but it was a mafia kind of an organized crime shakedown. but i'm not surprised if the president wasn't attacking me about this, he'd be attacking me about something else. >> what's his mood like these days? how would you describe it? >> he's got some overwhelming responsibilities, and they are on his shoulders. but he is excellent at relieving that burden with his humor. look, he's got a goofy sense of humor that people don't -- >> goofy is not a word people would use about -- >> well, he loves funny movies. everybody knows that he can take you from the first word of the big lebowski to the final sacen of the big lebowski. >> i'm the dude. that's what you dacall me. >> are there any words from the dude that would apply to your life? >> i've been asked in the past. what line from the big lebowski comes up most in political life? and i have to say, it's the line, no, you're not wrong. you're just an [ bleep ] hole. >> there's gloria borger