a morejoined—up approach. how many people can you take at once? as many as you can fit in the door. we don't have a limit. and huge investment in specialist staff, maybe something like we are seeing here. we have been working with people who are often amongst the most marginalised in our communities, who come in broken and who leave healed. dame carol told the government they needed to spend £1 billion to change things. she got £780 million. not a bad result — the most money recovery services have seen in a generation. my question to you is how do you measure your success? if you get people into good treatment and good recovery programmes, we know from international research, murders go down, acquisitive crime