we have just to find some sort of public policy. i'm not blaming democrats or republicans. as a society, what are we going to do? >> great point. if you look at the oregon shooter, the naval shipyard, the other shooter, they had voices. you watch that special on "60 minutes" when they talk about the fact we are dealing with our mentally ill and putting them in jail because it's no longer the right way to do to put them in institutions. so now they're in jail. so we have an inard nat amount of people in jail. because the health care system or whatever else doesn't allow them -- >> what about families? the father of her child, who was unfortunately in the car with her that day, has tried to get custody of the child and has been very concerned about her health and has voiced it. so you're wondering in these situations where the family members are. because i'll tell you, if my family thought i was unstable or thought i was taking medication and some guy -- at what point do