number in the thousands in ukraine should leave the country. you know, we have also heard complaints, anger, from ukrainian officials about what they call the alarmism of the biden administration talking about the imminence of a russian attack. ukrainian officials have really down played the prospect of that. we will be hearing from the ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky alongside the french president at a press conference later and we're eager to hear what the presidents think of a russian invasion, john. >> alex marquardt in kyiv. keep us posted as these meetings continue this morning. joinings now is the host of the recount daily podcast and founder of good trouble productions. thank you so much for being with us. i think we're focussing a lot here on what joe biden said and whether this is really his red line to draw when it comes to the nord stream 2 pipeline. what do you think about what you're hearing? >> you know, the fact that we've seen biden and the white house be very forward in the past few