happy new year. >> happy new year, chris. thanks for having me on. >> i don't really get what's going on here, this shutdown. we had a family on tonight. i wanted people to see who's bearing the price of our bad politics. this isn't a two-day shutdown. i don't get how this works for the president. help me understand. >> it's a very difficult situation, but let's -- you know, everybody talks about a national emergency. let's talk about a national disgrace. it's called congress. they have had 40 years to fix the border. >> fair point. >> every president has promised they're going to fix it. >> fair point. >> this is a president when he came in office he was told north korea will never come to the table. he brought them to the table. they're actually denuclearizing. >> that is not true. >> well, they're starting the process. >> i don't even know what that means, but continue. >> he did it. criminal justice reform for 25 years since the '90s, he did it. veterans reform, he did it. jerusalem embassy, he moved. >> the veterans, he's got a long way to go on.