the white house that the shutdown is happening. it's here for probably 48 hours or so. the question mark is what happens after that. >> what is the end game? you talked about steel slats. the president, as you know as well as i do, campaigned on a wall, this idea that now he's talking about steel slats has to be some acknowledgment by him that the majority of the country doesn't like a wall. doesn't actually want the wall, despite what sarah sanders may be saying on fox news or despite what the president may tweet out. is that an understanding that at some point he's going to need to capitulate one or the other. in every conversation i've had today about what's going on on capitol hill, the consensus has been that donald trump will have to fold at some point on something. >> it may be an acknowledgment of what he's hearing from people about the logistical impracticals of a huge concrete wall along the border. that's not realistic. it doesn't seem to be effective