someone like anwr al awlaki, who's more dangerous? who do we actually need to go and find? is it al awlaki who has ties to the ft. od shooter, who at least was inspiring to the christmas day bomber -- sorry, to the times square bomber and had also had ties with the christmas day plane hijacker? >> well, there's no doubt about the fact that symbolically bin laden is still in a class by himself. but i do think you make an important point. over the years we have eliminated or incapacitated the operational leaders, and now, of course, we see replacement leaders coming up. taking out that level of leadership is a critical part of the strategy because they are the most experienced planners, they are the people who have schemes and train and launch the atcks.ke so while we'd all like to get bin laden, the fact is getting these operational leaders is a critical part of success. >> and al awlaki is on the internet.