>> james ray was about five or ten feet away from kirby and james shore while they were actually conducting cpr on them. he just actually stood there. he was nowhere on our side of the tent. there's no way he was helping anybody. those are very false, very false statements. >> jeff -- >> he was nowhere, anywhere near any of us. >> jeff? >> these are huge issues for the criminal case, because was the doctor there because she just happened to be a guest or was -- was she an employee who was someone there to -- >> beverly, do you know the answer to that? was she an employee or was she actually taking part in the sweat lodge? >> she was just a participant. >> that is a big issue. also, the whole issue of his possible false statements because there is nothing prosecutors like better to show consciousness of guilt -- people lie about what went on. >> i want to read you a statement, jeff that he gave to new york magazine. he was asked, were you aware that some participants were vomiting or pass out or scream for help during the sweat lodge?
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