saying you didn't do it. amazon saying maybe we didn't then but we're doing it now. but the ftc is still going hard for them. >> and what's interesting about this -- because people at home are thinking about how this happened and it might have happened to people watching -- the ftc has already gone after this, this issue of companies making easy money off of parents with apple. apple ended up having to provide $32.5 million in refunds. they had to make changes in their system, right, because i guess the way they'd had it was there was a 15-minute window to make purchases so kids could zip in after their parents and buy all sorts of things. and apple had to pay a lot of money. apple may be the one throwing o other people under the bus? >> the important thing here is what the politicians are saying. take for example senator fisher of nebraska whose written to the ftc basically saying stop this now. this is stifling innovation. mistakes were made.