key things they pointed to about the election being rigged, these rules being changed in the election, right? yeah. So this is exactly what they were saying was rigging the election in 2020 is these sorts of all is not lost on either side of rules, changes, in ashamed that, that also officials in georgia do not even think this is legal. I was just going to say that we don't know if this thing is going to withstand a court challenge. A judge may knock this out and say, look, this is impossible, it's not practical with weeks before the election and i also think some good news here though is if they do this and it moves forward and a judge says that it's ok. There is no way in the world you can say that the election was stolen. Every single vote. No, i'm not say that you wouldn't claim it. My point is, if every single vote is counted by hand, how the heck can you make an argument that it was signing you? in 2021, but you would have an argument because i think it's actually really important for you to really understand what's going on here. It's not even that there re tabulating the results of the election. They're literally taking the ballots and stacking them into stacks of 50 and then counting the stacks of 50 and saying we have the number of ballots at the machines said that we had yeah, it's a laborious process that actually serves no purpose. It serves no major errors and a year where we can't forget this history is repeating itself in 2000 when al gore and george w, we're in a dispute over ballots in florida. It went on and on and on and the country was exhausted and it went to the supreme court, who ultimately said, we can't keep doing this and can't keep sending it back because the country needs a president and so there is something crazy to delay what people get impatient. The lesson there for me is there was also a thuggish incident in which these dudes in suits came in, tried to break up, but that's right. That's what i'm worried about. This thing goes out for multiple weeks and are counting the ballots and all sudden a bunch of guys, they are 50s rolling not just going to be georgia, pennsylvania is going to take a long time zone as they take on time. So we're really focused on this, which i agree we don't know if it's going to stay this way or not and if it's gonna hold up, but just the way the law has been in pennsylvania, in arizona, in these other states, it is going to take every every single day earlier in the main point here that everyone should be talking about is who is focusing on the voters? 2's turning out, that's all you can really do. What you have to do. These things, local guys, these election board members, who just salute donald trump and you know forget their job but forget that their job is to actually get people to vote and count the votes and, you know, process democracy here. That's the most shameful thing, you know, it's a, it's a small bored that we're talking about here. It's only five members the republican chair of the board voted against this, the three that trump that or trump back lights voted for it. And another note just to tell you how unpopular this is. 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I'm proud, showing people mile, eva mckend on the role with the harriswalz camp cnn so my kids keep me humble unfortunately, kamala harris doesn't have anything keeping her home loan gentleman, doug emhoff hitting back at sarah huckabee sanders after the arkansas governor took a shot at kamala harris for those comments about her not having children it's appalling for somebody who is in a position of leadership, like the governor, to say something so repulsive and so out of touch as if you need to have your own biological children to be humble. But then it then to say as if women should be humble, and you can see the pushback even from within her own party because it's a repulsive thing to say. Now this comes as harris talks more about her stepchildren and new video for wired kids? yes. I have to call him ella became my cherished children. Doug, my husband. I was very clear with him that when we started dating i wanted to see how this thing was gonna go before i would meet cole and ella, you know, i'm a kid of divorced parents. It was important to make sure that when i developed a relationship with the kids, that it would be lasting. I love those kids to pieces. They are my children and i'm very proud of them. The contrast their in their responses is pretty stark. I think she she's giving the positive version of that. She loves her kids doug is the one who fairly softspoken manner is the one who calls it repulsive down look, keep it common republicans like keep talking about childless cat, ladies keep talking, putting down step parents, keep talking about eating pets. Like this is so bad for them. There's just does not get them any votes. It doesn't get them support. It doesn't bring them closer. Sort of god, it doesn't do anything for them. And so you know, doug emhoff, bless his heart, just defends his wife as he should and says sorry, my wife actually is a mother and women don't need to be put in their place by the governor of arkansas or anyone else and that's how people feel. And i just i just can't believe that they keep going this. Go ahead. Yeah. Well, i mean, this just seems so out of character for the governor. I mean, she didn't say because she doesn't have kids, she could have said, you know, my job keeps me humble, but she chose her kids. Maybe she doesn't think there's anything there, so i think we definitely pouncing on the moment it just wasn't as specific as some other comments where maybe on that i think the bigger point here. So i mean, i agree these comments on truth become a systole trying to take away her woman who they consistently greece day. Let's rename i do was this was a joke that was specifically about kamala harris not bearing children herself. So we're putting a lot of work and all of your updating the audience and all these days that have passed i have not seen a single statements from sarah huckabee sanders and that's what yet, mother, we understand are stepmothers and the role they played in what would be great if she he would come out and