level. that line, that's just kind of everybody. it also happens in a particular moment. so if you look again at that population in 1980 to 2013 it's going along with some increase and crime is not associated with that. crime does not do that same thing. >> yeah, well what's happened is there was a high crime period. we saw the crime rate drop shs but it's continued to drop over the last decade but we have seen the prison population increase. the reason it comes back to the story we saw in the school system in atlanta. we have incentivized at every level putting people in prison. many politicians made their careers as district attorneys so they increase the number of people they have sentenced. police departments have a new metric for us. and we have turned our prisons over to for-profit institutions who are on the profit system of how many people they keep and