flood of images of the man who may be innocent all over the world. this is a problem of today. i'm confident in the american justice, i'm confident in the decision which will be taken by the -- by the people of manhattan. but -- i'm not confident in this preemptive strike, preemptive punishment, decided by some newspapers or tabloid newspapers. same in france. problem is the same. what i'm telling you i say also to the french tv. >> look, it is always a pleasure to chat with you. bewhelm. we will continue this conversation and see where this takes us. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. up next, bernie madoff ran the biggest ponzi scheme ever. but never told a story of how he did it until now. just ahead, we talked to a writer who went behind bars with madoff.