and we were very careful with the press, just to keep a low profile at the time, and -- >> martha: you believe this is an accidental death? >> exactly. and it's something that happened -- i don't think that the story that there's an accidental death that was -- >> martha: and not only are we supposed to believe that the baby was put in the trunk in the car. >> could be, but so far they didn't proved decomp in the car. i think it was saturday, they had somebody testify that it could have been breakage, it might be de comp, it might not, this is a science that's never been used in the criminal courts. martha: what did she do with the body if it wasn't in the trunk? >> what jose was she helped for help from her father and that's all he said so far. we don't have to say much more and unfortunately they haven't given another story and i'm a little surprised they haven't addressed it. martha: it's very interesting to have you here, a lot of people watching this case, thank you very much, good to be with you. >> thank you. martha: when one pennsylvania town took a hard line on businesses that employ illegal immigrants,