officials acting and without the support of the saudi leadership. do you find that explanation credible? >> no, i don't. i find they're changing the story line all the time. they started with the complete denial. now we're hearing that it was an interrogation gone bad. but yet they had sent a team in ahead of time that included forensic individuals that could dismember a body. they haven't talked about where the body is and how it got out of the embassy. there is a lot of questions out there and their explanation does not appear to be one that is very believable. >> what's interesting is that even this story grants that the official saudi plan was to abduct khashoggi, a journalist, someone who lived here in the u.s. and is accused of no crime. yet, the president has repeated, in effect, this idea yesterday saying it appears it was a rogue operation. is that in itself a plan to abduct a saudi jury was duly