we are talking about people who just want a better place to liv live. >> tucker: so you are saying that canada ought to be able to determine who comes in and who doesn't? should they be able to let impressive people in and nonimpressive people, like gang members and rapists, are you allowed to keep them out? >> there is a whole lot of room between impressive people who are brain surgeons and gang members. there are people who want to come and have a better life for themselves and for their children. so you have to look at, there is a certain number of, if you will, skilled immigrants that you want to attract. there are also a certain number of refugees that, for, if you will come up the good of the world. >> tucker: you can determine the mix as you like but canada gets to make that decision. you decide who comes in and who doesn't come in. >> absolutely. whether they are skilled laborers, skilled technicians or like i said, refugees looking