technology. it's hard to understand now how important television was in changing all kinds of attitudes. particularly as you say after brown in '54 and the follow-up decision in '55. it wasn't just the news coverage of selma in '65. it wasn't just the coverage of the march on washington in '63. so much of civil rights had to do with sports, had to do with jackie robinson, it had to do with music. and realizing having people who had seen somehow foreign to you coming into your house in a quote, unquote, safe way and becoming part of the wallpaper of your life. >> dick clark was kind of like the guy that said, well, kind of like mika with me on this show. he's with me. it's ok. let him in. >> yeah, yeah. >> all of these rock stars that seemed foreign to the middle class. we had america's teenager.