and being at some of these rallies for newt gingrich, not only in south carolina, but also in florida, these are folks in tattoos, they're chanting, usa, usa! >> and they're newt people. >> i think he's running the same argument against romney that he is against obama, which is to say that both of these folks are outside -- >> what's his solution to the fact? what's his populism about? newt's? >> i think his populism is about romney and obama are not one of us. they're not regular americans. they don't get the sort of experiences that newt gingrich frankly experienced when he was -- >> but doesn't newt. i don't want to argue the politics here, but doesn't newt support the same kind of tax breaks for the rich that romney does? >> he does, but i think the benefit to him is that romney embodies that tax bracket much more so that deny. >> what do the voters think's different between the two groups, jonathan? >> chris, there are no real substantiative differences. it's rhetorical. it's newt, who knows how to play the conservative base, like the