clear, he believes deeply this election was taken from him, and that's what he's telling his supporters and they're deciding that the only person they can believe was him, even though the evidence shows that they knew this was wrong, and so again, we go back to this question of how do we pull people out of this vortex that's been created and that is apparently still perhaps going to continue if in fact the former president decides he wants to run for office again. >> if i just may quickly add, i sent that "new york times" story to a former trump official, and i got a one word, three word response back, duh. >> that's my one word, three-letter response to that. dana bash, kasie hunt, thank you both very much. >> thank you. hawaii's lieutenant governor has a message for the federal government as his state faces a covid onslaught, and all of their hospitals are stretched thin. he's going to join us next with that necessary to the surgeon general.