i look at o'donnell, she won. that guy mike lee beat bob bennett out in utah. you got -- knocked off a guy in indiana. they go around the country. they tend to win. >> but rove's candidates haven't been doing so well either. >> no. neither have nra candidates. neither have -- neither did adelson's candidates or koch candidates. >> i want two parties in this country where i can actually go into the election and decide who to vote for. >> you want the chris matthews party. >> i want a party where there is reason on both sides. not an echo, i want a choice. and that's why i think the old days republicans running people like eisenhower and reasonable people like that made a lot of sense. and wendell wilkie, guys like that. they were reasonable people. >> be this is a turning point in the republican party. >> lizz winstead, lauren, thank you for coming. when i return, thoughts about my aunt agnes, a wonderful and loving aunt, much looked up to. you're watching "hardball." ♪ ♪ if loving you is wrong