say that, look, that's not what i was saying. What the point i was trying to make you know, she loves her family, she loves her children. Excellent. Obviously, that we all love and respect that but the bigger point is that she's not showing the humility to admit that she's done a terrible job for the last four years, that because of her policies that the economy is going down the drain the border anything right there. A moment because very nice i'm going to call it what it is. It's been going to call upon the moment that everyone's here saw has been replayed ad nauseum. I remember being a younger man when obama was running against mccain mccain's doing a town hall as soon as i say this or a bunch people are going to go my god, john mccain did this and john mccain did that. But this was a moment that i respect it from the other side and somebody tries to insult barack obama in a very direct way about who he is and mischaracterizes him in a very direct way. Mccain just goes, okay. We're not doing that. Yes. She said he's a muslim ban. We're not doing that. He's a good man. He's a family man. Very clear demonstration of what i won't do you're a political enemy of mine, but your humanity, who you are, and the fundamental things about you i am not here to put those it's into question. And when you talk about someone in their family and their children and their repulsive, we all love children. Children are a blessing to society. We should all like value, love them today would you, when you do that mean that about the case? how about that? would you do that? what you do is you incite people on the other side. You go, this is not something that we can deal with. We have to defeat people who talk. I just think that i politics it's bad politics, but there comments are saying is not to disagree humans with the vice president. But i respect her and from the interviews i've seen with her stepchildren, they are door the heck out of that woman if republicans want to make the difference, the vice president's flipflop on defunding funding, the police fracking, medicaid for all whatever. Let's make those arguments don't arguments to attack her because she hasn't hello and children that was good. There's a through line from that muzzle mentioned into today, and that is what is normal in america. That was a call out to something that's abnormal and that's what she's trying to play it. All right. 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Com if you are loved one have mesothelial, will send you a free book to answer questions you may have call now and we'll come to you 800 a31, 3,700 for the news nightcap. You each have 30 seconds to say your piece. Hillary your first was saying the donald trump has had a terrible, very bad, no good couple of weeks here, right? where i'm from the assassination two laura loomer to j. D. Vance to sarah sanders this is the time now before an election where parties need to get together, get on the ground, get your vote out early. Voting has started in some states. The super pac that he has given his blessing to to do his ground game has already fired the firm doing two states for weeks out. I mean, they are a mess whereas republican, the democrats actually have it together on this one. So if, if kamala harris wins, it is going to be because this ground game of this technical get out the vote has been affect something to watch for sure she'll look. I think we've talked a lot about young men. I think a lot of young hunger men are searching for some form of masculinity. I think my liberal democratic friends in some ways have attempted to change the idea of what manliness looks like. And we're seeing that in real time. We're seeing women's surpass men and academic attainment going to college at higher rates, graduated at higher rates. There was a sense of purpose listening among a lot of these young guys and they're searching for someone to sort of point them in the right direction. My fear is that the direction may not be the best direction for them. So someone needs to help redirect this move, it, move. Interesting, kristen? so i think democrats have a risk of making this another fight song year. It's, i'm 2016. They did the fight song. Hillary clinton democrats thought it was the best thing ever while american republicans were a little cringe on it. And it really was indicative of the fact that donald trump was speaking to america and clinton was speaking to hollywood and the liberals. And they think you see that now how and when democrats give her excited about taylor swift and writing press releases in her songs and like having oprah last night with zero content, but just feel good vibes. Vibes will not win the election for her. There's a reason why donald trump is still winning in these key states and it's because he knows how to talk to americans right where they are not what's on their tv. If he can get their vote out to be fair, a lot of people thought fight song was bad. Go ahead bill. I decided to take a break from politics. I real had enough politics than i was due this data newsletter comes out and saturdays. And i was looking at baseball has been a big week for baseball show. Shohei ohtani comes into this game last night and he said he 48 home runs and 48 steals and he begets are 49 steals. It gets to 51, 51. First one ever to do it. At the same time, the chicago white sox are on the brink of losing more games than anyone else has ever lost in history of april, i went and looked at it. Shohei ohtani for every home run he's hit the entire chicago white sox teams hit 2. 4 home runs. Every stolen base. Shohei ohtani has the white sox have only got one 0. 7 stolen bases. I think shohei ohtani could beat the white sox in a baseball game. I don't know what he just said go ahead i think we have to expand government. We need bigger government, and we need a special bureau for the freak enos and washington, we need a watchdog bureau wants everything that's going on. Yalla to freaky every single story in the last couple of years it's about freak nasty stuff going on, grow government, a new bureaucracy to hold everybody off. This is why we have the gridlock. Are you going to run it? i will run it