to win? they would have him in his pocket. and why were they so eager to accept election assistance. i think we see the broad contours of this collusion idea really coming into focus. i think the cries of no collusion are starting to ring emptier and emptier every time we learn more facts. >> and yet the president has all but taken a victory lap since these memos dropped. >> yeah. well, because ultimately what the president is doing is a two tear i goed strategy. one is a legal strategy where his lawyers are trying to do the best they can to ultimately shield him and present a legal defense. but the other piece of it is a public relations strategy both to undermine bob mueller and the investigation to claim that it is not credible because of the people who are conducting it, but also to essentially argue that there is nothing there. and if you repeat it enough times, he hopes, the public will look at whatever is ultimately