ways to save money. it cannot raise taxes by law, and it cannot, absolutely cannot ration care which is where you were kind of going with your argument, dr. siegel. and with all due respect here, i thought we all wanted to find ways to bring down costs of medicare, so i find it ironic that to have this board made of health care providers and consumers in place, i don't see how that's a bad thing, and it's insulated from those very things -- bribery -- that's the whole purpose of taking it out of congress. megyn: by law, it can't ration care. >> this is a rhetorical word. by my definition, you're rationing care if you can't order a test. because it's not popular by some board, that's ration ld care. and the more they put road blocks in front of the services i want to offer my patients, the more it's rationing care. meg but we have to cut medicare cost cans, that's how it's funded in part. they have to cut some -- >> megyn, i've said from the beginning, let's cut nonessential services. and what is a nonessential