mormonism in the senate race. this is not fair play but it's a device used to try to get an advantage when you're down. ted kennedy was down. i think donald trump is panicking in iowa. maybe he should be panicking. >> it was joe kennedy who raised the issue for his uncle ted. you've i got the facts straight there. i remember everything. religion out or in, you can argue all you want, but it helps to be an evangelical or conservative catholic in iowa. we know that. pat robinson almost won out there, huckabee won there. santorum. people who can't win anywhere else win in iowa. perry? >> i think trump is talking about making the wrong case here. i don't think people are for carson because of the sort of tenets seven-day adventist. they want someone devout in