other you're changing everything at once you have no idea what the outcome is going to be and you get all of these unintended side effects. i think what you need first of all is modesty. and i think -- >> tucker: modesty? >> that's a commodity you can even relay purchase, and washington, but it is available in other parts of the world. monasteries, for example. where was i? okay, the first thing you do is to say you're going to go with this this piece by piece. the first one that is the biggest, lowest hanging fruit, that was not even touched by obamacare, scandalously, his reform. the medical malpractice is totally out of control. everybody in the system knows it. and it's not just of the outrageous judgments, it's not just the fact that some people get millions of dollars, others get nothing, and the people that get rich are lawyered, it's just that it causes doctors to practice defensive medicine. it was a survey done by the

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