very outdated. i think if she wants to stay indoors and do her thing, she should. >> i remember -- >> i agree. i agree. >> i remember in 2004 howard dean was running in '04 and his wife wasn't even campaigning for a long time. he said, hey, she's got her own life, she's a doctor up there in vermont. there was so much pressure she had to come on the campaign trail. >> i have to respect what michelle obama says about her experience because it was her experience. i do feel that mrs. trump is being judged often by a very harsh standard. the jacket message notwithstanding. the president obviously tweeted about it, said what she's saying is she doesn't care what the media say about her. and there have been some pretty harsh and hostile things said about melania trump who i think i agree with you, nick, i think she is a gracious person who is doing her best in a very difficult fish bowl. >> roundtable staying with us. up next, these three will tell me something i don't know. you're watching "hardball."